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Tuesday, May 20, 2008

The Cure for America's Chronic Recession

The biggest issue in the general election will be the economy. And despite what corporate cheerleaders and Wall Street optimists say, the economy is not reviving any time soon. We're in a chronic recession, or worse. What to do?

First, understand some history.

From the 1930s through the 1970s, we assumed that the biggest economic challenge was to avoid recession or depression. The problem was on the demand side: There just wasn't enough of it. So we came to rely primarily on government spending to keep the pump primed and demand up. As Richard Nixon declared in 1971: "We are all Keynesians now." He was almost right.

But then came the late 1970s, and inflation became a bigger threat than recession. Put simply, there was too much demand relative to the nation's productive capacity. By the end of the 1970s, inflation was running at double digits. Fed chief Paul Volcker put a break on it by hiking interest rates so high he almost broke the economy, too. From then on we assumed monetary policy -- specifically, the Fed's capacity to dampen demand by raising interest rates -- was the most important lever of economic policy. Demand-management via fiscal policy fell into disrepute.

But the biggest challenge now, as it was before the 70s, is lack of aggregate demand. Consumers don't have enough money in their wallets to keep the economy growing. And the Fed is stuck. If it cuts interest rates much further it risks pushing the dollar lower. But that will spur inflation as everything we buy from abroad costs more.

So what's the answer? We've got to go back to fiscal policy -- big time. The tiny checks the Treasury just sent out are barely enough to pay our rising fuel bills. We need a stimulus package that's truly up to the job of restoring aggregate demand.

The best and easiest candidate for the large-scale stimulus that's needed is spending on the nation's crumbling infrastructure. America has deferred billions of dollars of maintenance on bridges, sewers, water systems, levees, and dams. That's already cost the nation dearly.

Problem is, the public doesn't trust the government to spend money on infrastructure wisely. Why should it, when so many earmarks go to dumb infrastructure projects like "bridges to nowhere"?

So here's the deal: The next president should establish a national capital budget that lists infrastructure projects in priority order, for the nation as a whole. No more earmarks. The capital budget will reflect the nation's true infrastructure needs. The government would fund that capital budget the way capital budgets should be funded - through borrowing that assumes a realistic return to those capital investments. This is what any smart business does.

Infrastructure spending, guided by that capital budget, would inject adequate demand into the economy to get us growing again. At the same time it would create millions of new jobs. And America gets the infrastructure we need for the twenty-first century.

It's a win-win-win.

73 Comments:

Blogger AZ said...

I love you.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger T said...

If we contemplate "infrastructure" as more than just roads and bridges, then there must be a roll-back in the intellectual property expansion over the last three decades. When the government performed the research itself, all non-classified research was freely available to the private sector, leading to greater productivity. When the government starting contracting the work to private industry, the fruits of this research, although financed by taxpayers, became the IP of private industry, allowing for a foreclosure in competition, as well as the incrementalizing of progress.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger Josh Whitney-Wise said...

And don't forget, pumping money into infrastructure creates jobs that can't be shipped overseas. They're high paid union jobs that drive up wages all around. Highly paid government jobs have kept Europe strong for decades. Why can't we do the same?

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with you Robert, but good luck. What you would be competing against is the military industrial, intelligence, congressional complex, if that makes any sense. Taken all together, this group sucks all the oxygen out of the air. But who knows, maybe congress would do the right thing and go for the butter instead of the guns.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's excellent. Truly. But help me out: What can you suggest that will bring our tech jobs back?

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger kayxyz said...

Hire a portion of the workers to gently dismantle the excess houses. Lower house inventory and values might rise. Ship the dismantled stuff whereever it's needed.

I've read bamboo is the best building material for earthquake zones, because it's so lightweight. When bamboo collapses, little harm is done. Maybe we can shave all plywood into bamboo-sized strips and ship it where needed.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger Jim Driscoll said...

I'm with Az: nice stuff.

As for Anon 5:34, what makes you think that there isn't any technical infrastructure that needs work? It's not all bricks and sand...

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds a little like the WPA.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger Jesse Aaron Zinn said...

It's about time I heard a reputable economist say this.

And don't forget that we can pay for all of this by getting out of this war that is damaging our international goodwill infrastructure.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Blogger Mark said...

Investing in infrastructure is long over-due but this will meet a lot of resistance being that the US has over $9 Trillion in debt. Included in public works should definitely include 'green collar' jobs that will train our working class for the new economy while stimulating our economy. We could in fact mitigate the debt issue by dedicating much of the infrastructure work to Efficiency. With ever rising energy prices re-tooling our built environment to be efficient will undoubtedly be met with welcome arms.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Anonymous Alex said...

Rebuilding our infrastructure is great but we should not be borrowing money to build roads and bridges for Americans that can't afford to drive.

We are now spending $600 billion a year on imported oil and this amount will only get worse. If we are going to borrow money for anything it should be on energy efficieny and conservation and alternative energy sources. Until we plug the hole we shouldn't keep adding water to the bucket.

Tuesday, 20 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been tried before. Doesn't work. Think Japan.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Highly paid government jobs have kept Europe strong for decades.

Eurozone unemployment has averaged 8.35% since the introduction of the euro. Is that what you call keeping Europe "strong"?

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Francisco D said...

What we really need to do is sell the roads into private hands. You won't see any Big Digs or Minnesota bridges collapse when the owners face profit incentives and billions of dollars in lawsuits.
But then again what has the private sector ever done for us.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger Kieran said...

inflation in the 70s wasn't solely caused by aggregate demand much like inflation today. imported inflation via petrol and food prices played a major role in causing the inflation spike of the 70s -- a challenge to Keynesian thought at the time.
that being said, inflation isn't that high right now and real interest rates are negative. the fed has done what it can to increase aggregate demand. so increasing government spending, thereby increasing government debt might be justified as it should raise long-term productivity. today's youth will be paying for the debt-rollovers to fund such an infrastructure splurge, but they will be benefiting from it -- seems fair.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous John Frost said...

Infrastructure is more than roads and bridges. It's also schools, community centers, safer and more efficient shipping, and safety and health improvements as well. A federal government led effort is great, but there must be a focus on urban planning with an emphasis on moving away from sprawl and toward smaller sustainable communities connected by mass transit and personal rapid transit (such as light rail and people movers feeding the light rail).

As for the technology jobs, they'll come as industry equals technology today.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger J.Goodwin said...

Why should the president get to pander to his corporate supporters instead of congress?

At least congress represents a relatively diverse opinion of who should benefit from what projects, and there's a degree of horse-trading involved to even things out.

Having an independent or bipartisan commission review the state of infrastructure nationwide is a good idea, but it should not lead you to the conclusion that you then should give all of that authority to the president, whoever that president may be.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger HoosierDaddy said...

Anon 5:03AM

The difference between US and European unemployment is largely one of measurement.

Big Picture September 2007
So long as we are popping economic myths, let's also dispatch with the 4.5% unemployment rate. That number has been largely caused by several million exhaustees and others simply leaving the work force.

The actual unemployment rate is closer to 6.5%. And if we measured it the way the Europeans do, its closer to 8%. This explains why wages and labor costs have remained subdued despite the alleged 4.5% UE measure.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger notsofast said...

Robert says...
"And despite what corporate cheerleaders and Wall Street optimists say, the economy is not reviving any time soon. We're in a chronic recession, or worse".

