Are We Heading for Another Great Depression (Part Two)
I think the chances of a Depression are no higher (and not much lower) than twenty percent. Why not higher? Because, unlike then, our monetary authorities know how and when to pump more money into the economy; our Congress and White House know how and when to stimulate with fiscal policy; and the US economy is more integrated with the rest of the world (which is riding out the storm better than we are) than then. But no lower because the similaries with what led to the Great Depression are so stark. Then what do I suggest in addition to the standard remedies? Here's what I wrote in the NY Times a few weeks ago:
TOTALLY SPENT
WE’RE sliding into recession, or worse, and Washington is turning to the normal remedies for economic downturns. But the normal remedies are not likely to work this time, because this isn’t a normal downturn.
The problem lies deeper. It is the culmination of three decades during which American consumers have spent beyond their means. That era is now coming to an end. Consumers have run out of ways to keep the spending binge going.
The only lasting remedy, other than for Americans to accept a lower standard of living and for businesses to adjust to a smaller economy, is to give middle- and lower-income Americans more buying power — and not just temporarily.
Much of the current debate is irrelevant. Even with more tax breaks for business like accelerated depreciation, companies won’t invest in more factories or equipment when demand is dropping for products and services across the board, as it is now. And temporary fixes like a stimulus package that would give households a one-time cash infusion won’t get consumers back to the malls, because consumers know the assistance is temporary. The problems most consumers face are permanent, so they are likely to pocket the extra money instead of spending it.
Another Fed rate cut might unfreeze credit markets and give consumers access to somewhat cheaper loans, but there’s no going back to the easy money of a few years ago. Lenders and borrowers have been badly burned, and the values of houses and other assets are dropping faster than interest rates can be lowered.
The underlying problem has been building for decades. America’s median hourly wage is barely higher than it was 35 years ago, adjusted for inflation. The income of a man in his 30s is now 12 percent below that of a man his age three decades ago. Most of what’s been earned in America since then has gone to the richest 5 percent.
Yet the rich devote a smaller percentage of their earnings to buying things than the rest of us because, after all, they’re rich. They already have most of what they want. Instead of buying, and thus stimulating the American economy, the rich are more likely to invest their earnings wherever around the world they can get the highest return.
The problem has been masked for years as middle- and lower-income Americans found ways to live beyond their paychecks. But now they have run out of ways.
The first way was to send more women into paid work. Most women streamed into the work force in the 1970s less because new professional opportunities opened up to them than because they had to prop up family incomes. The percentage of American working mothers with school-age children has almost doubled since 1970 — to more than 70 percent. But there’s a limit to how many mothers can maintain paying jobs.
So Americans turned to a second way of spending beyond their hourly wages. They worked more hours. The typical American now works more each year than he or she did three decades ago. Americans became veritable workaholics, putting in 350 more hours a year than the average European, more even than the notoriously industrious Japanese.
But there’s also a limit to how many hours Americans can put into work, so Americans turned to a third way of spending beyond their wages. They began to borrow. With housing prices rising briskly through the 1990s and even faster from 2002 to 2006, they turned their homes into piggy banks by refinancing home mortgages and taking out home-equity loans. But this third strategy also had a built-in limit. With the bursting of the housing bubble, the piggy banks are closing.
The binge seems to be over. We’re finally reaping the whirlwind of widening inequality and ever more concentrated wealth.
The only way to keep the economy going over the long run is to increase the wages of the bottom two-thirds of Americans. The answer is not to protect jobs through trade protection. That would only drive up the prices of everything purchased from abroad. Most routine jobs are being automated anyway.
A larger earned-income tax credit, financed by a higher marginal income tax on top earners, is required. The tax credit functions like a reverse income tax. Enlarging it would mean giving workers at the bottom a bigger wage supplement, as well as phasing it out at a higher wage. The current supplement for a worker with two children who earns up to $16,000 a year is about $5,000. That amount declines as earnings increase and is eliminated at about $38,000. It should be increased to, say, $8,000 at the low end and phased out at an income of $46,000.
We also need stronger unions, especially in the local service sector that’s sheltered from global competition. Employees should be able to form a union without the current protracted certification process that gives employers too much opportunity to intimidate or coerce them. Workers should be able to decide whether to form a union with a simple majority vote.
And employers who fire workers for trying to organize should have to pay substantial fines. Right now, the typical penalty is back pay for the worker, plus interest — a slap on the wrist.
