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Sunday, January 13, 2008

Democrats Should Stop Squabbling Over Healthcare Mandates

Democrats should be celebrating. Their three major candidates have put health insurance front and center on the domestic agenda, and with plans that are remarkably similar. They've done so at a time when the public seems readier than ever before to embrace universal health insurance, and readier to trust a Democratic president to put it into effect.

But instead of celebrating, the candidates and left-leaning pundits are squabbling over whether the plans should include so-called mandates that require everyone to purchase health insurance. Talk about self-inflicted wounds. Mandates are a sideshow, and fighting over them risks turning away voters from the main event.

In almost every important respect, all major Democratic plans are the same. They require employers to "play or pay" -- either provide coverage to their employees or contribute to the cost of coverage. They create purchasing pools that will offer insurance to anyone who doesn't get it from an employer. They offer a public heath-insurance option. The plans preserve freedom of choice of doctors. They aim to save money through more preventive care, better management of chronic disease, and standardized information technology. All of them subsidize lower-income families.

Despite some skirmishing over whose subsidies are most generous, the subsidies are about the same. The major Democratic plans would spend nearly an identical amount of money helping low- and middle-income families because they rely on the same source of general revenue, derived from allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. Given the myriad ways universal health insurance might otherwise be organized -- single payer, employer mandate, health-insurance vouchers, tax credits -- this Democratic consensus is striking. It also highlights the abject failure of Republicans to come up with any coherent plan.

Take a closer look and even the candidates' positions on mandates aren't all that different. John Edwards has proposed to automatically enroll people in health insurance on their tax returns, but has said this mandate won't apply until premiums are affordable. Hillary Clinton says she favors mandates, but isn't sure there should be a penalty for noncompliance. Barack Obama favors an immediate mandate for children, but doesn't include one for adults. He says he's willing to revisit the issue after making health insurance more affordable and enrollment easier, and is also considering an automatic enrollment with an opt-out for those who don't want to be included.

As a practical matter, the difference between Sen. Clinton's and Sen. Obama's approaches come down to timing and sequencing. Mrs. Clinton wants a mandate first, believing that enrolling the younger and healthier will help reduce costs for everyone else. Mr. Obama thinks forcing people to buy health insurance before it's affordable isn't realistic. He wants to lower health costs first, and is willing to consider a mandate only if necessary.

This fight is little more than a distraction, given that a mandate would matter only to a tiny portion of Americans. All major Democratic candidates and virtually all experts agree that the combination of purchasing pools, subsidies, easy enrollment and mandatory coverage of children will cover a large majority of those who currently lack insurance -- even without a mandate that adults purchase it. A big chunk of the remainder are undocumented immigrants, who aren't covered by any of the plans.

Who's left? Only around 3% of the population. So the question they're really battling over is whether it's better to require this 3% to buy insurance, or lure them into buying it with low rates and subsidies.

The answer depends on who's in this 3%. Mrs. Clinton thinks they're mostly younger and healthier than the general population so they should be required to buy health insurance. That way, they'll bring costs down for everyone else because their payments will subsidize the others.

Mr. Obama thinks a lot of them are people who won't be able to afford even the subsidized premiums, so they'd either ignore a mandate or wouldn't be able to pay for it. He says if his plan gets 97% coverage without a mandate and he finds that the remaining 3% are mostly young and healthy, he'll go along with a mandate.

Who's correct? It's hard to know. So far, the Massachusetts experiment suggests Mr. Obama. Massachusetts is the only state to require that every resident purchase health insurance. The penalty for failing to do so could reach $4,000 next year, but the state has already exempted almost 20% of its current uninsured from the requirement. Massachusetts is concerned they can't afford a policy, even with subsidies similar to those in all the Democratic plans. So far, about 50% of Massachusetts's uninsured have complied with the mandate.

A mandate may not make much difference anyway. Columbia University professor Sherry Glied and her colleagues investigated health-insurance mandates now in place in Switzerland and the Netherlands. They report in the November-December issue of Health Affairs that mandates can, but don't always, increase coverage. Whether they do depends on the cost of complying with them and the penalties for not doing so. Overall, they found, the effects of mandates largely reinforced existing high levels of coverage. Switzerland now enjoys near-universal coverage, but this reflects only a tiny increase over the rate of coverage before it was mandated, when over 98% of population had mostly voluntary coverage.

