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Tuesday, February 05, 2008

The Huge Hole in Unemployment Insurance

We learned last Friday that payrolls shrunk by 17,000 in January, a job loss not seen since the tail end of the last recession, in 2003. And last week, the number of laid off workers filing applications for unemployment benefits soared by 69,000 to 375,000. It was the most new claims in one week since October, 2005, when Hurricane Katrina and other storms decimated the Gulf Coast.

Appropriately enough, the Senate is considering whether to lengthen the period of time people can collect unemployment benefits if they still can’t find a job after six months, which is how long unemployment insurance is now available. That’s sensible, but it doesn't fill a huge hole in the unemployment insurance system.

A new study by the Economic Policy Institute estimates almost 2 million job losers will run out of unemployment benefits this year unless benefits are extended. It’s not unusual to extend benefits during a recession, because recessions often last longer than six months and businesses don’t start hiring again until the economy picks up. And there are few better ways to stimulate the economy. Unemployment benefits put cash directly in the hands of people who need it most, and are most likely to spend it.

But running out of benefits isn’t the biggest problem facing job losers. It’s not getting benefits to begin with. The troubling fact is most people who lose their jobs simply don’t qualify.

That’s because the unemployment insurance system was designed more than a half century ago when most people who lost their jobs had been employed full-time for years, and when most households had one wage earner. Even though those realities have changed, the rules haven’t. In most states, you’re eligible for unemployment insurance only if you’ve lost a full-time job that you’ve had for quite a while.

This leaves out just about everyone who’s lost one or more part-time jobs. And also excludes any full-time worker who had been at the job less than a year before they got canned. It also excludes people who had to leave their job to accompany a working spouse to another city or state. Altogether, the current rules leave out more than half of the American workforce.

So it’s not enough merely to extend unemployment benefits. If Congress really wants to help the millions of Americans who will lose their jobs in the coming recession, and also stimulate the economy, it should make sure job-losers get benefits in the first place.

51 Comments:

Anonymous rjnagle said...

Wow, this is so true.

In 2002 I was out of work due to layoffs and recession. I found a few temporary jobs which lasted from 1 day to 2 weeks from various agencies. Even though I was working, I was making terrible income in a city with a high cost of living. I had a bad experience in Texas with one assignment of two day duration. I was "let go" by the company who hired the temp agency after two days, and the agency sent out discouraging vibes to me. So I went to another agency (and eventually found work though it took a while). In the meantime, I filed for benefits again, only to be vetoed by the first agency (who claimed that by not calling in every day to indicate availability, I was refusing to work for them). They weren't giving me work assignments, but they were giving themselves to right to veto UE benefits. Previously I worked for 2 years with a Fortune 100 company for a good salary, and now because I had a bad experience with a single temporary assignment, suddenly I was made ineligible for benefits (even partial benefits)! I can't remember the details specifically, but I think in addition that because my benefits were denied, I needed to wait 6 more weeks before I was allowed to file for unemployment again. This sort of thing happens all the time to people who do short term work.

(I should mention that this happened in spring 2002 where Congress was dilly-dallying about whether to extend benefits. They eventually agreed to it, but it was too late to make a difference).

You can read about Year of Unemployment hell here.

Professor Reich, I once recall that you advocated income insurance or protection. All I want to say is IBID. The problem is that accepting even low wage jobs while job seeking "turns off" your benefits (which lead to perverse incentives not to work).

Tuesday, 05 February, 2008  
Anonymous kayxyz said...

Just for this blog entry, I took a look at my husband's resume. His last full-time IT job as a software test manager with Intel ended in 2000; obviously his unemployment benefits ended about 6 months into 2001. He has been unemployed for 7.5 years, the entire Bush administration. He has had 1 (one) telephone call, from George May International that did not lead to a job interview, and absolutely zero interviews for a full-time position in IT, even though he has applied for several job openings in North Carolina. I checked this past weekend; his Monster resume has had 52 views in 7.5 years, and zero telephone calls. He has a part-time job only because the position was unadvertised. He took over my part-time job, at less than 10K per year, in a time-crunch, when I moved into a full-time position as a contractor in health sciences. As I've said, my 40K in credit card debt is sitting on the desks of Republicans, because I'm not going to exhaust a 50K retirement account to retrain in health sciences and turn around and pay 40K in credit card debt. My 40K is sitting on the desks of Republicans, Elaine Chao, who in 7.5 years has rarely met the original jobs creation target of 300K jobs created per month. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) just sent me the Department of Labor's Trade Adustment Authority Act, which absolutely does not apply to IT workers as it's currently written. I'm going to let Elizabeth see if she can retool the TAA, considering she's up for re-election this year and she voted in favor of the banks when North Carolina was losing jobs.