Over the longer term, inequality can be reversed only through better schools for children in lower- and moderate-income communities. This will require, at the least, good preschools, fewer students per classroom and better pay for teachers in such schools, in order to attract the teaching talent these students need.
These measures are necessary to give Americans enough buying power to keep the American economy going. They are also needed to overcome widening inequality, and thereby keep America in one piece.
TOTALLY SPENT
WE’RE sliding into recession, or worse, and Washington is turning to the normal remedies for economic downturns. But the normal remedies are not likely to work this time, because this isn’t a normal downturn.
The problem lies deeper. It is the culmination of three decades during which American consumers have spent beyond their means. That era is now coming to an end. Consumers have run out of ways to keep the spending binge going.
The only lasting remedy, other than for Americans to accept a lower standard of living and for businesses to adjust to a smaller economy, is to give middle- and lower-income Americans more buying power — and not just temporarily.
Much of the current debate is irrelevant. Even with more tax breaks for business like accelerated depreciation, companies won’t invest in more factories or equipment when demand is dropping for products and services across the board, as it is now. And temporary fixes like a stimulus package that would give households a one-time cash infusion won’t get consumers back to the malls, because consumers know the assistance is temporary. The problems most consumers face are permanent, so they are likely to pocket the extra money instead of spending it.
Another Fed rate cut might unfreeze credit markets and give consumers access to somewhat cheaper loans, but there’s no going back to the easy money of a few years ago. Lenders and borrowers have been badly burned, and the values of houses and other assets are dropping faster than interest rates can be lowered.
The underlying problem has been building for decades. America’s median hourly wage is barely higher than it was 35 years ago, adjusted for inflation. The income of a man in his 30s is now 12 percent below that of a man his age three decades ago. Most of what’s been earned in America since then has gone to the richest 5 percent.
Yet the rich devote a smaller percentage of their earnings to buying things than the rest of us because, after all, they’re rich. They already have most of what they want. Instead of buying, and thus stimulating the American economy, the rich are more likely to invest their earnings wherever around the world they can get the highest return.
The problem has been masked for years as middle- and lower-income Americans found ways to live beyond their paychecks. But now they have run out of ways.
The first way was to send more women into paid work. Most women streamed into the work force in the 1970s less because new professional opportunities opened up to them than because they had to prop up family incomes. The percentage of American working mothers with school-age children has almost doubled since 1970 — to more than 70 percent. But there’s a limit to how many mothers can maintain paying jobs.
So Americans turned to a second way of spending beyond their hourly wages. They worked more hours. The typical American now works more each year than he or she did three decades ago. Americans became veritable workaholics, putting in 350 more hours a year than the average European, more even than the notoriously industrious Japanese.
But there’s also a limit to how many hours Americans can put into work, so Americans turned to a third way of spending beyond their wages. They began to borrow. With housing prices rising briskly through the 1990s and even faster from 2002 to 2006, they turned their homes into piggy banks by refinancing home mortgages and taking out home-equity loans. But this third strategy also had a built-in limit. With the bursting of the housing bubble, the piggy banks are closing.
The binge seems to be over. We’re finally reaping the whirlwind of widening inequality and ever more concentrated wealth.
The only way to keep the economy going over the long run is to increase the wages of the bottom two-thirds of Americans. The answer is not to protect jobs through trade protection. That would only drive up the prices of everything purchased from abroad. Most routine jobs are being automated anyway.
A larger earned-income tax credit, financed by a higher marginal income tax on top earners, is required. The tax credit functions like a reverse income tax. Enlarging it would mean giving workers at the bottom a bigger wage supplement, as well as phasing it out at a higher wage. The current supplement for a worker with two children who earns up to $16,000 a year is about $5,000. That amount declines as earnings increase and is eliminated at about $38,000. It should be increased to, say, $8,000 at the low end and phased out at an income of $46,000.
We also need stronger unions, especially in the local service sector that’s sheltered from global competition. Employees should be able to form a union without the current protracted certification process that gives employers too much opportunity to intimidate or coerce them. Workers should be able to decide whether to form a union with a simple majority vote.
And employers who fire workers for trying to organize should have to pay substantial fines. Right now, the typical penalty is back pay for the worker, plus interest — a slap on the wrist.