It's expected that gloves will come off in the last months of a primary campaign. But by warring over mandates, Democrats are leading with their chins. It's the least important aspect of what they're offering. It's also, to many Americans, the least attractive because it conjures up a big government bullying people into doing what they'd rather not do.

The public is ready for universal health insurance, but getting any plan through Congress will still be tricky. To get it enacted after January 2009, Democrats need to start building a movement in support of the big and important reforms universal health insurance requires -- and on which they happen to agree.

38 Comments:

Blogger <a href="mailto:lightning_period_firefly@gmail.com">lightning</a> said...

The *debate* is about insurance. The *problem* is health care.

Idea -- simply issue every American with an "insurance policy". This would mean that everybody could file a "claim" by filling out incomprehensible paperwork and sending it to an "insurance company". After a couple of months, the "company" would send back a form letter rejecting the "claim".

Just like real insurance! And the cost would be near zero.

Insurance isn't the answer. Insurance is part of the problem.

9:09 AM  
Blogger The Real Sporer said...

Perhaps the proponents of universal health insurance could provide the example of which existing or historic federal iniative of a similar sociological and economic nature that produced real success.

But why wed your schemes to reality when fancy sounds so much better on television, eh?

9:24 AM  
Blogger Ann O. said...

Thank you for acknowledging John Edwards is in the race. You'd hardly know it from mainstream media since the New Hampshire primary.

10:34 AM  
Anonymous kayxyz said...

With globalization and Walmartization of everything, health care costs should be dropping like a rock. Even the Harvard Business Review ran an article during the past several years that in South Africa, Mercedes finds it cheaper to build their automobiles by using human labor than by turning on the electricity to use assembly lines; it's helpful to have a publication based in the United States give us the perspective on labor costs dropping like a rock. Duke University Med School is opening a medical school adjunct in China, and they helped set up one in Saudi Arabia so, again, health care costs should come down.

Let's give the lowest cost insurance rates to people who weigh their correct weight. Include non-smokers and let Big Tobacco help tobacco farmers switch to raising grapes for red wine, which has cardioprotective properties.

Intuitive Surgical is at the top of the health care sector for stocks. They make surgery robots; it helps to know how fast we can move the surgeon from the next room to the Indian subcontinent, if at all possible.

People who exercise regularly get to phone in their resting and exercising pulse rate to their...pick someone-physician, insurance clearing house, to get insurance reductions...I attended the American Medical Writers Association conference this past October where two medical education deans and everyone else talked about Michale Moore's movie, "Sicko" and about having entering medical students participate, along with their faculty, in a 5K run during the first week of medical school, to shift their emphasis to maintaining a healthy lifestyle and away from disease treatment.

Do away with K street lobbyists, an invention of Republican Rick Santorum and who knows who else, or so I hear. Health care profits from satisfied consumers-yes. Get the K street lobbyests and middle men out of the way. Let them all retrain to become registered nurses and anesthetists as dimwit US Labor Secretary Elaine Chao advises for anyone who is seeking to re-train in order to stay employed.

If we need improved health care education, so be it. Let's find out what the Montessori teaching method has to offer, in its purest form.

Give us the fee schedule and salaries of all physicians trained in India. If it helps to have the eBay of medical physicians listed, then let's consider the ads/disadvantages for finding the lowest cost for procedures.

Once Pandora's box of globalization and offshoring is opened, nothing goes back in the same way.

11:08 AM  
Blogger Will Shetterly said...

Real sporer, the list of countries with simpler, better, cheaper, and more efficient health care than the US is long. Nearly all of them use some form of single payer.

You could start by watching Michael Moore's Sicko. I can't speak for every part of it, but I have family in Canada and friends in France. The parts about those nations is accurate.

2:33 PM  
Blogger Health Care Worker said...

The "mandate" proposal is a typical autocratic solution. Along with being a dumb idea, it fits like a glove the Right's critique of Washington Democrats stomping on individual rights.

Health reform should be about getting folks reliable healthcare - not forcing them to buy an insurance plan.

If it's intended to bribe the big insurance companies into going along with reform it won't work either (Hillary tried to play ball with them in the 90s and look what happend to her).

For any Left Pundits out there, instead of championing mandates, have the guts to lay into the bad guys - Corporate Medicine in all its forms. Write about healthcare debt being the #1 cause of bankruptcy in America.