My husband voted Republican in the last two elections, even though he's grossly underemployed (and, no, he's not going to re-train in health sciences). He doesn't like Bush's domestic policies (har har) and probably will vote Liberterian in the coming election. Just so you get the idea of what sway Rush Limbaugh, drug addict, and Roger Ailes, Matt Drudge, hold over American minds.

I'm still waiting to hear the presidential candidate take on the banks and the credit card interest rates. Banks are issuing credit cards in India and China, where US jobs have gone, so they will make their money offshore. I think for the US people will declare bankruptcy and stiff the banks or Congress will come up with a small squirt of money for consumers to send to the banks.

Tuesday, 05 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert,

all that you say is very true.

however, in countries like germany and italy with the unemployment insurance policies you advocate, many people stay unemployed for decades.

The work force participation rate in those nations is very low compared to ours

Reich, the bottom line is that if people are unemployed for a "long time" and can't find work that meets their standards they need to lower their standards and keep lowering the standards until they find something they can get.

Any other system leads to the system in germany and italy, which is obviously not a good idea


Let's have universal single payer health care. All citizens deserve health care.
But let's not put millions of people on unemployment insurance that lasts for decades like in europe

Tuesday, 05 February, 2008  
Anonymous Jojo said...

Luckily, I've always qualified for UI. The big problem I have with UI (besides the fact that it is rarely enough to live on) is that it is TAXABLE income at both the Federal & State levels.

Say you are out of work from January to June, using the full 6 months. Then you secure a position for the remainder of the year.

Because most people can barely live on UI,particularly if you are single, many don't let taxes be taken out, as all the $$ are needed just to survive. But then the following year, you wind up owing taxes on the UI you took, which makes it difficult to get back on your feet again.

Besides possibly extending UI benefits, Congress ought to make UI benefits non-taxable.

Tuesday, 05 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UI is worthless here in Northern California. The average monthly UI won't even pay for the average monthly rent.

Tuesday, 05 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it logical for anyone to live in Northern California if they can't get and keep one of the high paid jobs available there?

If you know you are going to have a low paid job or only sporadic employment, doesn't it make sense to live in one of the places in America where you can buy a house for $90k?

Wednesday, 06 February, 2008  
Anonymous paul spencer said...

anonymouse -

You write that "... in countries like germany and italy with the unemployment insurance policies you advocate, many people stay unemployed for decades." What is your definition of 'many'? Perhaps 'some' would be a better term, and most of the 'some' are in the same categories that SSI supports similarly in the U.S. - disabled in some sense or another.

Other than that, the UI systems in the EU countries are similar to ones in the U.S. - based on duration of former employment and employee/employer contribution schemes, and they have benefit limits of various degrees.

The unemployment rates of Germany and Italy may be a little higher than the rate in the U.S., but it is not a certain fact. Germany in particular keeps realistic statistics, while the U.S. rate is 'fudged' beyond recognition. The U.S. rate is based on two polls, plus a quick look at the number of people currently receiving UI benefits.

One of the polls is a household employment survey that doesn't reach the homeless (currently estimated at 3.5 million) and doesn't include the military (a form of employment to be sure, but not a contributor to GDP. Plus, the military component is a much higher portion of the working-age population of the U.S. than of Germany or Italy.)

The other poll is based on a review of payroll data, but it doesn't compensate for people working two jobs. Finally, 'discouraged' workers aren't considered in any meaningful way, and in the past various authors have estimated that this category is about the same percentage of working-age people as the official rate, thus doubling the number.

Also, why would we not want an economy like those of Germany and Italy? Germany is the industrial heart of the EU which is now the leading economy in the world by several indicators. And Italy has a high 'index of livability' rating.

And I'd like 5 weeks of vacation, too.

Wednesday, 06 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

paul,

thank you for your comments.