Over the longer term, inequality can be reversed only through better schools for children in lower- and moderate-income communities. This will require, at the least, good preschools, fewer students per classroom and better pay for teachers in such schools, in order to attract the teaching talent these students need.
These measures are necessary to give Americans enough buying power to keep the American economy going. They are also needed to overcome widening inequality, and thereby keep America in one piece.

43 Comments:
I disagree that the solution resides on the income side of the equation. I have no problem with an income disparity between rich and poor. I feel like the average American has just lost touch with what their level of wages entitles them to. We need to undergo the hard reset of what a citizen spends their money on. Savings rates need to go up and people need to forego big screen tvs and $4 coffee. We used to be that nation. Sure that will mean a hard time for nation but it's the only reasonable way to get our finances back in order. More money to the middle class will just be spent as you point out. We need to change attitudes and expectations.
Anonymous,
The average American does try to keep up with the Joneses more than is reasonable, but you misplace the remedy.
Keeping middle class wages up will stop this effect. If the upper 10%'s income isn't going anywhere, then there is no need to keep the arms race going. I personally have opted out, but I fear most people simply won't follow my and many others' examples.
Everyone thinks they are owed a certain standard of living and this standard should increase as time goes on. In fact, I recall in one of my university courses that political revolution occurs when standards of living drop, even when the original standard was relatively high to begin with.
Yeah, you're right on what needs to happen, but Dennis Kucinich will be elected President before the middle class goes without their $4 coffee, $2000 TVs, and $150 cable bills.
So many people are working hard paying mortgages on assets that are now worth much less than they payed for them.
The current financial hardships of many families should make people desire to place more resources into creating lasting wealth that is shared by all, such as updated public infrastructure and strong public and private service industries, rather than working hard to create private wealth in the form of monster homes and toys that is unsatisfying, and prone to loss.
"our monetary authorities know how and when to pump more money into the economy; our Congress and White House know how and when to stimulate with fiscal policy; and the US economy is more integrated with the rest of the world (which is riding out the storm better than we are) than then."
The FED has become a serial bubble creator, the Congress and White House have combined to create a 9 trillion dollar debt that doesn't reflect unfunded liabilities and the the rest of the world depends on American consumers to overspend for their lifestyle.
You havn't even started to factor in the effect $100 oil is having on short and long term growth here and world wide.
Dr. Reich,
Isn't this whole thing debacle fundamentally tied to leverage applied on the securitization on mortgages through derivatives? We wrote too many bad loans, and then piled on 10, 20, 100x leverage. I see the crisis as fundamentally simple: as long as housing declines, problems will intensify. None of the investment houses modeled any of the alphabet soup derivatives for a 30% national house decline. They are technically insolvent already.
This is a finance-crises that will end up immolating the real economy as interest rates explode to maintain capital requirements. 97% of 'money' is actually debt--that now can't be paid back. To focus on income and ground level factoids misses the big picture--that the banks and a lack of regulation have painted the world financial system into a corner from which it cannot escape.
Huge bailouts with unintended consequences won't change the ultimate outcome of all this malinvestment. 34 year old hedgies making 20 million a year, Chuck Prince dancing, and migrant workers buying 500K houses in California were signs of the apocalypse, it turns out.
The most bearish prognasticators (Roubini et al) have been by far the most accurate regarding the spreading crisis. Many now believe a seize up is inevitable.
I would love to hear you answer one simple question: how will the current financial system survive when housing drops 30% in the U.S., given that those loans are so leveraged through derivatives?
If we do have a depression, what is the best way to prepare?
Get out of debt, even though the dollar is depreciating fast?
Buy wheat, gold, silver?
Start a new life in another country?
Dear Mr. Reich,
Your Part II thoughts on how to solve our nation's financial mess are to the point. The income stagnation of at least 85% of American workers over the last 20 years is a documented fact... a factor stimulating recourse to ever more aggressive, exotic lending practices and deluges of debt to keep the Consumption Mania going.
However, the vicious circle becomes complete when all this consumption, consumption, consumption ... borrow, borrow, borrow... lower, lower lower taxes/interest rates ... IS DONE WITH ALMOST NEGATIVE SAVINGS which in turn sharply reduces the ability of banks to finance investments, especially when the economy inevitably turns south.