Maybe in the end all we'll get is the watered-down reforms being proposed, but if the Left doesn't make an honest critique and rally folks for deep, real changes, we won't even get the watered down version.

Besides sucking up billions of dollars and bribing politicians, what do insurance companies actually do? Let's go after the bastards.

9:53 PM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

the real sporer:

Try Medicare?

Why is it that you zealots of American ingenuity fail to envision that we could take a system similar to Canada's or Europe's or Japan's and make it work better here?

If you remove the blinders and think outside the capitalism box we might be able to use a collective creativity to fix a very broken system.

7:54 AM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Dr. Reich:

Though some sense in your argument; the need for universal health care is probably greater than the individual elements, you do seem to beg the question that those who don't sign on will still have at least catastrophic coverage on the backs of the rest of us.

Clearly, most of those who recoil, not only from mandates but from the whole idea a government directed program, likely enjoy good health and many probably follow good life habits enhancing the probablity of continued good health. What they fail to envision, optimism springs eternal, even if hope does not, is that catstrophic health issues can appear from nowhere even for the apparently healthiest among us.

8:10 AM  
Blogger notsofast said...

Robert said...
"Democrats are leading with their chins".

Well-said. In a much broader context, they'll surely self-destruct as they often do. It will begin by nominating Hillary. Obama only has a roughly 40% chance for the nomination. His best hope was the momentum he was riding after Iowa. I don't see how he regains that. The dems with their super-delegates are rigged in favor of choosing an establishment favorite. Super-delegates represent nearly 40% of the total needed to get the nomination. Guess who is strongly favored among these supers? Some democracy.

Obama may have to resort to the crying routine. hahaha We've become a culture of public crying to garner sympathy. Turn on the t.v. and you'll see some celebrity or politician bring out the crocodile tears. I can't wait to see Rudy and Fred Thompson balling like a 2 year old.

Here's one for you fossils:gm
lol

9:24 AM  
Anonymous Nancy Joy said...

My crappy HSA says I only have to pay $700 of an $1800 CT Scan bill. This means those 48 million UNinsured -- those who can least afford it -- get billed the whole $1800.

LightningFirefly has it right: health insurance isn't the answer. The answer is affordable health CARE for all.

3:27 PM  
Blogger Michael O'Shaugnessy said...

I experienced the Joy of Universal Healthcare as a United States Navy sailor. After I suffered needlessly for over a year, struggling to even get to a doctor, I was the victim of disfiguring surgery. What Universal Healthcare means is that when you go to the doctor for a sprained ankle, the doctor is going to ask you if you were drinking when it happened (so you can be charged with a crime) or if your spouse abused you (so he can be charged with a crime) or if you have any hobbies that might have caused it (in case your hobby is a prohibited activity - and if it isn't so your hobby can be banned).

3:36 PM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

nancy joy:

That is a crappy HSA. My private insurance, through my employer, paid for my entire CT Scan bill, in fact, for 2 of them on the same day.

The primary argument for mandates in a universal plan is to help achieve affordable health care for all.

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8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of the front running Democratic presidential candidates have caved to the insurance lobby. Health insurance is not universal health care. Only Kucinich has the courage to stand for what the American people need.

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11:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could you please publish this analysis prominently? Around here, Clinton campaign is literally saying (and writing) that Obama has surrounded himself with right-wing economists and that he is out to destroy health care reform and social security.

12:26 PM  
Blogger notsofast said...

Huckabee's call to the Rebs just fell short bi haha

If McCain gets the nomination and Hillary wins dems the gop looks good in the electoral college. Better nominate Obama if you want to win in Nov.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert,

with all due respect, i hold you responsible for the lack of universal coverage.

You have invited the poor and illiterate of the world to the USA. They don't pay enough in taxes to cover the cost of educating their children and giving them medical care in the hospitals.

20 million illegals are here in the USA and all you can do is cheer for more.

A true progressive position would be to discourage illegals from coming to the USA. With no illegals to pay for, we as a nation could afford the Kucinich plan.

The nations that have progressive, caring societies do not have the level of unskilled immigration that you have brought to the USA

Robert i would encourage you to look at Denmark, where lavish social spending coexists with draconian laws against the immigration of the unskilled.