The way the price of oil keeps going up, maybe "or worse" is looking more likely.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consumers don't have enough money in their wallets to keep the economy growing. And the Fed is stuck. If it cuts interest rates much further...

In the 80s, Reagan opened the flood gates for corporate raiders to consume company assets meant to keep our economy healthy. I am talking about pension funds, pay raise, bonus and benefit funds (for workers) and wise investments in business infrastructure like Research and Development, expansion, training, etc. For a long time now, all of the money that should have gone to consumers pockets has been wasted on the likes of Paris Hilton.

As you know, economic behavior is dictated by the economic playing field. Companies will always take the "downhill" path, virtually never fighting their way "upstream" even when that is what is plainly the wisest course. Our job is to figure out how to tilt the field in favor of WISE choices, and insure that choices against the best interest of our nation usually result in losses not profits.

Our failure to tilt the economic world BACK in favor of "We The People" has produced this "Two-Americas" situation where the unfathomably wealthy absorb 99.9% of all productivity growth. You ideas about "We need a stimulus package that ..." misses the point entirely.

Band-aids don't help with chain-saw wounds. Our situation is hopeless unless and until we go after the root of our problem.

P.S. I am a big fan, and I really love your work. Please don't take my counter-point as criticism!

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger Lizard Wizard said...

I know it's a little late, but would you consider leaving your cushy Berkely nest for a large mansion in Washington, DC? Oh well, never mind.

The concept (particularly with suggestions on the tech and energy focus) sounds dreamy. But it would get the talk radio blothians (I love that term for them, BTW) braying "liberal socialist" before the inaugural band stopped playing "Hail to the Chief." And since few pols will look anyone straight in the eye and proudly declare their liberal leanings, it would be DOA on the 1st day of the new term.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich,

I've written at great length that our country needs to look INWARD and take the necessary time to deal with its own pains and social-economic impoverishments. Part of the way (but not the only way) to get the funds for this is to bring our Defense expenditures down to an affordable level of 3.5% of GDP over the next 3 years. For Our military spending at 5-6% of GDP is bankrupting our Treasury. We simply have reached our financial limitations in being the world's Protector and Enforcer. We need to share this task much more with others.

We have a 10-12 year window to strengthen our economy as China during this time has its hands completely full with controlling its runaway growth. Such a strategic opportunity is rare in history.

I'm not suggesting we become weak militarily but that we move away from conventional troops to a very high-tech, fast-in-and fast-out fighting machine with maximum amount of duplication among our four forces (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines) eliminated.

Social-infrastructure investments, investments in alternative energy sources, and investments in improving gaps in our pre-college and worker educational systems will create hundreds of thousands of jobs over the next 10-12 years if stimulated and implemented correctly.

In this spirit, may I quote a great Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower -- which quote was just brought to my attention by Bernie Sanders, a U.S. Senator of Vermont and an Independent--:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a THEFT from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
Frank Thomas, The Netherlands

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger Unsympathetic said...

I almost agree with this post.

In addition to simply infrastructure investment, we need to revisit Carter's "moral equivalent of war" speech.

Infrastructure in and of itself does nothing to promote energy independence.

To make this a comprehensive, worthwhile, workable plan.. the USA needs to chart a course to a future without oil. Public transportation, both citywide and nationwide, needs to be financed and constructed. Urban sprawl must be a thing of the past.

Doesn't matter what kind of oil propaganda you want to believe in - the only stat that matters is EROEI.. energy returned over energy invested. In other words, how much energy are you expending to generate a barrel of oil? We're simply out of easily and cheaply extracted oil on the Earth, and our economy is currently adjusting to this fact.

What we as a nation can do is create a comprehensive plan to address our own energy needs. Oil won't go away, but it will become increasingly more expensive to pull out of the earth as time moves on.

In summation, the infrastructure investment and effort that is needed must be the electrical grid equivalent of Eisenhower's highway system. The heyday of the private automobile was nice while it lasted.. but we now need to find the next level. Coal? Wind? Nuclear power?

It's time to end the dependence on oil. Republican happy talk is ineffective; we need solutions.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger BaldApe said...

First, the thing we need to do is realize there is no one policy tool. This constant mind-changing ISTM is part of the problem.

Second, I recommend putting resources into expanding freight rail for long distance shipments, and light rail for commuters in every city.

The problem with earmarks in general is that they are a sneaky way of side-stepping any kind of review process. Not all of them are necessarily bad things.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger tlife27 said...

I wonder what your vision for infrastructure or capital development looks like in the face of our current energy problems. Specifically what model for community development do you think the infrastructure should be built to support.

Thank you for so many inspiring and insightful blogs.

Obama/Reich ‘08

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Been tried before. Doesn't work. Think Japan."
I'm thinking Japan and I don't see your point. Japan was already spending too much on public infrastructure projects before their bubble burst, so transferring workers from construction to public works just created bloated payrolls and inefficiencies. In the US there is a slack in infrastructure investment, so there is actually room to move builders and developers from the housing sector into public works.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Jojo said...

Yes, stop the earmarks. A lot of spending is buried in these devices that generally increase any bills cost significantly.

In fact, I would like to see all bills in congress be single function only, focused on the particular problem only. No amendments allowed that aren't germane to the actual purpose of the bill. Vote on the issue at hand.

This would make it much easier to understand what was being voted on and much more difficult to hide unrelated spending in.

I believe that doing this would lead to significant cuts in spending.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger notsofast said...

“The Fed lowered its economic growth forecast for the year. At the same time, it raised its projections for inflation and unemployment.”

This is probably great news for Barack Obama. He’s going to need help in overcoming the structural racism that would otherwise impede his candidacy.

As many of these poorer whites experience wrenching unemployment and higher inflation, an opening occurs for Obama to bring some of them along. He’s going to need these votes in critical swing states. Forget Kentucky; but Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. come to mind. The uglier the economy gets, the bigger the opening.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is off-topic but I read that the House has passed a bill to sue OPEC for high Oil Prices.
Either they are fools or they think the rest of us are. Why on earth would they attempt to do that?
I think I'm embarrassed...

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous John Q said...

I do believe we should make a massive investment in solar and wind power. We have large areas of desert in our southwest. Put in thousands of sun tracking reflectors and concentrators, and we could power the whole country. See http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp and http://www.solar.unlv.edu/amonix_system.php (Systems would need enough redundancy to cover cloudy days, and enough energy dedicated to storage of energy for night time/bad weather days - the storage is simple in concept, though it will take some engineering - lotsa jobs in that part alone!)

Unfortunately, we are not hearing anything proposed on this scale from any of our "leaders". It would take a Kennedy-like ("Man on the moon by decade's end") inspirational challenge. And yes, some tax hikes, both to lessen our rate of borrowing, as well as to pay some down on a massive project.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Blogger Oliver said...

High spending (without higher taxes) creates a deficit which creates inflation.

Running a deficit was what got America into this mess in the first place - how can you suggest that America should continue with that?

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently the commodities markets don't agree that there's not enough demand in the world. Add reckless government spending on capital-intensive infrastructure and oil prices will go to $1000. What's needed is killing the excess demand generated in the past few years by loose monetary policy. Let's get back to some fundamentally sound growth, not paper growth

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every nuclear power plant built gets paid for by 60 years of dollars we don't send overseas for oil or burn in coal. Construction jobs, high tech jobs. Jobs that you can't outsource. France has gotten 80% of their electricity from nucs for decades... the waste is kept in a single warehouse.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous Puppyjive said...