Part of the answer to this dilemma must be incentives for increasing our nation's savings rate to 5-6% of GNP level. The social-economic paradigm of low taxes, very high consumption levels of 70% of GNP, low savings, endless borowing,huge deficits, costly defense spending, and weak social-infrastructure investments is a structurally predictable recipe for perpetuating the economic instability and pain for lower and middle class Americans. The supply side economic model is bankrupt without a proper savings foundation. This only destroys the ability of the investment cycle to continue at a reasonable pace during slowdowns, thus not providing the stabilizing cushion necessary when consumption weakens.
Of course, part of the answer lies in achieving real efficiencies in the Medicare and Defense programs, along with a cultural change to a more modest lifestyle -- although I'm not optimistic about the latter happening very soon. But the reality is we are floating on an Economic Model that has brought our spending to a level approximating 134% of National Income. The result: high-risk mortgage lending, irresponsible credit card debt and government budget debts occurring coterminously with ballooning oil prices and trade deficits.
I'm far from being a dooms-day thinker, but our country has got to unite solidly around some constructive solutions to the systemic threats to our heralded social-economic system. This is no time for parochial Ideological Purity Dogma but rather for some creative, common sense, corrective actions that benefit All Americans. As one reader said so well, it's time we become a nation of DOERS again in the interests of EVERYONE.
F.T., The Netherlands
I know Robert Reich is a neo-populist, and thus focuses on the plight of the working classes, but this narrow viewpoint leads to a distorted picture of what's wrong with the US economy.
Certainly let's improve the strength of organized labor and let's rebalance the income and wealth disparities, but these are the symptoms not the disease.
The disease is not overspending by the Joneses, it is overspending by the government on militarism. The current wars are being financed with borrowed money from abroad. Whether you think this is $200-300 billion as claimed by the Bushies, or $3 trillion as claimed by Joseph Stiglitz, the impact on the economy can't be ignored.
We are seeing the results now just as we did during the 1970's when LBJ also refused to pay for a war. What happened then is happening now: inflation, a declining dollar, a drop in industrial activity, a rise in unemployment and general human misery.
Get the government to put its house in order and we will see the benefits cascade to the stressed working classes as well. It's not plasma TV's that are causing people economic distress, it's rising health, education, food, fuel and housing prices. These aren't frills, so stop blaming profligate consumers.
This is the same sort of smear that Reagan used when he blamed things on the mythical Cadillac driving welfare mom. The overspending consumer is a rightwing framing meant to divert attention from the fundamental problems caused by the federal government.
How about it Dr. Reich, let's put the blame where it belongs - a runaway military sector which consumes 50% of the discretionary federal budget.
BB this morning actually proposed that lenders reduce principle for folks upside down on their home equity.
"In this environment, principal reductions that restore some equity for the homeowner may be a relatively more effective means of avoiding delinquency and foreclosure."
Dr Reich yesterday was real certain that the FED and the Congress had all the answers but clearly this situation is way out of control with the FED Chairman begging banks and bond holders to forgive debt for millions of homeowners. The bank system must be on the verge of cliff diving and be in far worse shape that even the worst bear can imagine.
Dear Mr. Reich,
I would like to compliment Robert
Feinman for daring to lay a major
portion of our financial mess on
an overbloated military budget.
History has shown us many times that nations have gone bankrupt with expansionary delusions resulting in excessive military expenditures. We need to cool
the psychology of being the world's protector and engage others
to share this task with us ... then
use the savings to reduce our deficit and to invest in our weak social-infrastructure -- where the "Multiplier Effect" in creating
new jobs and tax revenues is far
higher than Dollars invested in bombs and tanks.
Further, improving our tax revenues in this way over next 8-10years strategically gives us the an improved financial strength and flexibility to later expand military expenditures should this
appear appropriate.
F.T., The Netherlands
There is common adage-- "when you see it you know it. A recession from where I sit, shopped and once worked is on.
When you are college educated professional with years of experience under your belt and have to hassle for a $10 job at place you do want to mention. A recession is on.
As a nation we are great at burying our heads in sand. Well the belly has fallen out. One can only hope the next president-- and I fear to think of Clinton, will fix.
If she wins-- business continues in Washington, grid lock and middle continues to get crushed.
Wait to see what happens!!
I wanted to toss out an unorthodox policy question. There's a great deal of political difficulty in forcing through higher tax rates on the wealthy for the purposes of income redistribution. Would it be possible to develop policy that encouraged income redistribution within firms themselves as a supplement to progressive income taxes?