It has been said that there are very large numbers of people in Germany and Italy that used to have high paying jobs, got laid off, and stay unemployed for years or even decades. These people could obtain lower paid jobs, but choose not to. They are supported on unemployment insurance / social welfare payments for years and sometimes decades.

My question is, do you dispute the fact that there are many more people of this sort in Germany and Italy than there are proportionally in the US?

I have read many many studies of long term unemployment among people that formerly had high paying jobs and those studies show it is much more common in Germany and Italy.

In the US the long term unemployed tend to be the folks with the least education, the least skilled, folks who have NEVER had a good paying job.

In Europe there are plenty of people that USED to have a good paying job that stay unemployed for long long time

In my humble opinion, the stingy unemployment insurance in the us forces people laid off of high paying jobs to eventually work in low paying jobs. In germany and italy the system does not and many people laid off of high paying jobs exit the work force

if you dispute these facts please be specific

Wednesday, 06 February, 2008  
Anonymous paul spencer said...

anonymouse -

I do not dispute the statement that proportionally more of the type of worker that you describe can get UI for longer times and at better terms than those in a similar 'class' in the U.S. (I also approve of your use of the term "stingy" to describe UI benefits in the U.S.)

Your original statement was substantially more general in scope, so I set out some facts - and estimates - that dispute the general case.

Different subject - total, unreserved agreement concerning "universal single payer health care".

Wednesday, 06 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul,

i appreciate your comments.

In my humble opinion, When people lose a high paying job and can not get another, it is better for them and also better for society if they accept a low paying job and attempt to work their way up. By staying in the workforce, they just stay better connected to society.

When someone leaves the work force for years they tend to become "peculiar" and in some cases unemployable

In the end, the european system permanently removes some very talented people from the workforce for life, only because their industry went through some sort of cyclical downturn.

The us is far from perfect, but the us does tend to keep people in the labor force. You can not help but be amazed as to the number of people downsized out of corporate jobs that go on to found successful businesses, or go back to school and become teachers, or so SOMETHING useful with their lives rather than just sit around

labor mobility is much higher in the us as well - if a city like detroit loses all its jobs, many many people pick up and move to booming cities like Las Vegas.

In Europe when a city economy collapses, people tend to stay in that city for life even with no employment prospects

Wednesday, 06 February, 2008  
Anonymous kayxyz said...

Finiding a job is not like finding an empty seat on a bus or train and then filling it. Some comments here omit the other important two-thirds of the equation: competition for the job, the fit and suitability of the job candidate for the job, and the person(s) with the authority to do the hiring.

For the company I work for now, the first step was I went to the web site and applied, and called a recruiter. I got absolutely no response. Then a co-worker referred me to her recruiter, who is very energetic and on-the-ball. I got hired, thankfully. Now that I'm on the inside, I know management goes to the recruiter begging "do you have anyone we can possibly interview?" and gets told no over and over. Lazy recruiters are a roadblock.

Check with a career counselor at most community colleges. The ones i know have stated over and over there are 800 applicants for every position. You never log into a database once, submit a resume, and think the resume will be re-sent for every position. You re-apply for every position you want.

My husband was a software test manager. During the past 7.5 years, he has served as a reference for two former staff. They have both gone onto full time employment, one in North Carolina, one outside North Carolina. He himself hasn't had a telephone call.

Lower standards? sure, but I doubt McDonalds has any worker shortage. Remember, hiring was slack during the past holiday season.

Thursday, 07 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is heart breaking when a person is unable to find a job

Thursday, 07 February, 2008  
Blogger Abelee said...

There are MANY huge holes in unemployment insurance and it's a shame that this country doesn't take better care of its own.

-- As someone else stated, unemployment benefits barely cover what you need to survive; they should NOT be taxable.

-- They should not take so long to get to you. Most, or many who lose their jobs get no severance pay; how are they supposed to survive for 30 days with no money for food or bills? It shouldn't take a MONTH. Given the opportunity, MOST recipients would prefer to work rather than stay home and 'collect, but this is not 'welfare'; it's money you worked for and you should have access to it when you need it, not months later due to some antiquated system.
- It absolutely should be extended to at least one year. People are losing their jobs and their homes. Too many of us are thisclose to losing everything and being homeless. Has the gap between rich and poor widened that much? Doesn't anyone care?

Friday, 08 February, 2008  
Anonymous concerned said...

I think that Abelee brings up a good point and one that begs the question: why are so many Americans living from paycheck to paycheck?