As a progressive, i also hold pro immigration progressives like you responsible for the high incarceration rate among african americans. numerous studies have shown that immigration creates competition for black men in the labor force, pushes them in to crime, and the result is they wind up in prison.

I predict that within a few years progressives like you that support unskilled immigration will be held in the same contempt by the progressive community as the progressives that supported the invasion of iraq.


http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

12:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Main News; Metro Desk
The State; COLUMN ONE; 6 + 4 = 1 Tenuous Existence; An illegal immigrant couple with six children were already living in poverty. Then the quadruplets arrived. They're still in a daze.
Sam Quinones
Times Staff Writer
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28 July 2006
Los Angeles Times
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Copyright 2006 The Los Angeles Times

With two teenage daughters at home and triplets still in diapers, Angela Magdaleno's family overflowed from a one-bedroom apartment in South Los Angeles that they strained to afford.

Diapers had to be changed 15 times a day, feedings held every three hours. One triplet, 3-year-old Alfredo Jr., needed special attention because he was born with liquid on his brain and partially paralyzed.

Even simple events -- like going to the store -- required complex orchestration.

And that was before the quadruplets arrived.

On July 6, Magdaleno gave birth to two boys and two girls, drawing national media attention as a bewildered mother of 10 (with nine living at home). Now, she and her husband, Alfredo Anzaldo, 44, must figure out how to provide for everyone on Anzaldo's maximum pay of $400 a week as a carpet installer.

As cameras flashed two weeks ago, capturing the 40-year-old mother with her newest progeny, she appeared dazed, even morose. They'd have to leave their $600-a-month apartment for something bigger. They'd have to buy a minivan with room for four more car seats.

"I was afraid," she said. "I still feel like I can't believe it."

U.S. immigrants' stories often are about reinvention and newfound prosperity, about leaving behind poverty and limitations.

But that is not Magdaleno's story.

Both Magdaleno and Anzaldo are illegal immigrants, settled for years in an immigrant enclave. Magdaleno has the same number of children as her parents, who were peasant farmers in Mexico. Like her parents, she is living in poverty and struggling to provide for her family.

"It's not sweet," said her 36-year-old sister, Alejandra. "It's very sad. The life for girls back there in Mexico is the same as the one Angela has now. They marry and have children, and that's their lives."

Neither Magdaleno nor her husband speaks English, though she has been in the United States 22 years and he 28. Even her teenage daughters speak mostly Spanish; their English vocabulary is limited.

Yet all of Magdaleno's 10 children are U.S. citizens. The triplets receive subsidized school lunches. All the youngsters have had their healthcare bills covered by Medi-Cal, the state and federal healthcare program for the poor.

Alfredo Jr. had been hospitalized all his life until recently. He's had three state-funded brain operations and will require several more, the family said. The couple receive $700 in monthly Social Security payments to help with his medical needs.

"I thank this country that they gave me Medi-Cal," Magdaleno said. "There's nothing like that in Mexico."

Magdaleno's existence contrasts sharply with that of her younger siblings, who followed her to Los Angeles but then left. They have settled in Lexington, Ky., had no more than two children each and built better lives than they had known before. Four bought houses. Their children speak English fluently.

Magdaleno's sisters struggle in vain to understand her. "She still thinks like people in Mexico -- that's what I think," said her 38-year-old sister, Justina. "You have to think first of your living children instead of thinking of having more."

Magdaleno struggles to explain. She said she was wearing a birth-control patch to keep from getting pregnant, then took it off when it made her nauseated.

"I didn't want any more children," said Magdaleno, who used fertility drugs to conceive the triplets but said she did not use them in the case of the quadruplets.

"Four is too many. I'm still trying to believe this happened to me."

*

Angela Magdaleno's story began as many Mexican immigrant stories do: in a village where work was scarce and wages were low.

She grew up in Los Positos, in the central Mexican state of Jalisco, the eldest of 10. For girls, life consisted of hard work, little schooling, no birth control and thus, said Alejandra, raising "all the children God gives you."

Angela and Justina left school at fifth grade to work in fields and tortilla shops to help support their family.

In 1984, hoping to make more money to send home, the girls were the first Magdalenos to cross illegally into the United States. Angela was 19. The sisters found work in sewing factories, and apartments in the growing Latino immigrant communities of South Los Angeles.

Over the years, their eight siblings followed them.

Angela married, had two daughters, then divorced.