Some of the more progressive and successful firms in the world have a set maximum wage differential. Mondragon, a prosperous network of Spanish cooperatives, has a set wage differential of 4.5:1. The highest paid employee can only make 4.5 times as much as the lowest paid. This insures rough equality within the firms, and if you think about it reduces the need for redistributive programs after the fact.
What if we had a business tax tied inversely to wage differentials, with lowest being 1:1 and the tax rate increasing as that differential increases, probably along a sort of exponential curve. A company who's CEO makes 400 times as much as a janitor would be taxed through the roof, a small business whose manager makes 1.5-2 times as much as her lowest paid employee would pay a negligible rate.
You'd need to be careful with the language, making sure to include stocks and benefits into the equation. You'd need to insure that the laws were a little tighter on subcontracting to insure that firms didn't just source out the low-end work for tax breaks. But on the whole I think it'd be viable politically, and you'd drive a pretty huge wedge between progressive and small business and the more avaricious members of the corporate world.
Frank Thomas:
Thanks for the kind words. You may want to look at the nice graphic on this web site to see what I'm referring to.
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
Just yesterday the DoD awarded a $30 billion contract for new mid-air tanker planes. Honest commentators are guessing this might rise to $100 billion by the time the contract is finished.
It isn't even providing military Keynesian "stimulation" since the contract was awarded to EAD, a European firm.
Apparently the US is planning to fight another war thousands of miles away without the support of any countries on the way and thus will need improved mid-air refueling capabilities to reach the targets without landing. I wonder which country they have in mind this time?
Runaway militarism is like a cancer, apparently it can't be stopped.
It is hard to argue with much of what Dr. Reich has to say. Debt is piling up at every level of our society, from individuals to every level of government.
Oh, wait. One major segment of America is not in debt: corporations. (See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/04/business/04cash.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin for details.) But will they invest in the country that has built them, or will they take that cash and plow it into building "emergent markets"?
We know the answer to that.
Dr. Reich's other solutions, while they would represent steps in the right direction, are unlikely to happen. The bottom-line reality is that we've been living beyond our means for far too long, and it's time for a correction.
The term recession or depression, is unimportant (as far as I can tell, the bottom 80% or so have been in a recession for years). All our experimentation with extending the supply chain and moving to a service-based economy is not likely to stave off difficulties for the U.S.
I would love to be more positive, but our challenges are too great, and we aren't moving toward meeting them in any real way.
Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars. Transfered FROM US TO THEM. Over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They will never settle for a reasonable share of ANYTHING. They will do whatever it takes to get even richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductable crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any 'humanitarian' progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. So don’t fall for all of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductable contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. WAKE UP PEOPLE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Vioxx. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of which concentrate the world’s wealth and resources and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘ good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.
Your solution sounds to me like a scheme to take randomly from the rich and give to the less rich as if money and personal achievement is nothing but a money shell game. Taking from the rich to give to the poor on the basis of sympathy and not merit or economic principle, has never worked - not for long. And it is not in the American mental framework at the moment.
Your notion that big fat America has been gorging itself when banks and the super wealthy have pulled a fast one on everybody, is not acceptable. This real estate debacle was no accident. Some very important and super wealthy people knew exactly what they were doing.
The people who stole the equity from the middle class and working class and scammed the world are going to have to be forced to give the money back. They must also be taught that crime does not pay - even for the super wealthy there are limits of moral economic behavior. They have it and they can give it back to those they cheated in one fashion or another.
International companies and mega corporations have to be encouraged to come back home with their good jobs and pay their rent. This can only be done by some sort of protectionist methods. America has to become a logical destination for big money once again. The race to the bottom has to be curtailed. Patriotism has to be a term that also applies in economics. America needs fair trade, living wages, and a clear understanding that charity begins at home.
I put the chances of a depression at > 50%
The inflation of today is being caused by too few products (natural resources) and too many people wanting them. This isn't a Fed dropping the discount rate issue, or a credit crunch problem, this is far more fundamental.
Thanks to communism and many incompetent governments around the world, much of the worlds population had no chance of competing with the U.S. for natural resources and the products made from them. Now, China and India are becoming part of the demand equation.
No matter how you cut it, there just isn't, and there can't be, enough to go around. The only way for America to sustain it's resource intensive standard of living, is to deny the same standard of living to others.