If you don't have enough savings to tide you over for one month before UI kicks in how will you ever afford retirement. I realize it is hard to save but many people feel they need to live beyond their means to keep up with their peers lifestyles. Who really needs cable service and a big screen t.v.?

Friday, 08 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all too true.

most people have weaknesses.

Most people piss away money on something, either lottery tickets, booze, smoking, big screen TV's or something else

then when disaster strikes they wind up in worse shape than they would be if they did not piss away all their dough

it's a tough quandry. I've got lots of sympathy but no answers

Friday, 08 February, 2008  
Blogger Robert said...

Interesting blog. I am eligible to collect unemployment, and have the paperwork from my former employer to prove it. I have not filed because I'm living off my savings. That's a novel concept, isn't it?

This country needs radical change. Over the last 7 years, Bush and the Republicans have presided over the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle classes to the rich in all of world history. This is a travesty.

The upcoming election is easy for me to foresee, since I'm politically independent. Democrats take note: Barack Obama beats McCain in a landslide, but McCain beats Hillary Clinton 52% to 48%.

Friday, 08 February, 2008  
Blogger Abelee said...

Savings. What's that? Most of us don't have savings to live off of.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the conversation about people living 'beyond their means' is moot and not really helpful. We ALL live beyond our means, nearly every one of us. Are those of us who are poor or financially struggling also
expected to be more virtuous than the rest of the population?

Very few *want* to collect unemployment; most have no choice. Again, unemployment insurance is not a HANDOUT. People had to WORK in order to earn it and very, very few are trying to "work the system"; they're trying to survive the system.

Friday, 08 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"but many people feel they need to live beyond their means "

Not really. Many people are struggling to pay food, gas and rent. Inflation just means less food or gas, or more people in the home to split expenses. There is just no room for savings.

4:22 PM, you really should file for that unemployment benefit. Dwindling your savings may not be a good move for you. Look at 1929, and the years it took for the U.S. to recover. You may have to survive the long-haul so plan wisely, conservatively. And remember, your savings will be worth less by next year.

Saturday, 09 February, 2008  
Anonymous concerned saver said...

I agree everyone should file for UI if they lose their job. I don't believe anyone should deplete their savings because they are out of work and their payroll taxes help pay for UI. But, if it takes a month to get UI, having at least a months living expenses stashed away doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Auto deductions are a great way to save, even 50.00 a month adds up. You don't miss it if it doesn't go into your checking accout but a 401K.

Saturday, 09 February, 2008  
Blogger tiptoe said...

Lack of unemployment, disability, and health insurance. Lack of American jobs, lack of so many things and this:

It's a real crime!

"In 2007 the field of presidential candidates for '08 raised $582.5 million and spent $481.2 million."

http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases/2008/YearEndPresidential.2.4.asp

Just think of what could have/ might have been done with just some of that money.

Sad & disgusting at the same time.

tt

Saturday, 09 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert -

you are correct - it is very tough out there for the unemployed.

Fortunately there is one bright spot - the voters in Arizona have voted to force employers in that state to offer thir jobs only to legal us citizens and not to import workers from across the border

the logic of the voters was that wages would go up for citizens if the employers in arizona were forced to bid against each other for the labor of citizens

it is still early but it appears to be working - if you go to any of the help wanted sites you will see a flood of jobs being offered in Arizona this month and wages are going up, thank god.

The following is from a news article - wages going up for steel fitters.

I encourage every unemployed blue collar worker to take a look at relocating to Arizona where, as you see below, there are good jobs at good wages available to citizens

Ironco has raised steel fitters' wages 30 percent from a year ago, according to Bailey. "We've raised wages, competing for a diminishing supply (of workers)," he said. "We’ve been on a campaign of quality improvement, training, scouring the waterfront, so to speak, for American vets, ex-offenders trying to find their way back into society."

Monday, 11 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi all,

I came across this blog when looking for a private unemployment insurance plan...which needless to say I can't find in this country. If someone knows of a company that provides this type of plan I would appreciate if the information could be posted.

I actually want to respond to the conversation that Paul and "anonymous" were having about the long-term unemployment of high-earners in places like Germany and Italy. As a "high earner" who went through a relatively long period of unemployment (1 1/2 years) in the U.S., I absolutely agree that we don't want such earners to go out of the market long-term, however, there are factors that many people don't realize which already exist in the US which discourage high-earners, particularly those with professional degrees, from accepting lower paying jobs...or at least jobs for which they are over-qualified.