In 1990, she met Anzaldo, an immigrant from the state of Nayarit, Mexico, who had three daughters from relationships with two women -- one in the U.S. and one in Mexico. Anzaldo was working in auto shops.

The couple married in 1992 and had a daughter together.

Magdaleno then had a tubal ligation. She thought she was done having children. But a few years later, things changed.

Anzaldo had only daughters, and the couple were getting older. He saw his chance at having a son slipping away.

"I wanted a son," he said, "because I didn't have one."

Magdaleno too had always wanted a boy. Anzaldo paid for an operation to reverse Magdaleno's tubal ligation. The couple thought they might return to Mexico after the child was born.

But for several years, she didn't get pregnant, Magdaleno said.

So she asked a woman who returned periodically to Mexico to bring her back fertility drugs. The woman supplied her with various pills and injections over several years, Magdaleno said.

"I took a lot," she said. "I don't remember what they're called."

Finally, in 2002, Magdaleno got pregnant -- with triplets.

Talk of returning to Mexico ceased when their son, Alfredo, was born with hydrocephalus.

Their life became cramped and chaotic, with seven people crammed into their one-bedroom apartment.

Joanna, Magdaleno's oldest daughter, now 20, dropped out of high school and moved out with a boyfriend about the time Magdaleno became pregnant with the triplets. She now works in a factory making dolls for Disneyland, her mother said.

As Angela was having children, her siblings were undergoing a transformation of a different kind. They were slowly leaving Los Angeles.

Her sister Alejandra was the first to leave. In Los Angeles, she and her husband were barely able to make ends meet. As in Mexico, "there was little work and it's poorly paid," she said.

Eight years ago, she and her family moved to Kentucky, where a friend said there was more work and were fewer Mexican immigrants bidding down the wages for unskilled jobs.

In Kentucky, Alejandra picked tobacco. The work was hard and she didn't know the language. But soon, life improved. Over the years, she invited her siblings to join her. One sister married a man who managed a Golden Corral, a chain of all-you-can-eat buffets. Soon several Magdaleno siblings were working in Golden Corrals. Their husbands found work installing windows and as farm-labor contractors. They went to night school to learn English because few people in Lexington speak Spanish.

Today, the Magdalenos in Lexington earn more than they did in Los Angeles, in a city where the cost of living is lower. Kentucky is now their promised land, and they talk about California the way they used to talk about Mexico.

"What we weren't able to do in many years in California," Alejandra said, "we've done quickly here.

"We're in a state where there's nothing but Americans. The police control the streets. It's clean, no gangs. California now resembles Mexico -- everyone thinks like in Mexico. California's broken."

Justina was the last to leave Los Angeles, about the time Angela was pregnant with the triplets.

She and her husband wanted better schools for their sons, 15 and 9.

In Lexington, she said, "at the school there are just people who speak English. It's helped my children a lot."

Justina, who came to the U.S. with Magdaleno, applied for legal residency under the 1986 amnesty law and is now a U.S. citizen. Magdaleno never applied.

The sisters say they have urged Angela to come out to Kentucky -- at least to visit. She said she hasn't because her son has been hospitalized so much.

Last year, however, she sent her daughter, Kelly, 17, to Kentucky for several months. Though American born and raised, Kelly hadn't been outside South Los Angeles.

In Lexington, school was hard because few people spoke Spanish, and the city "barely had one Spanish radio station," Kelly said.

Her cousins, she said in English, "use more educational words than here. My cousin is 7 years old, and he has a better reading level than me. He don't see picture books or drawings or anything like that. He just likes books with pure letters."

Girls from Mexican-immigrant families in Kentucky, she saw, were in their mid-20s and still didn't have children.

"I said, 'Damn, that's weird,' " Kelly said. "The girls right here in Los Angeles are like in Mexico. There are girls that are 14, they got kids."

The family in Kentucky "is more in the United States than" her mother, Kelly concluded. "They want a better education for the kids. With less kids there's better possibility of you having something."

Magdaleno, meanwhile, was raising six other children and using a variety of birth control methods -- the latest being the contraceptive patch.

She said she was stunned when doctors told her that she was carrying quadruplets.

"She didn't do this on purpose," said Dr. Kathryn Shaw, who delivered the couple's triplets and their quadruplets. "She was not at all elated, and not excited about the fact that they were quadruplets."