Just as quantum physics changed our understanding of the fundamental laws of nature, the dismal science of economics needs to come up with new theories on how economics will work with a growing population and diminishing resources.
I also put the odds of a recession at well over 50% - but it all depends on government action.
But unlike Mr Reich, I don't think that the lessons from the last Depression will help us.
Injecting more liquidity into the system is not going to help. What's needed, and needed soon, is transparency. That's because this is not a liquidity crisis - it's a SOLVENCY crisis. A number of major players are currently insolvent by any measure, and are doing their level best to hide it.
Everyone knows it, but noone really knows for sure who they are. So, unless and until regulators stop allowing companies to keep debts off book, stop allowing companies to mark-to-fantasy instead of marking to market, and until regulators finally put a bullet in the head of the now obviously lying ratings agencies, people will do their level best to quickly extract their money from the market and hoard it, either in treasuries, precious metals, or commodities - essentially, anywhere where they're not likely to be lied to.
It's time for the cops to actually start doing something about this mess. If they don't, the credit markets are going to stop completely, and then we'll have a depressionary spiral for sure.
I particularly like the insightful and profane Karl Denninger for insights on this:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
Check it out.
One other comment - do you really think that a revived US union movement is going to make any difference at all, if they're competing with non-union workers in other countries? If you're really serious about US unions, try getting some going in Mexico and China - or just give it up as a lost cause. For a look at what "service unions" are going to be up against in the coming years, check out Vallejo, CA, as it enters bankruptcy. The non-union city residents are turning on their unionized fire and police departments. If only service personnel have unions, the rest of the populace will turn on them.
It seems to me that the other answer is to increase public investment. The infrastructure out there is decaying rapidly -- seen the Longfellow Bridge in Boston/Cambridge recently. It is typical of problems across the country
Rebuilding the infrastructure will mean that a lot of folks can be put to work in well paying jobs. This will help us out of recession.
When you add the impacts from the end of cheap oil and climate destabilization to the current bankrupt status of the US, how could we not go into economic depression/collapse?
Todd
White people 'flighting' and paying over the odds for an area they feel comfortable in may also have added to house inflation.
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The American Consumer is the new gold standard. Everything in the economy bases itself on the frequency and abundance of the domestic purchase. Wouldn't a correction (say to manufacturing) be desired? The service industry, regardles of unions, will always be a low tier income bracket. Manufacturing jobs are preferred for a stronger economy.
I find all of the comments interesting,however......
Lets think about what would happen if the big bad oil companies are taxed for making too much profit. Democrats will put the final cap on this economy at the gas pump. They have shown they can't run a primary ( Michigan and Florida) yet promise to run the countries energy woes and health care.
The published experts really should wake up and address the future outlook of this country and the effects of government control on two very large issues. If anything is true it is the history of government involvement.
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To the older anonymous poster - I have yet to hear how the now retiring generation is going to forego the handouts named social security and medicare, which by all rights we cannot afford and they should not expect. Afterall - my generation should not be punished because we were too young to vote the bandits out of office who stole from the cookie jar. The lack of fiscal responsiblity goes all the way to the top, and excludes no generation.
Whoa... listen to anonymous talk about Wall Street pigs, Oprah and America rich pigs. Here is a poor guy suffering from CLASS ENVY. Ever get a job from a poor person?
I so happen am one of those rich pigs. Started out in poverty with a mom raising for kids on minimum wage. In those days it was a dollar per hour. I worked harder then most, given nothing by no one, relied on and believed in only myself. Never cheated or hurt a sole.
By the sounds of your ranting you think I should have my wealth re-distributed to people like yourself who do not know the meaning of hard work. Your living in the wrong county. I would suggest a short boat ride to CUBA , hey, they even have National Healthcare there.
You speak of the middle class no longer able to maintain their life style. The new rich, according to Obama and Hillary, now make $31,700 or more per year.
Remember history. Hitler practice " Truth thru repetition". I'm sorry to say, I think you have fallen for that scheme. Heck you probably think the oil companies make more from a gallon of gas then the Federal or State governments.
Good luck, I hope you get well.
WRM
Can we destory the ridiculous commentary and let the knowledgable blogger answer real questions. Persons interested in self-imposed poverty are an embarassment to civilization.