The schools in my small town in Eastern Oregon have had to invest most of their money into rising salaries for teachers and the administration. The infrastructure is now crumbling and they want voters to approve huge property tax increases to fix the schools. At what point does the cost of living decrease? Are the demands of our teachers so high, they are ignoring the house that feeds them? We all want more money so that we can buy more things. We have to quit buying the things we don't need and start thinking about the future. This country needs a correction in the worst way. Our homes need new paint, but we would rather drive a SUV. The downside of capitalism has hit us squarely in the face.

Wednesday, 21 May, 2008  
Anonymous L Emery said...

Just listened to your podcast on MarketPlace. I totally agree with you on focusing in fiscal policy to further develop our crumbling infrastructure. My only worry is whether or not we have enough skilled engineers domestically to accomplish this gargantuan task.

How about, while patching up our highways, bridges, and roads, we also implement regional public transportation projects. For example, something similiar to the shinkansen(bullet train) transportation network in Japan.
If we used high speed maglevs, that would decrease our dependence on fossil fuels as well.

These networks can be developed along side of the interstate highway network. After these regional transportation systems develop we can figure out a way to link them nationally. This would spur employment, reinvigorate the "can do" spirit of our country, and allow global competition to contribute more to our domestic economy.

science.howstuffworks.com/maglev-train.htm

Thursday, 22 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to my thinking the inflation of the 70's was caused by Pres. Carter's refusal to raise the Debt ceiling, and the new oil/old oil regulations that caused the oil shortages. Also, American wages have stagnated since the 80’s. The biggest reason for this is not foreign competition, but that most people get a new credit card instead of a pay raise. C-O's of companies are taking the real money and leaving workers financing their lifestyle with consumer credit. I wonder what the income to debit ratio is of most CE/F/I/OO in the USA?

Thursday, 22 May, 2008  
OpenID chiactivate said...

Josh Whitney-Wise said...

And don't forget, pumping money into infrastructure creates jobs that can't be shipped overseas. They're high paid union jobs that drive up wages all around. Highly paid government jobs have kept Europe strong for decades. Why can't we do the same?

what you forget to mention is that government owned companies and institutions count amongst the least efficent and productive.

what you also forget to mention is that in recent years the net available income in european households has been declinign instead of higher wages since consumer prices rose faster

Thursday, 22 May, 2008  
Blogger kwp said...

Dr. Reich,

I sure hope you emailed a copy of this to Senator Obama.

Thursday, 22 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the peaking of oil production? Fear conspiracy or reality?

If real, then it seems that we're in for a catastrophe.

Thursday, 22 May, 2008  
Anonymous sij said...

So the answer to irresponsible government is to give the government more responsibility?

I don't understand that one.

Actually, what smart business does is compartmentalizes their tasks. This is why we have states.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Make work" programs like rebuilding infrastructure financed with taxpayer money are really only short term ,feel good' efforts that fail to address the root cause of today's economic decline. In a consumer driven economy, it is necessary that he overwhelming majority of income flowing from the production of goods and services be recirculated back to the working folks who produce those goods and services. Simply enough the worker is the consumer and the consumer is the worker, and if they don't receive the majority of income from the sales of their efforts, they realistically can not purchase the product of their labors. Thus the rise in consumer debt to drive the economy, which by now is obviously reaching the natural limits of how much debt the working middle class can carry. Like it or not, a consumer driven economy can not have a lot of very rich people taking vast sums of income out of the producers' efforts without reducing the ability of the producer/consumers' to sustain demand . Simply put, we can not afford to have the concentrations of wealth that are becoming commonplace today. Capitalism has it's limits, one being that we can not afford to have more than a very tiny number of very rich people.
Similar conditions developed in the 1920's, leading to the economic collapse of 1929.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous whitemiller said...

This is a great idea, but nobody in the election campaign seems to be mentioning it besides Huckabee (who is no longer in the race).

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anon 12:49:

Amen!!!! Well said!

I do think Dr. Reich and most posting here understand that a push by the government to rebuild infrastructure is just a temporary measure but it gets people back to work at decent wages and fixes some serious problems that we have.

In the meantime we can address the other problems you talk about.

Personally, I feel that before we commence that kind of program we need to sharpen up significantly our engineering specifications for what is considered acceptable work. Much of the crumbling of our infrastructure is due to the shoddy construction efforts, poor material choices with a built in obsolesence factor to guarantee repair contracts. These are caused, often, by poorly written specifications and very poor oversight of the construction work.

Perhaps paying a little more and then requiring some sort of long term guarantees from the contractors would impove the quality of their efforts.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would have grave doubts of the federal government's role in using taxpayer money to award infrastructure repair contracts to favored contractors. One need only look to see how wisely contractors are selected and monitered in Iraq and their similar incompetent and corrupt performance with post Katrina. Freinds of friends in Washington will wind up with the vast majority of the money while a small numbers of temporary jobs are created. Hey, why not turn the whole program to Halliburton, Dick Cheny's old firm? They are quite knowledgeable on what to do with Federal money.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we finally can commit to expanding investment in infrastructure we should include "green infrastructure" in the mix... that is environmental restoration and enhancement of our nation's streams, rivers, and watersheds in both urban and rural areas.

We might even consider removing some poorly placed dams to restore free-flowing rivers.

Jim Labbe

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Automation, heavy construction machinery, computers, to name just a few that have absorded what we call labor in this country. Infrastructure projects are really large capital spending outlays that juice the GDP numbers but in real time add little to either short or long term employment gains. In the West we no longer live in a labor intensive world and our leadership such as Dr Reich need to stop thinking in terms of the 30's rather then spawn another round of gov't debt and spending to create nothing more then a few points on the GDP scale.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Blogger Michael Haimson said...

May I suggest an idea?

How about we merge the Depts of energy/HUD/interior/agriculture/some other agencies into a single Department of the Interior, structure it like the defense department and fund them through the a combination of the capital budget and the general revenue.

The problem is that we don't have a serious internal development policy. We need to understand that infrastructure, agriculture, energy, housing and transportation are all interlinked and that setting up a system that is similar to the defense department in organization and runs like a business in the sense that it should be focused on long term returns on the investments the taxpayers have made. We need the mindset FDR had, a mindset akin to that of one of mobilizing for war.

Friday, 23 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not enough demand?! I must disagree.
The commodity markets are screaming
that we are at peak oil, peak wheat,
peak rice, peak platinum ...

This isn't about money supply, or Keynesian economics; its about too many people demanding too many physical resources from a finite planet! There is absolutely no economic theory that can allow the people of the world to consume physical resources like Americans.
They just ain't making any more oil, land, water, uranium ...

Spend on reducing our demand for all physical resources and finance the spending by eliminating the incentives for people to have more children, and penalize those who have more than 2.

People are now so isolated from the natural resources that make up their world, they have forgotten that half the fundamental equation of economics is "supply".

we_are_toast

Saturday, 24 May, 2008  
Blogger Caryl said...

I disagree that the economy is the most important issue in the campaign. In a recent poll 81% of Americans said they felt this nation was headed in the wrong direction. I believe that the economic situation is symptomatic of a deeper moral deterioration. I believe that we need to establish a truth commission and begin with the Kennedy Assassination and continue all the way to 9/11 and the practice of torture. Such a commission needs to be initiated by a body of concerned citizens, not bureaucrats and tenured professors, and it needs to establish some independent forum for the dissemination of its research and discussion. The modern American press is utterly hopeless and Americans need to declare their independence from it. Perhaps we could re-establish debates and discussions on the level of the small town, like the Lincoln-Douglas debates; and allow in no members of the press, only stenographers and note-takers from independent websites.