All are healthy, Shaw said, but weighed between 3 and 4 pounds at birth. They remained at White Memorial Medical Center in East Los Angeles long enough to gain weight, then came home this week.

Now Denise, Destiny, Andrew and Andrey are with the rest of the family.

For Angela Magdaleno, their arrival -- 22 years after she left Mexico and entered the United States hoping for a different life -- has brought her full circle. Her older daughters, like girls in Mexico, have been drafted into helping raise the new children.

"I don't have anything," she said. "Just children."

_____

Thank you, Robert, for cheering this on. Is it any wonder that we progressives have such an uphill battle fighting for single payer health care when most voters know how much of the spending will go to illegal immigrants ?

Your immigration policies only make it harder for us to get the single payer care that we as a nation deserve

12:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the republicans pass out this article, will we be able to win the votes needed for single payer healthcare?

or will we be swiftboated again?

I can't help but think that with the following quote floating around our job will be much harder - perhaps this will be a more powerful club against us than anything they threw at us the last time

"I thank this country that they gave me Medi-Cal," Magdaleno said. "There's nothing like that in Mexico."

10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert

can you respond to the person in the previous post.

Is it realistic to think we can get voters in the heartland to support single payer healthcare when the republicans pass out articles like this one

9:18 AM  
Blogger Professor Smartass said...

What's missing from their plans is a frontal attack on the price-gouging of insurance companies and withholding of services that people thought they paid for.

That is the fundamental problem with for-profit healthcare.

By definition, profit means charging people as much as possible and giving them as little as possible in return.

I respect Mr. Reich on many issues.

In this case, the only solution is to either neuter the health insurance industry by forcing them to go non-profit and be tightly regulated, or do away with them altogether.

Frankly, if a doctor was letting patients die to fill his pockets with money, we would not be discussing how to give him another chance, but whether he deserves life in prison or the death penalty.

That is closer to the debate we should be having--is the health insurance industry a sociopath that can be harnessed for the public good, or is it such a menace that it must be put down like a rabid dog?

3:12 PM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

professor smartass:

Blue Cross of North Carolina is a non profit healthcare provider. They pay their executives 6 figure salaries and practice many of the same shenanigans you mention.

I fear that government financed, universal health care is the only realistic answer.

9:47 AM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous 9:18:

It is the conservative universality of instance propaganda. It's the same idea implicit in Reagan's, Welfare queens and Cadillacs argument. If one person, in a decidedly negative group, holds this idea, then it follows that all in that group must hold the same idea.

9:57 AM  
Blogger Denis Drew said...

I still believe that mandates have the potential to scare off popular support even more than Hillary's 1994 promise to take away people's health care and replace it with an unknown did. Right or wrong, nothing is as popular as Medicare for all -- it eliminates the profits and paperwork costs -- what's the problem?

Why is everybody so afraid of (everyone loves to hate) insurance industry opposition; which industry wont even be around long gets Medicare for all is adopted? Insurance oppo is the only rationale I ever hear offered for our reps not going with Medicare for all.

Remember, $40,000/yr is more like the REAL (just above) poverty line for a family of four (not the official line based on three times the price of an emergency diet) and $55,000/yr is roughly median family income these days. Most families are not far from poverty while med insurance climbs and climbs. (Obama is oh so right in saying that policies with $10,000 deductibles are home insurance, not health insurance.) Forcing growing premiums down the throats of many families with shrinking income is flirting with disaster in many cases -- and could impose disaster in may hanging by a thread families.

So-called subsidies tend to be set by proportion of the in REALITY 50% discounted fed poverty line. I really believe our academic liberals have much trouble envisioning the existences of anyone below 50 percentile income (why you almost never hear Dem candidates so much as mention the average Americans' most desperate economic need, massive re-unionization -- , nor criticism of a ridiculous minimum wage raise that will end up lower than 1956's in REAL buying power) -- and here we go again.

12:36 PM  
Blogger Denis Drew said...

Imagine a future in which families are mandated to buy a health plan with a $10,000 deductible (the cheapest legal option?) -- okay, they obeyed the law -- but now they end in the emergency room MORE OFTEN because they have even LESS money left over for family doctor visits.

Again and again: Medicare for all ought to be the easiest program in the world to sell: Medicare is the plan most folks happily look forward to relying on when they are older and perhaps much more in need of even critical care -- why in the world should they hesitate to rely on it now while they are young and usually healthy?