As many know, there is movement toward a North American Union of Canda, the United States and Mexico. The International Mid-Continent Trade Corridor (which will run from the Mexican border to Canada) and the recently signed Canada-U.S. pact which will allow cross-border military activity are indicative of this. A financial meltdown in the U.S. would provide an optimal situation for "the powers that be" to finally move forward with this plan quickly. All should note that the Amero, a new currency to be used in the NAU, is already being minted in Denver.
I think that everyone is responsible for thier own actions. I think that if you bought a house on a sucky varible rate than you should be prepared to pay the sucky rate. I think that you should never expect to buy something and make money on it. You buy it to use it, live in it, work with it or whatever. I dont buy to make profit. Thats the problem with our country everyone wants to make a profit, everyone wants to spend 100,000 and make 150,000. Be happy with what you have dont live outside of your means and you will be fine.
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I appreciate this blog - I have been trying with no luck to open peoples eyes that the country is in deep trouble.
I have been working for a new homebuilder for the past 1.5 years. I am jumping ship even so we have been downsizing to try to reverse the fall. I have watched this place crumble over the past year and have watched my expenses rise and income drop (overtime cut).
I am pretty stuck and there is not a whole lot I can do prior to this recession/depression except to try to pay stuff off as fast as possible and stash some money away.
I am honestly terrified and I find it funny that everyone is running around saying its a normal market hiccup and they happen.
I hope for the best. Remember what caused the fall of Rome.
At the end of the day, talking about the problems without suggesting feasilbe solutions for the people most affected, media fear frenzy or grossly biased reporting and 'experts' who do nothing but comment and theorise on the past mistakes (which by the way we never learn from anyway) aren't going to solve a single thing. Figure out the problem all you want, it's the average joe who is taking it up the behind right now and he wants solutions. Which by rights can be found all over the show. Take the bus, cancel cable, spend less on entertainment, do some reading on food products that you don't actually need ie anything dairy, save what little money you can and start thinking for yourself.
When Rome burnt, it was the natural backlash needed to restore balance, so if it comes, it's probably needed.
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I agree with the North American Union and the Amero-dollar post. We have to hit bottom for the public to not only accept it, but to worship it. In the long run, if this is planned, for the Ameri-dollar to renew our economy, we will all come out of this stronger than ever. It will put us in a good position to compete with the Euro-dollar and restore our power. I would bet once the North American Union is finished suddenly jobs will be 10-fold.
I agree with your ideas. However, I also think America should have slightly more socialist laws simply to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor.
After all, it is exceedingly unfair that the average CEO makes something like 400 times more than their workers. After all, why should they make that much more money when the worker is doing just as much, if not more work? And the rich should be taxed. After all, they do NOT need 4 million dollars per year to survive.
I am here to say one thing that this is not a econmic problem. It is going to happen and not because this person or that person is spending to much but because greed has takin over in this World. No one has a solution because no one can be trusted with money and what to do with it. No matter how you look at it their are more people on earth more each day the world cannot maintain order through man if you have noticed America was founded on a key principle. That principal was "In God We Trust" prayer in school, going to church learning the word of God. The more we take God out of our country the more we are going to fail. So you can either continue to have faith in a man which is very risky and does not have a good track record or put your trust in God and pray that our economy recover and watch how things change. When you become a man of God you do not seek things of earthly value but you seek your heavenly treasures where mouth or rust cannot destroy it. SO I have one question, Where does your heart stand with man or the Lord Jesus Christ?
its all about the greedy rich snobs who have everything from credit. maybe you should sell your $900,000 ugly big elephant house, sell your three bmws,have your little spoiled brats get a paper route to pay for there own cell phone at the age of 10, get in the real world, pay cash for most things, work and save your money and maybe just maybe the economy would get better. drive a chevy and live in a normal humble house and be nice to the lower class people. i think that would be a great solution.
From a lower class monmouth county new jersey citizen.
I totally one hundred percent agree. The middle class has been fading for some time now and we can't survive without a middle class. If you don't pay the majority of people that spend the money a decent wage, you get a mess, which is what our world is in and will be in for sometime until the corporations stop being so damn greedy and the politicians stop needing their support. I am scared for our future, for my kids future.
To other responders:
Instead of blaming the consumer for everything, why not blame the architects of this financial meltdown!?
