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Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Bush Finally Admits Iraq is like Vietnam

Bush’s comments today to the Veterans of Foreign Wars association in Kansas City – that a rapid US withdrawal from Iraq would cause the same sort of bloodbath our withdrawal from Vietnam caused in 1975 – draws from the long-held belief among radical conservatives that America threw away a chance of victory in Vietnam by pulling out troops too early. For Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others who lived through (but, notably, did not fight in) Vietnam, America’s tragedy there was always a failure of nerve rather than a failure of wisdom.

But most Americans know the truth. Not only did we have no strategy once we got to Vietnam but we had no good reason to be in Vietnam in the first place. Tens of thousands of American lives and countless Vietnamese lives were lost because we wrongly assumed that communism in Southeast Asia was a contagion that would spread unless eradicated by force. Yet for the last four years we have heard the same words we heard from Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara forty years ago – that we are “winning” in Iraq, that we must “stay the course” there, that “leaving would be tantamount to defeat,” that “America’s credibility” is at stake, that a “pullout would be disastrous.” And today, seemingly without comprehending the close parallels between the bloodbath America caused by entering Vietnam more than four decades ago and the bloodbath he caused by entering Iraq, our president has the audacity to tell us that our withdrawal from Iraq would result in a bloodbath similar to that caused by our withdrawal from Vietnam. The apparent stupidity of this man -- or his assumption of the stupidity of the American people -- is unfathomable.

30 Comments:

Blogger gnarlytrombone said...

The apparent stupidity of this man -- or his assumption of the stupidity of the American people -- is unfathomable

I don't think it's either, Mr. Reich. The goal now isn't to achieve majority buy-in - which even the dimmest bulbs in the White House realize is impossible.

This is part of a "kick the can down the road" strategy: shore up the dead-ender demographic with Dolchstosslegende tropes long enough so that Bush doesn't get tagged with withdrawal.

Wednesday, 22 August, 2007  
Anonymous aly k said...

Yes he’s an idiot; yes he’s a liar; yes he’s a cheater; yes his actions are anti-constitutional; yes his decisions have been the ultimate cause of chaos; yes he believes Jesus talks to him; and yes, he’s the guy that about half the voting population elected (it says great things about your populations judgement).

And it seems that much of the voting population is loving your ex – Hilary. Would I vote for her? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm….

Out of all the candidates, I love Ron Paul. Unfortunately, the fact that the Austrian school isn’t going to work at this juncture (a successful transition to even a minimal state would take a few hundred years, not to mention the presence of social conditions that have never prevailed in humanity’s history), and the fact that he won’t win in a million years regardless, would dissuade me from voting his way.

I like Mike Gravel’s I-don’t-give-a-fuc$-attitude; I admire some of his unconventional comments, but something about his attitude scares the shit out of me.

Obama? You gotta love it when he responds to “inexperience”-accusations by saying something like “nobody had more experience than Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld”. I’d take him over Hilary any day. But because I don’t matter, and the American voting population does, it’ll be your ex-gf who wins the democratic nomination. Left to be seen is whether she’ll be able to claim the ultimate Presidency. If that happens, 4 years of Bush Sr, 8 years of Bill, 8 years of Bush Idiot, 4-8 years of Hilary. That’s 24-28 years within two families. I love democracy!

Thursday, 23 August, 2007  
Blogger Lucky Buck said...

The American people made a convincing case for their stupidity and ignorance when they handed W a second term.

Thursday, 23 August, 2007  
Blogger SJH said...

I actually found the eloquence of that last sentence particularly appropriate. The previous commenter´s explanation of the "kick the can down the road" strategy is clearly in play. But, the sheer stupidity of the man to think that it will work, that his "legacy" won´t be tarnished, is shocking.

Case in point, Johnson is still blamed for Vietnam´s failure, even though Nixon tucked tail and ran. The person who inherets the war, never takes the blame.

Thursday, 23 August, 2007  
Blogger P M Prescott said...

The Grand Old Hypocrites always have to have a "boogie man" or "Bloody Flag" to beat the Democrats over the head with. Dems were soft responsible for slavery and the Civil War -- it worked for close to fifty years. Then the Dems were soft on Communism, now if a Dem are soft on Terrorism. They've always been a one trick pony, but somehow the voting public keeps buying their bullshit.