For example, I am an attorney, but had to turn down several job offers for paralegal and legal assistant positions while I was unemployed. The primary reason was because, like the majority of people who attended law school in the last 15 years, my legal education was paid for primarily by law school loans. These loans generally allow you to temporarily stop your monthly payments if you are unemployed, but require you to resume payments once you become re-employed. Forbearances for taking low payment jobs are sometimes available short-term (2-3 months) but often only if your job is in the public sector. Repaying my student loans alone costs me approximately $35,000 annually. This means that I need to earn a minimum of $65,000 before taxes to afford my student loans, rent at a one bedroom or studio apartment and food-this doesn't even take into account other expenses, like gas to get to and from a job, or basic utilities. Living at a basic level requires a salary of $80,000 before taxes...if I want to buy clothing, live in a nicer area, etc... I need even more. Few jobs that do not require a professional degree or 10+ years of experience in a specialized area offer these kinds of salaries. In other words, by investing money in my education to enable me to have a given profession I have essentially cornered myself into requiring the earning capacity of someone in that profession, at least for the next 20 years, and this doesn't mean buying luxuries, this means basic living (although I absolutely agree with the comments about people living beyond their means and not saving money!!!). If the government were to offer help to people who are having difficulty paying student loans with their current salaries but who wish to stay in the marketplace, this type of situation could be resolved, but the assistance provided by government-sponsered student loans in this country barely touches the cost of obtaining a college education for most people-and certainly falls way short for those of us who choose to pursue a professioanl degree. Therefore, the option we face is to go into $100,000+ of debt in order to become lawyers, doctors, etc... (the national average is about $140,000) or only allow people who are already wealthy to pursue these types of professions. Note that since most European companies provide professional education at a lower cost because either a significant part of their training is done as an apprentice or because the government sponsers a larger cost of educational expenses, this particular barrier shouldn't exist to such a large extent, which is why I'm a bit mystified by the statistics that you both presented.

From a professional standpoint, another consideration is future employment. Believe it or not, it was easier for me to explain a relatively long period of unemployment on my resume than it would be for me to explain taking a job outside of the legal profession (in which case you are seen as uncommitted to the practice of law) or the job of a non-lawyer within the profession (in which case you are seen as having probably not been qualified for the job of a lawyer in the first place). While one could always leave a period of employment in a non-legal job off of a resume, I personally wouldn't want to be dishonest about my past employment if asked, both from a moral/ethical standpoint and based on the fact that lawfirms are particularly good at checking out the backgrounds of their new hirees. I can only suspect that this is probably true for doctors, MBAs and other highly-compensated professionals as well.

All that said, however, highly compensated professionals do have more resources available to help them find jobs than do people with other careers, and many could fairly easily start their own practices or switch to a related career (such as a career in academia) if they so desired. Therefore, I fully agree that many people in this classification do stay out on unemployment way too long.

I'm sorry that this is so long (as I mentioned I'm a lawyer-diarrea of the mind is an associated risk), but perhaps this can provide some insight into why so many unemployed professionals are unemployed as long as they are...and also explains why I've spent the better part of today looking searching for a company that offers income protection insurance in California.

Tuesday, 12 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure when 'rjnagle' posted his/her comment but I can relate to it because it's almost a carbon copy of what has happened to me. Nearly five years ago, I got laid off from my job in NYC after FIFTEEN years in service. I was nearly 50 and my life has been hell ever since. I couldn't find work in NY and I foolishly moved to a city with a high cost of living but a small-town pay scale and I've been in and out of work ever since. I'm working for a temp agency now, no benefits, praying that one of the assignments they send me on will ask me to stay. It's a horrible thing to be in your mid 50s and realize that you will be working until you drop just to keep a roof over your head through NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN. I didn't 'live above my means', I didn't have a home, car, clothes that were way beyond what I could afford. There was a downsizing and I lost my job. That's all. Since then I have met a LOT of people like me out here: in their 40s, 50s and 60s, unemployed or underemployed, no health insurance, no cushion, no savings, no assets. What are we supposed to do?