We can't just stop spending! Don't you realize what would happen?! Companies sell less so they lay off more. More people without jobs, so people buy less. So companies lay off more. And even more people have less $ to spend. This is common sense!
The economy is driven by people having money to buy the things they want.
So the way to fix this problem is to put more money in the hands of people who spend... Put money in the hands of working people who spend most of what they make. Duh!
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Dr. Reich:
While I appreciate your attempt to explain and restore some sanity to the economic debate, there are several points which you seem to have over looked and which seem quite significant to me:
1) during all those years of excessive house price increases that you cite, you fail to mention government's own complicity in escalating home values in order to increase their tax revenues. Most home values are based on government assessed values which are driven by tax need not real value. My own home increased in 'value' according to my state by over 17% last year alone and it's been going up at double digit rates for more than a decade. I've already been told it will increase 12% this year. Mortgages and Banks merely follow what the state says the homes are worth (see California for a prime example of this). Can we expect government to 'devalue' homes to appropriate levels and thereby reduce their own tax revenues?
2) government doesn't produce anything; as such, it's only method of generating spending budgets is through some form of taxation -- which removes money from the money from local circulation. Government, in reality, creates nothing in and of itself. The mode of government being the source of re-distribution of capital is an out-moded idea which never really worked. Where is the evidence that excessive taxation of anyone will result in better living/working conditions for the average united states citizen? Wasn't this tried before in the era of the 'luxury tax' and didn't it fail horrible, costing thousands of American jobs and killing a few industries along the way?
3) capitalism works on one basis only: keep the money moving. Whenever, where-ever it stops, recession results. If the rich are not investing in this country, then their surplus income is not benefiting our government but going overseas -- isn't that, at least as big a problem as corporate out-sourcing?
4) the idea that government knows what is happening with anyone's economy at any given moment depends upon the quality of data used for analysis - a lesson we should have learned during the Cold War period. Recent headlines (sadly unattended to) point toward the Bush administration actively misrepresenting published financial data for most of the past decade and I would venture to say that his administration was not the first. How can economic policy be viable if we lie to ourselves about our true economic condition in the first place?
5) your articles suggest that the excessive cost of living increases during the 1990's and 2000's is the responsibility of inadequate attention by government regulators, irresponsible corporate profiteering and the top 5% of the wealthy. Where in that equation does the cost of food, fuel and health-care come into the picture - since these things are borne by all citizens? What regulations would you suggest to control these factors fairly?
6) you propose more and stronger unions. I am certainly all for fair wage for a decent job. However, with the record of organized crime involvement in labor unions and excessive union contracts hamstringing the government and the automotive industries running back to the sixties - what method would you propose to assure a balance of power so that one side cannot unfairly treat the other - regardless whether it is labor or management?
7) you state that there is a finite amount of capital. Yet it would appear there is an infinite amount of debt. The current 'bailout' appears to simply move private debt to the public. by lessening the debt burden on private credit sources it's suppose to ease the current credit crisis. Doesn't that mean we're still encouraging people to live well beyond their means?
8) BB is moving debt around to save 'the system' -- whose moving the actual properties? I mean, this debt represents actual tangible property, a house, a building, a vacant lot, a partially built skyscraper -- okay, so if you relieve the bank of the debt and the bad loan -- isn't the actual property still out there on the street, unused, unsellable, driving down local property values?
9) who exactly are the 'middle class' or the 'middle income'? Our household income just barely reaches six figures and we're on the downhill slide toward retirement -- everywhere I turn, our taxes (and more and more often imposed 'user fees') are rising. Our income is stable to last year but despite having had a house fire only partially covered by insurance and putting two kid through college, our federal and state income taxes are higher this year than last. Have I become one of the evil 5% you talk about? Why don't I feel filthy rich?
10) finally, I live in a state where roughly 60% of the budget goes to education yet local school budgets raise additional bonding bills to maintain a double digit inflation rate even though school attendance is declining state-wide. If elected government officials are more interested in popularity and re-election possibilities than truly facing the hard choices and cutting budgets in a responsible fashion, how can anyone expect the private sector to do less?
11) I lied, one more: if we need money at home to fuel our own growth through government spending on jobs, infrastructure, yada, yada . . . why does our government give away billions (if not trillions) of dollars to governments whose people hate and try to kill us rather than give away billions of dollars to EDUCATE our own citizens so we can go out and invent new energy sources and products that the world will pay us for?
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