12:37 PM  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

denis drew:

The vast majority of the American public either has or wants health insurance. Those who don't desire coverage are gambling and they are gambling with your money and mine.

40 years old and living a reasonably healthy life, saving scads by not buying health insurance.
Bam!!! A heart attack!!
The emergency room is the only option and immediately.
X days in intensive care, another few days or a week or more in a standard hospital room.
Daily visits by doctors, medications are prescribed.

He walks out of the hospital after a week or two with a bill far exceeding $10,000. All of the sudden those insurance premiums look paltry.

Nevermind; don't pay the bill; the hospital will hound him, they will threaten him, they will talk collection agencies and lawyers; but because he has a wife and two kids who would suffer dire consequences should the hospital pursue the ultimate solution; they will settle.

Whew! Maybe opting out of insurance was a smart move after all. Yea, he's got some hefty monthly payments for awhile but he doesn't have those insurance premiums to pay and he got out for half the price. "We don't need no stinking insurance coverage".

Meanwhile the hospital reviewing their settled claims and budgeting for next years charges realize that they will have to increase room charges and nursing services and medication charges and lab services and x-ray services and CAT scans and on and on.

What do I care? I've got coverage. I know my deductibles and my co-pays so the insurance company will just have to pick up those increases.

Oh crap!! The insurance company, worried about this year's profits, not being inclined to eat the loses and wait until next year, increases premiums. To be safe, and ensure profits and executive bonuses, they also raise deductibles and copays and everything is in equalibrium again.

You and I suffer with our increased cost of insurance but we'll get by. A couple less visits to McDonald's with the family per month, steak dinners at home only twice a month instead of three or four times and we're back in balance.

Meanwhile our heart attack victim has suffered these same kinds of cutbacks and more but he is offsetting some of that with those saved insurance premiums and he negotiated a settlement with the hospital that saved him thousands. What, him worry?

This is why mandates are necessary to maintain or lower insurance costs. Many others out there who opted out of insurance will not have heart attacks or aneurisms or cancer or gall bladder surgery and they will save thousands in premiums every year and won't cost you and I anything. Until!

Medicare for all is viable and quite likely. If we go that route it will no doubt be mandatory for all. To cover every American, premiums will go up, significantly, but hopefully will end up cheaper than private insurance.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Republicans and others want to keep their for-profit insurance, let them, but rather than extending Medicare to all (my brother the doctor thinks that Medicare is a micro-managed nightmare, even though he hates the current system), let's set up a true public health system like Britain's NHS, only without the damaging "enhancements" that Margaret Thatcher imposed on it.

Cut way, way back on the military budget (most of which is pure pork and obsolete, purposeless pork at that) and make up the rest with a small income tax surcharge (no more than 5% of adjusted gross income [not net income] per household for the most wealthy) OR with co-pays on a sliding scale, ranging from nothing for the working poor to 10% of actual costs for the most affluent.

The general public could be urged to support this with slogans such as "Never fight with an insurance company again" or "Never think you can't afford to be sick." (The only people who love medical insurance companies these days are the people who work for them, and I know people who have quit such companies in disgust.)

Doctors and nurse-practitioners could be persuaded to join with promises of regular hours, a guaranteed salary that is not dependent on the whims of insurance companies, and a reasonable patient load, without the pressure, found in some group practices, to make money for the group by scheduling unnecessary tests and surgeries.

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Blogger Eve Chayes Lyman said...

Thank you so much for this clear, sensible and sane analysis! Now can you get it published as an op-ed?!

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Blogger Jerry S said...

I am constantly being told by my right leaning and libertarian friends that health care cannot be provided by the government because it will cost more without a profit driven business model. They say we will pay higher taxes and that people need to get jobs and pay for their own Health care. The people who tell me this all have insurance provided by their work. I haven't seen a cost of living raise that wasn't immediately reabsorbed by increase in health insurance in 7 years.

I want to know what people that don't have health insurance but Can afford it say? I haven't heard anything from them. I am also told that countries with socialized medicine are all but bankrupt and have terrible health care.

As an American citizen I am more than willing to pay my government to provide healthcare, education, and reasonable defense. I have a vote something I don't have with Oil companies, Insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies. But these companies are taking that away from us too with their 32 lobbyists per lawmaker presence.

Robert Thank you!

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