Wednesday, 13 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymi 8:23, 4:03:

You two have presented a good picture of the plight of higher paid and older workers in the Kabuki Dance of trying to find a job when unemployed.

Getting offered a job for which you are overqualified is not even an option much of the time.

Employers are always concerned that you would take the lower position just until you could find a job commensurate with your experience and pay level. Often it may be the case that a lesser position might have you working for a boss who has less experience than you do and few want to take the chance that you might end up replacing them.

I agree with 8:23, in that taking a lower paying job frequently taints your educational and professional qualifications. One would like to think that employers would laud those who would take whatever job they could to get work and earn an honest living rather than mooch. Alas that is not the real world. Quite the contrary, if you have an impressive resume and you interview well, they will often be suspect that you "had" to take a lesser job for some reason. Long periods of unemployment can also carry a negative stigma but my experience has been that unemployment, long or not, is less a problem than seeming to have backtracked professionally.

To 4:03's point, once you get past 45 years of age the world of employment opportunitites shrinks, significantly. There are many reasons for this. Most are unfair and shortsighted but the job hunting process is not built on fairness nor do many employers exhibit good sense in their hiring practices. The whole process is full of pyschological meanderings; in a real sense a game.

For those caught up in cutbacks, the looming, seldom asked, questions are; why were you selected to be cutback? What deficiencies do you have that caused your employer to choose you? Was your performance poorer than others of your same level?


We've all read the books on job searches. We know what the employer is looking for in responses, generally, and they know we know, so they are often skeptical of answers that fit the textbook. In today's world previous employers, especially large corporations, will only verify dates of employment, many will not even verify pay rates and none will reflect on job performance. This leaves the prospective employer having to rely on interviews and references to substantiate your resume. References are always taken with a grain of salt for who in their right mind would supply a bad reference?

Interviews are the worst form of mental and physical gyration. Questions are posed, sometimes with predetermined acceptable answers, sometimes intended to create anxiety and sometimes to mark time.

Many managers consider themselves amateur, or greater, body language experts. They watch your expressions, your speech inflections, your body movements and derive their own decision as to your veracity and capability. Others are much more interested in hearing themselves talk and your answers and body movements are ignored.

For lower level positions a variety of tests might be involved. Aptitude tests, skills tests can measure the abilities displayed on your resume/application. For higher level jobs there are few tests that can measure judgment, decision-making ability, people interaction skills or professional competency. I have interviewed with more than one company who required I interview with an Industrial Psychologist, only after taking an arduous psychological exam. These interviews can often feel like an exercise in trying to convince the IP that I don't need to be committed.

At age 55 I found myself unemployed after my employer shut down our local operation. My wife's health eliminated the option of relocation to another facility within the corporate umbrella. I applied for and drew unemployment for the six months available, all the while sending out reams of resumes. Taking a lower paying job, even a temp position, would have impaired my ability to respond immediately to inquiries or interview requests or establishing networking connections. I had some savings so I used those coupled with a meager unemployment benefit, representing about 35% of my previous earnings.

I had an impressive work history and was often commended for my resume. I don't know how many resumes I sent out where the job description in an ad appeared to have been written from my resume; and yet I heard nothing; not even an interview request. Even leaving off college and other dates it is hard to hide your approximate age based on your years of experience.

Competition in my area of expertise and in the geographic area I live in was intense. There are many younger professionals with more degrees and some work experience in my field, accounting/finance management, serving to make age an even more important aspect. After a certain level of experience, each subsequent year represents a diminishing marginal return.

I finally had to seek temp work after a year. I had little trouble getting temp work but again at a pittance of my previous pay. By this time it was clear that my previous career, spent mostly with startup companies or troubled companies, in a Controller function, replete with stress and long hours, was no longer viable due to my wife's health. Again, seeking a job for which you are overqualified, is often harder than seeking one commensurate with your experience.

After a few months in a temp position I was offered consideration for a full time position with the firm. My COBRA was about to run out and it was clearly panic time, so I didn't hesitate to say yes. This was a financial analyst job, dealing specifically with inventory, albeit huge inventories. To secure this position I had to interview with my boss and his boss. No doubt the normal process. In addition, I had to interview with the VP of Finance and the VP of Human Resources; not normal for an analyst position. These further interviews were due to my being significantly overqualified for the job. I did finally get the job but with a 30% pay reduction from my previous work. It took me ten years to get back to my previous pay level, unadjusted for inflation.