Thursday, 23 August, 2007  
Anonymous Betsy L. Angert said...

Dear Secretary Reich . . .

For me, the operative phrase in your missive is "most Americans know the truth." I fear as I did in September 2001, many trust President Bush. They think him persuasive, powerful, and our protector. This last weekend I felt the effects of how compelling President Bush is. People support his surge. They swear at those that stand on a corner in support of peace.

Please review my personal story. Share your experiences.
Achieving Peace In A World Built On Defense
http://bethink.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=599

I have never thought George W. Bush stup**. I think he is sly beyond belief. The majority of the American people are products of a society that markets every person, place, or entity. Citizens in this country are consumers; they purchase policies, politicians, and apparently speeches. Did you hear the applause in the audience? I suspect the Veterans of Foreign Wars bought the Bush message.

In my mind, Mister Bush made a glorious argument for the futility of war. They never end. One combat leads to the next, then the next . . . The President cited more than half a century of conflicts. George W. Bush stated, "history does remind us that there are lessons applicable to our time." Indeed, it does. Perhaps, he might have realized that years ago. We never needed to enter Iraq.

I too thought to pen my thoughts on the President's rewrite of history. I discuss how views of the past and the present vary. Even a single "author," such as George W. Bush does not agree with his earlier statements. I wonder which accounts might we chose.
I invite your thoughts on . . .
Bush Invokes Vietnam Analogy; Insists On Victory In Iraq
http://bethink.org/showDiary.do?diaryId=602

Betsy L. Angert
BeThink.org
http://www.bethink.org

Thursday, 23 August, 2007  
Anonymous gerry rosser said...

As a Viet Nam veteran, I agree with what you expressed.

Question: If the "Iraquis" decide to have a blood bath after we leave (and we will leave), how is that my/our fault?

Friday, 24 August, 2007  
Blogger Forty_Two said...

Yes, but the humidity is much lower.

Saturday, 25 August, 2007  
Blogger Machiavelli said...

so, was Bush's argument that we should still be fighting in Vietnam? When were we supposed to leave?

Saturday, 25 August, 2007  
Blogger Machiavelli said...

even if it is our "fault", it doesn't mean we can fix it. Maybe trying to "fix" it will only make the situation worse.

How many more Americans have to die before we realize that there is no easy solution; that we're not going to be able to fix it. We may be hegemonic, but we're not omnipotent.

Saturday, 25 August, 2007  
Blogger Machiavelli said...

I also think it's interesting that Bush is blaming 'softy' liberals on our withdrawal from Vietnam when he and his best friends like Cheney didn't contribute anything to the effort.

Bush is a spoiled child, wanting everything he wants without any sacrifices.

Saturday, 25 August, 2007  
Blogger Machiavelli said...

We can't allow Bush to get away with this rewriting of history.

Imagine if 20 years from now, a conservative president blames the American people for not having enough resolve to stay in Iraq. What about the other questions: what the hell were we doing in Vietnam and what the hell were [are] we doing in Iraq?

Saturday, 25 August, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on Robert. Stupid is what stupid does.

Sunday, 26 August, 2007  
Blogger Stuart Levine said...

I have to call a (small) foul here. Rumsfeld did serve in the military, as a Naval aviator and flight instructor from 1954-57. He was elected to Congress, at age 30, in 1962. Under the circumstances, it cannot be credibly argued that he avoided service in the way that Bush and Cheney did.

Monday, 27 August, 2007  
Blogger Charles Rey said...

Aly k,

GW publicly claims that "god" speaks to him. The question is which god?

You are bang on with respect to the U.S. being a semi-monarchy. However, you are more optimistic than I am. You assume that the U.S. will have an election in 2008.

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Trouncing civilians back in ´Nam,
Napalm and strafing, fire and bomb,
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Yet they survived superlative
(Except for all the many dead
But don´t let that go to your head).

Today in economics they
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It is too great for to forgive.

(This in despite--nor let us thus
Minimize horror as it was,
Horror and trauma--in despite
Of repercussion as nor quite
Have rectified, resolved: the curse
Of consequences bad to worse.)

Forgiving and forgetting so
They move ahead and forward go--
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There finishes: Iraq will spell
A vengeance cry of long duration
Against the perpetrating nation.

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