Saturday, 24 May, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anon 7:10:

Though some wisdom in your remarks you do tend to mix apples and oranges. Peak oil and peak platinum and peak anything that is not regenerative is a serious delimiter to our continued existence. Thus the ever important need for science and technology.

Shortages of minerals will drive innovative discoveries of alternatives. In much of the world, even in the US, there are vast acres of uninhabited land, albeit a finite resource.

Water? We already have viable methods for converting salt water to fresh water. Current costs are the delimiter to any massive ventures to increase those activities. There is always the problem of energy consumed and released into the atmosphere but with growing sea levels from global warming the supply would not seem a problem.

Rice, wheat are regenerative. Supply can be increased by substituting one crop for another. Unfortunately, economics usually trumps social welfare.

Population growth is always a difficult problem. No doubt there is some physical limit out there in the far future but Malthus has so far been proven, at best, premature. In the interim, if we need workers to produce necessities, even forgetting "stuff", and we have an aging population which is growing yet unable, at some point, of contributing to production efficiently, then a growing population is needed to support the necessities for them as well as all of us.

Science and technology has created many options for our continued health and our continued pleasure. Our continued existence will require new scientific solutions at warp speed.

Though I believe that mankind has the ability to conjure up improvements and innovations that will allow its future for quite awhile, I find it hard not to agree that in the long run "we are toast".

Saturday, 24 May, 2008  
Blogger ty_010 said...

@t - ty for the info, very very interesting

@anon "competing against is the military industrial," yup, for all intents and purposes the military-industrial is a drain on our GDP. If those resources were directed elsewhere we could reap benefits.

@anon "bring our tech jobs back?" - Fund a green revolution and we'll create new high-tech jobs.

@alex you're right, we should be borrowing money to build a good public trans. system.

@chiactivate "government owned companies and institutions count amongst the least efficent and productive." So says the common wisdom. The truth is that you 'use the right tool for the job' As much as Adam Smith distrusted govt. He saw a worse disaster in having a company (East India Co) perform govt. functions.

@haiman- verrry interesting stuff. I agree that we need a cross-dept 'Full Infrastructure' development. I don't know about your merger solution. And I definitely disagree with "like business in the sense that it should be focused on long term returns " business is well known for taking the short term.

Saturday, 24 May, 2008  
Anonymous LJM said...

If they sell series EE savings bonds like they used to that pay 6% to pay for the projects, I'm in.

Saturday, 24 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

art a laymen

As someone who has worked in the science and technology fields most of his life, I can't share your faith that science will come up with something to solve our physical resource problems. The "they will come up with something" approach to the future is not a plan I want to trust my life, nor the lives of my children and granchildren.

Your proposals of desalination of water, and crop rotation, are not viable solutions due to the same economic and technical problems that many other supposed technical solutions are now being confronted with. A couple of examples would be corn ethanol, desert irrigation farming, and high concentration petroleum fertilization/insecticide/herbicide
based farming (as is most of Americas agriculture).

If the goal of our economy is to promote the physical resource intensive lifestyle Americans are used to, it has 0% chance of success without denying those resources to most of the rest of the world. We can do this through war, or through the support of brutal dictatorships who will deny their people a basic standard of living in exchange for a small cut of the pie.

I'm afraid the only other way to save the current American lifestyle, and to prevent the holocaust of global warming, is to begin now to reduce ours, and the worlds population, to the point where economies can be sustained with renewable resources. We unfortunately, are a long way from that point.

we_are_toast

Sunday, 25 May, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anon:

Let me state at the outset that as scientist I would make an excellent shoe shiner. My familiarity with technology is as a user and an admirer but I understand little of how corn becomes ethanol.

That said, I think we can see some events in history that suggest possibilties exist. The historic one being the race to the moon. There have been many others such as the expansion of scientific limits in microchip development by Intel.

In our culture our greatest asset is also our greatest liability when it comes to research and development; our economic model. Throughout the 20th century and before, potential profits were the driver of state of the art inventions and innovations. Many of these resulted in more "stuff", improving lifestyles and pleasure but often adding little to the true welfare of mankind. Many of these innovations were byproducts of research funded by the government.

In recent years we have seen funding budgets for research and development decline, some by large numbers. It is understandable, but a failing nevertheless, that industry does not undertake to invest their resources in especially difficult or even questionable endeavors that might prove futile and/or do not promise, in the near term, definable profits. That to me suggests that our government must take the lead in expending funds to create, test and produce projects which push the scientific envelope. This can be done by direct control or by subsidizing private industry. The latter to me is less desireable simply because private industry cannot be trusted to keep the profit motive out of the equation. The "splash and dash" practice in biodiesel production is a perfect example. Manipulating a process to take advantage of government subsidies to provide profits instead of enhancing a potentially better methodology.

We have seen example after example of capital, like water, seeking the path of least resistance to attain increased profits. Nowhere in the current model is there any interest in improving the plight of mankind. We do hear all the euphoric blather about creating jobs and higher standards of living for peoples in underdeveloped countries but that is a straw man. The goal and the purpose is improved profits, no more and no less. In addition to more reliance on our scientific community, changing this paradigm is the most important hurdle we face.

As difficult as scientific innovation may be, it is far easier than attempting to change the habits and propensities of 6.7 billion people. China and India, in the early stages of building economic systems would find it easier and cheaper to address environmental issues now rather than wait until their industries are entrenched in wasteful and environmentally damaging infrastuctures.

Do we need to alter our habits, our modes of living? No doubt! We will not be able to effect enough individual change, fast enough, to keep the toast from burning. Our, and the world's leadership, need to focus on scientific solutions while at the same time motivating changes and deincentivizing current practices in our daily living.

I do agree with you that physical resources are finite and the growth of heretofore undeveloped nations is excerting a strain that puts civilization heading down the stretch, quickly approaching the finish line. We, sorely need a combined resource effort, from all the players, worldwide, to bring about improvements quickly. We can't control the rest of the world but we can lead which is what we have been renowned for and hopefully they will follow.

Is it all possible? Who the hell knows. We do know that if you do nothing, then nothing advances. Industry, ours predominately, must alter the profit paradigm. Wall Street will have to give up the import they assign to year over year profit growth of 15 or 20 or 25% rates. The captains of industry will have to decide that survival is not tied to absurd salaries but to innovation and invention in new frontiers. They may have to segue to a system where the highest paid employees are those involved in R&D rather than those reclining in the comforts of the executive suites. Companies at all levels, but especially the major players, will have to understand that social responsibility trumps shareholder responsibility. Simple little workarounds are not the answer.

After the oil dilemmas of the 70s, US auto makers, out of necessity, commenced a shift to the manufacture of smaller more fuel efficient cars. Urgency was a factor but they took the easy way by just making cars lighter, sacrificing safety. Competition, from foreign suppliers, forced them to improve safety as well but in their constant playing catch up they then shelved further fuel efficiency seeking to make bigger vehicles with higher profit margins. Everyone knew that the future of oil was suspect but the business model requires making hay while the sunshines. They ignore the fact that a significant portion of the day is dark.