This long treatise is merely to support those others, posting here, who have been through this and are either aware of or have experienced the risks of rushing to take lesser paying jobs. One bad experience in a lesser job can wipe away years of valid, worthwhile, marketable experience. Temp or contract work seldom provide benefits and as one ages benefits become paramount.

Those denouncing unemployment hangers-on are usually those who have never faced the situation or never faced it with strong employment histories and higher pay scales. I know little of unemployment in Europe, but my guess would be that the haranguing here is probably akin to, Welfare Queens and Cadillacs.

Wednesday, 13 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re Art Layman's comment:

Bravo - most of what you said is SPOT ON. I'm the previous poster who mentioned being downsized at 49 years of age. The only issue I have with your comment is turning it back on the 'victim': "what did YOU do to make yourself expendable?" *I* didn't do anything. In my case, it was dollars and cents and believe me, I analyzed it every way that you can. The company merged with another company and that almost always means there are several dozen/hundred/thousand employees too many. I knew many people and got along with most of them; I got promotions; did my job above and beyond the call; and was making about the same salary as my peers.
My manager actually got a little choked up when he gave me the bad news.

That's what stings so much. Through no fault of my own, I wound up on the pavement. I've been working temp because I'm afraid of a long period of unemployment but yes, I do think it's working against me because if I take time off for interviews, I lose money and I look even more flaky to the company I'm assigned to. It's a catch 22... and I'm terrified. If I don't find permanent work soon, I will lose my home, which is a modest fixer-upper. I have no savings and I just don't know what else to do. With no benefits, I pray I don't trip over the cat or even stub my toe.
People like to casually say, "Most of us are only a paycheck or two away from homelessness." This is no longer a casual statement for me. It's my reality.

I'm not expecting anyone to feel sorry for me... but I wish people would understand what is happening to so, so, so many of us before they jump to conclusions.

Wednesday, 13 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous 8:45:

I was not implying that you did anything to cause your layoff. I was posing the questions that go through prospective employer's minds when they interview someone who was caught in a cutback.

These questions are totally unfair and seldom asked but the thoughts are there and can frequently affect whether "you" get the job or not.

There is very little science in the hiring process and when there is it is often overkill. The whole exercise, from the employer's standpoint, is frequently fraught with emotional and illogical judgments posited from either the hiring manager or the Human Resources department or some overly academic Industrial Pyschologist.

I was fortunate; I was 65 1/2 and eligible for Social Security and I was given 6 months severance pay. I probably did contribute to my selection as a cutback candidate. I was extremely overqualified for the work I was doing, although I did it very well. In fact I was qualified for the position of VP Finance of our group. My lack of interest in any promotion to management was a consternation for those higher up the food chain. No one I worked with or for could come close to my qualifications, nor my force of personality. I do not suffer fools gladly and I frequently let my bosses and many other executives know that their actions and decisions were stupid and wasteful; email can be a dangerous tool.

Though my fierce condemnation of wasteful actions was admired by my chain of management, I did, often, push the envelope. Whether you are right or not, large corporations do not look kindly on wave makers. My age, making me a viable retirement risk, the level of medical expenditures, my company was self-insured, coupled with a lack of humility for the lowly position I held, all likely served to make my head most prominent on the platter.

Was interesting that when they notified me, 4 months before my termination was to be effective, there was in our group an opening, comparable in level. The work was somewhat different than I had been doing but was utilizing the same tools, Microsoft Office, and was still dealing with inventory issues. I made a stink about the decision to let me go being personal, denials abounded, but I pointed to this opening as proof. They finally sat down to discuss my interest in the other position, at which time I explained that I probably would only work another 4 or 5 years, assuming they would provide assistance in getting around at that age, and that should I stay on and then retire they weren't likely to offer me 6 months severance at that time. Given those considerations I declined interest in the other position. I took the money and ran.

I have been where you are a few times during my career and I know that it's tough. It's tough to get along financially but even tougher to maintain a positive outlook, both to the future and to your own capabilities, skills and worth.

The best advice I can give you is to maintain a strong, neverending, belief in yourself. Panic does drift in and out of your mind and it can easily come through during an interview. Don't let it. Whether interviewing or working in a temp job, present a solid, positive front, one that suggests that they have yet to invent a job in your area of expertise that you cannot master. Walk that fine line between a positive attitude and arrogance - a line I frequently cross over - but above all believe in yourself.