Tax cuts is another straw man, pushed mainly by conservatives. The Reagan era began the decline of wages of everyday workers minimally offset with the minor assuaging of lower taxes. Even as GWB advanced to the White House, there was no huge clamber for lower taxes. The idea that we pay too much in taxes has gained further strength because wages have gone nowhere and the only option the worker has is to rail against the government tax policy. Little is to be gained by telling your employer that either he raise your wages or fire you.

Population growth is clearly a problem. But that's a huge slippery slope; a full fledged Pandora's Box. Babies happen by planning and by accident. My understanding of China's success in attempting to control births is, at best, sporadic. The logical extension of birth suppression is forced sterilization or, at worst, elimination of excesses. Even at 2 children per family, in theory, you are maintaining the current population levels and we know that our current physical resources cannot accomodate that level without some serious scientific advancement. Ever increasing life expectancy exacerbates your solution.

We have some real serious problems, both here and around the world. A constant appeal for changes in the living styles of the populace is indeed necessary but if we can't rely on science and technology to help us out of this mess, we are not toast, we are burned to a crisp.

Sunday, 25 May, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich,,

These posts reveal how people are accepting the need for some cultural or lifestyle changes as well as a need for accelerated science and technology innovation to keep our heads above water in the resource supply vs. demand survival dynamic over the next 50-100 years!

Increasing life expectency, only 2 children per family, CHINA and INDIA (not to exclude potential follow-uppers in Latin America) at the very beginning of their Industrial Revolutions all spell an ominous demand on scarce natural resources that is mind numbing.

That is why I think we have to shaply take some initiatives as well as learn much as we can from other nations who are taking small but significant actions to confront the reality of the dire necessity for NEW THINKING in todays' world order.

And the foreign examples are many: the Japanese with their great advances in introducing hybrid cars and they'll probably be first with a replaceable electric or hydrogen engine for most cars within the next 4 years; Europe and Asia with their much smaller car designs having 35-45%
greater fuel efficiencies and increasing these as fuel costs now have reached -+$8.50 a gallon; Europe with its mass focus on modern mass interconnecting modern (pleasant)transit systems and emphasis on bicycle paths; Europe with its recent EU critique and investigation in obscene executive salaries that have no relevance to performance let alone moral justification (even though executive salaries here are already well below those in the States for comparable work respoonsibility); Europe where citizens in general see a return for their higher taxes in the form of well- maintained infrastructure and reasonable social protections when times are difficult; Europe where health care systems are lower cost and all-inclusive, etc. etc.

What's got America out-of-balance?

The corporate paradigm in America reversed in the last 25 years: FROM:....CUSTOMERS
.........EMPLOYEES
.........SHAREHOLDERS

TO:......SHAREHOLDERS
.........CUSTOMERS
.........EMPLOYEES

I suggest we need a change of priorities by all concerned TO:
.........EMPLOYEES
.........CUSTOMERS
.........SHAREHOLDERS
.........SOCIETY

The shakeout in the economy now is far more serious than that in 2000 and 2001 which was mainly caused by a collapse in capital spending, that reached 13-14% of GDP. In contrast, the causes of the current bubble are TWO-FOLD: simultaneous Property and Credit
bubbles, that have reached almost 80% of GDP -- obviously having a far more serious impact than the 2000-2001 recession, and really approaching the scope of the structural breakdown of Japan in the 1990s.

As I have said in prior posts, under a climate of deregulation and loose money, Americans have been using the equity on their homes and a system of sloppy credit card controls to supplement their weak income over the past 10
or 20 years. This personal casino play with no or limited supporting assets has reached its tragic limits.

This reality can put very serious future limits on America´s Economic Model of Consumption ... unless major reforms are undertaken soon.

This also means, as I have been saying, that adopting policies to stimiulate Consumption may be self-destructive as they push the trade deficit up and the dollar down, UNLESS accommodated by powerful incentives to encourage SAVINGS.

The latter are critical to the INVESTMENT component of the economic cycle by enabling banks to lend money for investments in slow times as well as good times --thus providing a greater stabilizing CUSHION during slow times. That´s why a more intelligent strategy would be to
focus on INVESTMENTS in pre-college educational and worker training systems, alternative energy programs and incentives, infrastructure, health care for all, etc. Also, this strategy will eventually lead to greater exports of related KNOWHOW from such investments -- which in turn will help the Dollar's recovery.

Getting the investment strategy mix right will not be easy. It requires recognising the reality that crippling housing and credit bubbles COMBINED with CYCLICAL downturns (like occurred in Japan) do not lead to just 2 or 3 year slowdowns nor do they respond to quick fixes. Such simultaneous crisises can endure for some time
(e.g., over 12 years in Japan).

So FUNDAMENTAL changes are necessary and not comfort giving BANDAIDS. These include, without any pretention of my being complete or having the final answers by any means, some of the following action steps:

1. Stop Bush´s tax cuts going to top 10% of society; give 85% of any cuts to those earning below $150,000 (to pay off debts and continue consumption spending by that part of society contributing most to Consumption); pay for this (and possibly Obama's $1000 reduction to those earning $100,000or less) with a progressive tax increase on those earning above $250,000 a year.

Alternatively, consider cancelling Bush´s tax cuts and replace them with a new tax rate system focused on 10-15% lower taxes rates for incomes below $150,000 to be paid by raising tax rates for those earning more than $250,000.

2. Adopt strict credit card restrictions along lines I outlined in an earlier post. This will help to improve Savings rather than stimulating excessive spending by consumers who are already overextended with debt.

3. Our Government should match European new forward targets for vehicle efficiencies. Current Bush targets are an insult to anyone's intelligence and make us appear as greedily feeble to the rest of the world when it comes to energy efficiency. And the irony is we consume the most per person and we still pay the least per gallon vs. Europeans and Asians.

4. Offer a tax incentive for all existing and/or new vehicles that convert to hybrid fuel use and an even higher tax incentive for conversion for new cars having only an electric, biofuel, or hydrogen engine. Remember, most car trips are less than 30 miles, and in an aging population this statistic will become more relevant. These people particularly (as well as many single and young buyers) will likely prefer small, well-engineered, lower-priced cars.

5. Consider offering a 10 year income tax haven period for all new company startup focusing on viable alternative energy sources, e.g., hydrogen, electric, wind, solar, clean coal production and conversion to liquified gas, biofuels, etc.

6. Tax oil companies at normal tax rates, eliminating any current special concessions. However, offer same companies a tax credit (to be determined) for each independently audited Dollar invested in alternate fuels and energy systems.

At same time, do not allow oil to be drilled in Alaska as this will only create possible environmental/terrorist destruction, and more importantly perhaps, will prolong our cocaine addiction to fossil fuels. The Shells and Exxons should be out of the fossil fuel business by 2050 (which is seconds away in terms of the earth's past and hopefully its future existence). If they don't understand this, then societies'institutions and innovative incentives for alternate choices should make them understand it ... QUICKLY.

7. Where will the money for the above (as well as for 100% health care coverage plus pre-college educational/worker retraining programs) come from? Here´s where the election campaign debate should be enlightening everyone. In this regard, it's amazing how any rational discussion of such questions gets brushed aside when one hears the Republicans continue to repeat false generalities that the Democrats are the party of TAX and SPEND, of BIG GOVERNMENT when in fact nothing is further from the truth.

Twenty years of Republican Presidencies from Reagan, to Bush Sr., to Bush Jr. all ended in annual DEFICITS averaging over 4.0%of GDP and Government never got smaller. Twelve years of Democratic Presidencies from Carter to Clinton ended in annual DEFICITS averaging less than 0.5% of GDP.

WHY? As I've noted before, because the Republicans (e.g., under Reagan and BUSH Jr.) balloon Defense Budgets and Interest on Debt cost while simultaneously cutting income taxes benefitting primarily the top 10% (who have a small impact on Consumption spending)... thus causing huge Deficits which they finance by printing money, borrowing from China, and/or cutting social/infrastructure programs which are already quite meager.

For at least $.60 cents of each Tax Dollar spent goes to DEFENSE (including Iraq/Afghanistan) and Interest on our National Debt
($9.5 Trillion), leaving less than $.20 of each Tax Dollar spent for social-infratructure improvements ... hardly a Big Pot of wasted money to cut.

So all this talk about cutting wasted spending (for example, $15-20 Billion on "Pork Barrel" projects (at least half of which are necessary) is complete PROPAGANDA. But the public and Media blindly continue to accept this political nonsense in the absence of independent professional analysis/confirmation of the facts as stated above.

Bush Sr. had to increase taxes after eight years of huge deficits under Reagan. The same fate faces the next President because of Bush's Jr. profligate spending on misquided concepts of preventive war and social-engineering democracy and freedom in the Middle East.

So where is the money coming from to concentrate on our INTERNAL social-economic improverishments?
How can it be raised without intensifying our already huge annual Deficits but rather in a way that will bring us to planned Budget Surplusses over next 4-5 years?


Here's a brief summary of some options:

(a) Get out of Iraq over the next 3 years: SAVINGS $-+ 175 Billion by 2011; remove conventional troops from Japan, Germany and possibly South Korea:
SAVINGS: $50 Billion; reduce duplication in Armed forces based on completing two independent consultant reviews: SAVINGS $50-75 Billion; (unlike Obama is saying) cut conventional forces down by 15-20% and invest in high-tech, fast-in fast-out forces while getting other nations to contribute more regional military forces: SAVINGS: $50-75 Billion.

Total Savings possible: -+ $220 Billion a year based on objective of getting Defense spending down to 3.5% of GDP by 2011 (close to where Clinton did during his Administration).

(b) Have a uniform central health care pricing system (as in Holland and, I think, Canada) resulting in premiums far lower than they are today. In Holland, for example, the Government sets doctors rates for operations as well as for all serious medicines, medications, and hospital rates. Result: not too much variation in basic premiums by insurers who then are forced to compete mostly on basis of service quality. SAVINGS: Too little information to estimate... maybe at least $120 Billion.

Reduce Medicare Administraion costs which on a relative basis are about 30-35% higher than in Canada. SAVINGS: $30-40 Billion.

(c) Have every taxpayer pay an added 1.0% tax that will go to a separate fund to stimulate and support investments in ALTERNATE FUELS. This would be in addition to the corporation tax incentive mentioned above. POTENTIAL FUNDS GENERATED: $$120 Billion.

(d) Implement a progressive income tax on all incomes above, say, $150,000 to pay for all other added costs including costs for upgrading pre-college education and worker retraining programs.

(e) Implement national standard that any employee dismissed due to outsourcing, mergers or acquisitions, downsizing (i.e., for reasons other than poor performance, or company bankruptcy) will receive at least one month severance pay for each year of employment; retraining costs will be from Government program funds mentioned above.

All the above just touches the surface of possibilities for a well-integrated attack at the issues. All figures and strategic combinations need to be computer model tested for accuracy and maximum harmonious effectivness.

The reality is that we need to Invest in our own society and this mainly means in the hard working middle class. Right now it hard to understand why the middle class accepts such a low return on its taxpayer funds ... while the rich get richer and the rest waits for some miracle to address the inequities in the system.

Will this require a paradigm change in how corporations look at profits as the primary measure of their success?

Well, the recent retiring President of Southwest Airlines for over 40 years had a strict policy that EMPLOYEES come first, then CUSTOMERS and SHAREHOLDERS. Is it surprising that this airlines has been perhaps one of the most consistently solid performing firms in the airline industry?

I have seen Governments in the more mature economies in Europe acting as the empire for a fair playing field for all participants engaged in life's various vocations. I've seen this done without comprising individual initiative, innovation, and commercial dynamics ... and not with high unemployment problems except in France and Germany (who are finally making major reforms with some obvious real success -- Remember Germany had to absorb poor, bankrupt East Germany).

So, it is possible to find new balances in our social-economic model that are more equitable, stable and, yes, more human ... while expanding on our uniquely innovative, risk-taking abilities. This takes leadership and a willingness to compromise and change for the betterment of ALL.

Above all it means addressing the problems with facts and rational thinking rather than deceptive, ideological labeling. Many are so cynical about our current political morass -- the so-called realism of the "down-and-dirty ways our political system works -- that while they recognize major changes are needed, they will settle for small incremental steps and bandaid solutions as the best that is possible.

If this view dominates, that we'll all get just what we deserve. The parasitical insiders and professional gamblers (under the protection of runaway deregulation) will continue to steal the show and leave the losses to Mainstreet. A social stratification and cultural decay will escalate that have the potential for bringing the house down.

On the Positive side, when we Americans get our act together as the DOER nation upon which we were founded ... and exploit sensibly the best of our conservative and liberal ideals for the Community as well as the Individual, there are few hurdles we can´t overcome.
Frank Thomas, The Netherlands

Sunday, 25 May, 2008  
Blogger Lamsing said...

Matching capital spending with capital projects is a good thing. I would submit that it is just as important to generate earnings through foreign sales. Notably, encourage China to spend part of their capital budget on goods and services provided by US companies.

Sunday, 25 May, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich,

Sorry, for these minor revisions:

Clarification:

The causes of the current bubble are TWO-FOLD: simultaneous Property and Credit bubbles affecting consumer spending, that together have reached almost 80% of GDP --

Correction:

Deficits under Republican Administrations since Pres. Carter term have averaged 4% of GDP versus 0.9% under Democratic Administrations

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich,

Last correction point (d):

... incomes above,say, $250,000 to pay for all other ...

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Reich's suggestion reminds me of a Vonnegut book I once read,"Player Piano". The U.S. government has failed its people and now the only solutions are depression era WPA projects.
I just have to ask, when Bill Clinton and Robert Roubin where selling this country to China in the 90's, where were you?
Where were you when Glass-Steagall Act was repealed?
The war in Iraq is a horrible disaster, but the corruption of the Clinton years are the destruction of the U.S.

Generational warfare is now breaking out and the "Century of Self" is over. We won't be hoodwinked into believing that simple next quarter companies and government "solutions" can be trusted with our livelihood and that the government can be trusted.
I am a post baby boomer and find that history will not be kind to them.

What this country needs is a good bankruptcy court and for the U.S. government to succumb to the fact that it needs a lawyer.

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

art a laymen, frank thomas

art a laymen,

We are in far more agreement than disagreement.

1) I agree that the selfishness and greed of conservatism has put my country and my planet in great danger. When Ronald Reagan removed the solar panels from the white house, the die was cast.

2) Increases in scientific and technological research are absolutely necessary to get us through the transition period needed to reduce our population to sustainable levels. I have to prefer the frustration and incompetence of government research than the the "sacrifice science for profit" approach of corporations.