You have value; you have talent, somewhere, soon hopefully, someone will get caught up in your positive outlook and wonder how they got so lucky as to have a chance to hire you.

Thursday, 14 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Art A Layman -

Thanks for explaining -- sorry I misunderstood! :-)

And... I am definitely trying not to panic and more than that, trying not to let the panic SHOW. But I *am* fearful and growing more so each day as much as I try to hide it or not focus on it. I've never been one for regrets but I often find myself wishing I'd done a few things differently when I was making a much higher salary and had more choices. But I didn't. What is, is and I can only hold on, hope that I don't sink and try to remain positive.

But in reality, I never, ever thought I'd be in this position: Over 50, struggling on a salary I made 15 years ago, having to budget every last dime, and living in a constant state of fear and worry.

Thursday, 14 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous 9:46:

I feel you.

Best further advice I can give, although not a religious person I have found it a decent postulate for reducing stress; The Serenity Prayer: God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Thursday, 14 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Art -

Thanks, but -- I'm an agnostic. Have been for some time, and you know, considering what is happening in the world today, I'm leaning heavily toward making the leap to atheism!

(I'm kidding... I think.)

Thursday, 14 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous 1:04:

Trust me I am much closer to atheism than you. I have never been a believer.

Look at the words in the prayer, ignore the appeal to God and appreciate the concept of the words: No matter how bad things get, if you can change things then do it, or keep working at it, if you can't change some things then accept them, work around them, hope that you can know the difference to conserve energy.

The point I take from it is there is no sense in worrying, fretting over your dilemma. Worrying is wasted energy.

I recall this prayer everytime I begin getting stressed out about events in my life. Between it and my other firm belief, that no matter how bad I have it someone else out there has it worse, I occasionally have to employ these thoughts to kick my butt and get me back on track.

Of course if all that fails I turn to alcohol.

Friday, 15 February, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Art - LOL! This week, I broke every rule I'd made for this year: I ate chocolate, smoked, and had a drink in the middle of the week. Had a good cry this morning and then got a hold of myself by realizing that if I kept up that way, I'd be a fat alcoholic woman with cancer... and along with my mortage and other bills I'd have to figure out how to pay either the hospital or the rehab center!

Thanks for being there. You've helped me a great deal this week.

Friday, 15 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous 7:12:

Glad I could help.

You seem to have grasped my biggest tool for dealing with life's inane vagaries. LAUGHTER! When all else fails, look life in the face and LAUGH. Life hates that.

Friday, 15 February, 2008  
Blogger rjnagle said...

Because I was the first commenter, I wanted to mention a few anecdotal details in case people reading this thought the situation was forlorn for the average job seeker.

I had a lot of problems finding unemployment mainly because of the city I lived in (and the fact that my industry was hit hard). This city was a college town and had a really competitive job force as it was. I ended up moving to Houston (where the economy was diversified and robust) and found regular work in two weeks.

Although financially that year of job hunting was a black hole, I picked up some certifications, made a lot of contacts, learned new skills, and learned to make my skills more applicable to more industries than the one I was in.

One thing I found amazing: why is it easy to receive student loans to study Shakespeare at a liberal arts university and next-to-impossible to receive loans to take a computer programming class at a community college?

Friday, 15 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

rjnagle:

Because Shakespeare has more universal utility?

Friday, 15 February, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

rjnagle:

Happy to hear that things worked out well for you.

Moving to another city is seldom easy for a family and can often create hardships in addition to their job losses.

Though the real world is what it is, it seems harsh, if not unfair, that one must uproot their kids, sell their house, lose all their friends, their fellow congregants at church, all in the quest to make a decent living.

The mobility of the job creators in recent years has, in and of itself, added to the social woes of the breakdown of core families.

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Some reasons you can't compare unemployment rates between the U.S. and other developed nations have already been given.

Another reason is that we have the highest percentage of people in prison. And I'm sure those prisoners don't get counting in the unemployment rolls.

An example of how misleading the unofficial unemployment rate is:
When a commenter on http://economistsview.typepad.com/ claimed that the unemployment rate in France almost twice as high as in the U.S., an American living in France pointed out that the percentage of the working age population that is employed is about the same in both countries.

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