3) China's population policies have actually been very successful. They are now near population stabilization. I believe the rest of the world can obtain similar results through economic incentives and disincentives rather than the draconian Chinese approach.

4) we do not need to convince 6.7 billion sheep to do the right thing, we need only convince a few hundred leaders (by whatever means necessary) to provide the incentives for their people to do the right thing.

It is not without a great deal of hesitation that I propose to poke a stick in the eye of evolutionary biology and the fundamental purpose of life itself (to cast our genetic material into the future). But population reduction is the only course I've seen, that has supporting data, that shows any possibility of preventing the global horror that is facing ours and future generations.

Frank Thomas
Thank you for your very, very, detailed posting.

I agree with most of your proposals and many are absolutely necessary. I would urge a bit of caution when it comes to the details of the dismal science. Economic theory is more concerned with the price stabilized distribution of available resources, rather than the equitable or greatest social benefit, distribution of resources.
Manipulation of the details of the dismal science may lead to opportunity costs in resolving the greater fundamental problems confronting us.

my $.02 we_are_toast

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

anon 7.32AM,

Thank you for your comments.

No doubt the stress on our earth's biological systems and energy resources is mounting, in major part due to population growth. But a very positive development is that the rate of world population growth is clearly on a downward trend. This is mainly due to a drop in fertility in developing nations, greater distribution of wealth, more and better opportunities and education for women, increased government support for family planning.

I see the stress coming as much if not more by the Industrialization or economic advancement of countries like India, China, Brazil, Malaysia with substantial populations all just at the early threshold of climbing into our high, enriched Consumption habits.

Current world population of 6.4billion is expected to grow to 7.0 billion by 2010, to 8.5 billion in 2025 (a marked slowing down). A doubling is certain by the end of this century to over 13 billion... all according to the UN Population Division.

This indeed spells big long-term problems. The symptoms of ecological stress reflected now in deteriorating ocean fisheries, grasslands, forests, and croplands is just the beginning. The resulting scarcity and price inflation will only intensify as a fact of life if not sufficiently assuaged by innovative technology and a gradual change to more modest spending lifestyles. But I don´t have a lot of hope for the latter happening in my remaining lifetime.

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was it a political decision to allow the sub-prime lending to expand in order to forstall a recession from the impact of the 911 disaster?

"Until 9/11, the subprime lenders were institutions that dealt almost exclusively with people who did not have perfect credit or lots of money. After 9/11, many of the larger, well known, prime loan mortgage companies and banks, that were historically conservative in their lending practices, got involved in the subprime market."
- http://www.moneymatters101.com/loans/subprime.asp

So now the recession is seen as a result of bad practices rather than giving any credence to terrorists?

Monday, 26 May, 2008  
Blogger notsofast said...

Anonymous Puppyjive said...
“We all want more money so that we can buy more things. We have to quit buying the things we don't need and start thinking about the future“.

Exactly: But resisting all of those seductive ads is easier said than done. When the goody master cracks his whip, most of us are all too willing to obediently comply.

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008  
Blogger notsofast said...

Frank Thomas said....
"I see the stress coming as much if not more by the Industrialization or economic advancement of countries like India, China, Brazil, Malaysia with substantial populations all just at the early threshold of climbing into our high, enriched Consumption habits".

And materialistic capitalism becomes a victim of its own success. As the tentacles extend further and further the likelihood for collapse under its own weight
grows. Not exactly what they had in mind when drawing up their plans for global domination. No?

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fiscal deficit spending is not going to be the entire answer. One point that was left out of the "history lesson" is that until the Great Depression, there was something called fiscal restraint. While it is true that the government did spend us out of the great depression, it did it through militarizing the economy for WWII. Domestic spending had failed to do didley by the time we entered the war, and had had nearly 8 years to work if it was going to work.

The economy has never been de-mobilized, and the people who like to quote Keynes have never fully quoted him. To be a true Keynsian, you should pay back the public till when times are good. He was not advocating perpetual deficits, but we have not had the political will to pay anything back. There is no logic in borrowing eternally. The true risk is that the rest of the world may decide to stop lending us the money to live beyond our means. If the government had to pay "real" rates for bonds, the bond price would go way up. Stocks would go down, and the "economic reporters (English majors without a clue) will cry about how bad things are. We are lucky that the world is still willing to lend us money, but how long can that last? Smart money may be in Bonds...

The inflation rate in the "developed" world is heating up. In the developing world, the inflation rate is already red hot. Look at Argentina, India, China,... We don't see the true inflation risk facing us if we only look at our domestic measures. Just as the world failed to see the credit crisis for what it is until it was upon us, we are not accurately looking at the true risk that hyper-inflation or stagflation in the developing world would pose. Those risks by the way are a de-stabilized China, India, ... as well as economic woes. Germany between the wars is a relevant study...

The decline of the dollar, is heating up the next crisis. The world works as a series of responses, and nothing is really planned out looking into the future.

If we try to spend our way out of recession, we will fail. I am sorry to say that the best thing that could happen to us is an engineered recession, and it could be a doozie that may last a long time. We have lived beyond our means for a very long time. The problem is that politically this is not a good answer, and there would be a lot of "unfair" consequences. Politics (and politicians) may not be up to the task. What then? I don't know.

I guess that means that I believe in a "natural" rate of growth, and we have exceeded it for a long time. There are good reasons to think that there is no such thing as a "natural" rate of growth, but politically I adhere to a more "Classical" way of thinking of economics. My reading of economic history is that you can get away from the hard rules of Classical theory for short periods of time, but time does catch up to you. "In the long run, we are all dead" is a joke, told by those who try to cheat time, but I think time does catch up. I just can't tell when.

But then what do I know, I studied economics, and the only thing I know for sure is how to tell what happened, and how to draw a "very special X".

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hillary and Bill arnt part of our party and if we dont do something a lot of us wont stay in a party whit them.
It wont go away.

Tuesday, 27 May, 2008  
Blogger Thinker13 said...

I always get depressed reading Mr. Reich's ideas on the blog, or hearing them on NPR. They're sensible, reasonable, well-thought out. I like them. Then I realize that no one but him is talking about them. Then I get depressed.

Keep 'em coming.

Wednesday, 28 May, 2008  
Blogger Big Mama said...

How will we keep the national list of infrastructure priorities from getting politicized in a way that just duplicates the whole "earmarks" process?

Friday, 30 May, 2008  
Blogger m said...

Terrific Idea for the National Capital Budget

Sunday, 01 June, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But the biggest challenge now, as it was before the 70s, is lack of aggregate demand. Consumers don't have enough money in their wallets to keep the economy growing."
I stopped reading right here. How can a reputable economist say U.S. demand needs to be spurred? It already exceeds U.S. production by a big and unsustainable margin. It's foreign demand that needs to be spurred.

Monday, 02 June, 2008  
Anonymous jimk said...

Here is a solution....
The US and other developing nations should start a "grain cartel". This would set production and prices for food to the middle east.
We should balance global natural resource pricing.
That would bring $134 a barrel of oil in line with $134 a bushell of corn/wheat/oats.
If you can't beat them, join them.
Why are we not as smart as the Arabs????
Western culture has become too generous. We are paying to solve world humanity issues and the Arabs are wollering in cash. What have the Arabs contributed to the west other then selling oil?

Tuesday, 17 June, 2008  
Anonymous Bonnie A. Lackey said...

The thing that Americans have no idea about is the fact that this administration, since 2000 has siphoned (STOLEN) over $5.1 TRILLION DOLLARS from all of the Trust Funds...such as $1.4 TRILLION DOLLARS from just the Social Security Trust Fund alone. Then we can list the Military Retirement Trust Fund, the Railroad Retirement Trust Fund, the Federal Employee Retirement Trust Fund, the Federal Employee Hospitalization Trust Fund and the American Indian Trust Funds for starters!!! This is the reason that the Bush Administration started to scare America about Social Security running out sooner than we thought it ever would!!!

They tried at that time to shuffle us over to Wall Street, which by now, most who do have stock holdings have lost most of their value. There is no plan to pay this money back (taxpayers money) and no way to pay it back.

This Administration has also borrowed from 12 or more FOREIGN COUNTRIES. The top three are: Japan (over $600 Billion), Communist China (over $300 Billion), and the United Kingdom (over $200 Billion), plus there are nine more countries that we owe. All of these "LOANS" are backed by hard American Assets like U.S. Treasury Bonds and can you imagine the interest rate on these loans???

Where did the money go??? It went to fund the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and into the pockets of the Corporate Buddies of Bush and Cheney and every other Republican who had any push or power!!!

Cheney's stock options in Halliburton and it's subsidiaries, as of the end of 2006, had risen over 4000% since he took office, as an example.

The Bush "Tax Incentive" program for American Corporations to go abroad and "Globalize" allowed these companies to NOT PAY TAXES and to pay for "slave" labor in foreign countries...no minimum wage, no vacation or sick time, no workman's compensation or unemployment compensation...just robots doing what they are told...or else...for practically nothing!

American corporations ran like thieves in the night leaving behind American workers with no alternatives. In fact, they even left the cheap labor in Mexico behind to run to China or India...and that is why there was such an influx of immigrants to America...they also were left in the lurch!!! In Mexico, though, they left toxins leaking into Mexican rivers and injured Mexican workers with no help!

The NO CONSCIENCE MENTALITY which allowed the RAPING OF AMERICA has to stop!!!

We have established a dangerous precedence in both our approach to war and how to abuse American taxpayers!!! NOW LOOK AT THINGS...you can blame nine-tenths of it on the REPUBLICANS...whether or not you want to believe it...you can research it yourself and time will tell. Even now, the truth is starting to leak out!!!

Now we are the laughing stock of the world. Russia's invasion of Georgia was met by "If the U.S. can invade Baghdad, then we can invade Georgia".

When we try to enlist countries to support placing additional SANCTIONS ON IRAN...they laugh...as Halliburton and General Electric both defied American Sanctions several years ago and have multi-year, multi-billion dollar contracts with Iran to rebuild their oil refineries and provide other forms of energy for them!!!

That is why Halliburton moved it's headquarters to the United Arab Emerits from Houston as the UAE has free-trade with Iran!

The Chinese laugh at us talking about Human Rights when we extricate people and take them to Egypt and other nations to torture them.

We owe CHINA so much money that we are balancing on a dangerous precipice in telling them how to treat their people and deal with their adjoining nations! Don't even get me started with the TRADE DEFICIT.

BUSH COMPLAINS BEFORE THE OLYMPICS OF CHINA'S HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES, BUT HE HAD JUST TAKEN THEM OFF THEIR LIST OF HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSERS!!!

NOW THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION JUST LEISURELY ENDS THEIR EIGHT YEARS WITH BUSH TOURING THE WORLD AND CHENEY TYING UP LOOSE ENDS SO HE CAN RETIRE TO A VERY PROSPEROUS LIFE.

DID WE REMEMBER THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HIRINGS THAT MULCASEY HAS DECIDED THAT NO ONE WILL BE HELD LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABUSE AND NEGLECT BY ALBERTO GONZALEZ AND MORE. WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHOSE CIVIL RIGHTS AND DISCRIMINATION CASES WERE THROWN AWAY DURING THESE EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE BUSH TOLD THEM TO NOT ALLOW ANY PROSECUTIONS OF THESE CASES.

HOW ABOUT THE FIRINGS OF REPUBLICAN APPOINTEE JUDGES WHO WOULDN'T DO THE BIDDING OF THE POLITICOS!!!

OH IT GOES ON AND ON AND THE HORRIFYING FACTS ARE FINALLY NOW SEEPING OUT OF THE CRACKS IN THE SYSTEM. AMERICANS WILL BE HORRIFIED WHEN EVERYTHING IS FINALLY TOLD!!!

TODAY, McCAIN IS LINKED WITH THE EVANGELICAL CROOK REED WHO ALONG WITH THE CROOKED AND JAILED LOBBYIST ABRAMOFF BILKED THE INDIAN TRIBES AND FOOLED THE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS OUT OF MILLIONS.

YET THE McCAIN COHORTS BEAT UP OBAMA EVERY CHANCE THEY GET!!! McCAIN WOULD BE THE OLDEST PRESIDENT EVER IN OUR HISTORY AT 71 YEARS OLD. THE OLDEST PRESIDENT TO LEAVE OFFICE WAS 70 YEARS OLD. WITHOUT LIEBERMAN AND HIS WIFE (HIS "HANDLERS") FOLLOWING McCAIN AROUND AND CORRECTING HIM AT EVERY TURN, I DON'T THINK THAT HE COULD, REGULARLY, REMEMBER HIS NAME.

DID YOU KNOW THAT McCAIN AND HIM MULTI-MILLIONAIRE WIFE DO NOT FILE THEIR TAXES TOGETHER...SO IT DOESN'T MAKE McCAIN LOOK LIKE A RICH ELITIST, BUT HE LISTS HIS SALARY AS A SENATOR, HIS $56,000 MILITARY PENSION, AND HIS SOCIAL SECURITY PENSION AS HIS ONLY INCOME!!!

McCAIN'S HEALTH IS NOT SO GOOD AND HIS MEMORY IS WORSE. HE MAY HAVE BEEN A PRISONER OF WAR, BUT AFTER HE WAS TORTURED, HE DID GIVE INFORMATION TO THE NORTH VIETNAMESE...MORE THAN JUST HIS NAME, RANK, AND SERIAL NUMBER!!!

HE IS BACKED BY THE SAME SOCIOPATHS AND CROOKS THAT BACKED BUSH. IF WE WANT CHANGE, IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SAME AMERICA THAT MOST OF US WERE BORN INTO, IF WE WANT SOME HONESTY IN GOVERNMENT AND JOBS BACK IN AMERICA, IF WE WANT OUR SCHOOLS TO BE SAFE AND REALLY TEACH OUR CHILDREN WHAT THEY NEED TO SURVIVE IN THIS CENTURY WITH ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY WILL NEED, IF WE WANT PROSPERITY AND TO REBUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS DETERIORATING BY THE MINUTE, IF WE DON'T WANT TO SELL OFF AMERICAN ASSETS AND TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE...THEN WE REALLY NEED BARACK OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE MAN IS HONEST, HE IS UP-FRONT AND TELLS IT THE WAY IT IS, HE IS RESPECTFUL OF AMERICA AND IT'S CITIZENS...BLACK, WHITE, OR PURPLE...WE NEED INTEGRITY AND HONESTY BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

IF YOU VOTE FOR McCAIN...YOU WILL GET MORE OF THE SAME. VOTE FOR OBAMA FOR THE CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY!!!

Thursday, 14 August, 2008  
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