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Thursday, October 09, 2008

Deficit Shackles: Will January, 2009 Repeat January 1993?

Both presidential candidates have been criticized for failing to name any promises or plans they’re going to have to scrap because of the bailout and the failing economy. That criticism is unwarranted. The assumption that we are about to have a rerun of 1993 — when Bill Clinton, newly installed as president, was forced to jettison much of his agenda because of a surging budget deficit — may well be mistaken.

At first glance, January 2009 is starting to look a lot like January 1993. Then, the federal deficit was running at roughly $300 billion a year, or about 5 percent of gross domestic product, way too high for comfort. By contrast, the deficit for the 2009 fiscal year is now projected to be $482 billion, or about 3.3 percent of gross domestic product. That’s not too worrying. But if the Treasury shovels out the full $700 billion of bailout money next year, the deficit could balloon to more than 6 percent of gross domestic product, the highest it’s been since 1983. And if the nation plunges into a deeper recession next year, with tax revenues dropping and overall domestic product shrinking, the deficit will be even larger as a proportion of the economy.

Yet all is not what it seems. First, the $700 billion bailout is less like an additional government expense than a temporary loan or investment. The Treasury will take on Wall Street’s bad debts — mostly mortgage-backed securities for which there’s no market right now because of the slump in housing prices — and will raise the $700 billion by issuing additional government debt, much of it to global lenders and foreign governments. As America’s housing stock regains value, as we all hope it will, bad debts become better debts, and the Treasury may well be able to resell the securities for at least as much as it paid, if not for a profit. And if there is a shortfall, the bailout bill allows the president to impose a fee on Wall Street to make up the difference.

Another difference is that in 1993, the nation was emerging from a recession. Although jobs were slow to return, factory orders were up, companies were expanding, and the economy was growing. This meant growing demand for private capital. Under these circumstances, the deficit Bill Clinton inherited, combined with his own agenda, threatened to overheat the economy, causing inflation. He had no choice but to trim the deficit and abandon many of his plans, a point that the Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan, was not reluctant to emphasize. Unless President Clinton did so, interest rates would rise and the economic recovery would be anemic.

Next year, however, is likely to be quite different. All economic indicators are now pointing toward a deepening recession. Unemployment is already high, and the trend is not encouraging. Factory orders are down. Worried about their jobs and rising costs of fuel, food and health insurance, middle-class Americans are unable or unwilling to spend on much other than necessities.

Under these circumstances, deficit spending is not unwelcome. Indeed, as spender of last resort, the government will probably have to run deficits to keep the economy going anywhere near capacity, a lesson the nation learned on a large scale when mobilization for World War II finally lifted us out of the Great Depression.

Finally, not all deficits are equal. As every family knows, going into debt in order to send a child to college is fundamentally different from going into debt to take an ocean cruise. Deficits that finance investments in the nation’s future productivity are not the same as deficits that maintain the current standard of living.

Here again, there’s marked difference between 1993 and 2009. Then, some of our highways, bridges, ports, levees and public transit systems needed repair. Today, they are crumbling. In 1993, some of our school children were crowded into classrooms too large to learn in, and some districts were shutting preschool and after-school programs. Today, such inadequacies are endemic. In 1993, some 35 million Americans had no health insurance and millions more were barely able to afford the insurance they had. Today, some 50 million are without insurance, and a large swath of the middle class is barely holding on. In 1993, climate change was a problem. Now, it’s an emergency.

Moreover, without adequate public investment, the vast majority of Americans will be condemned to a lower standard of living for themselves and their children. The top 1 percent now takes home about 20 percent of total national income. s As recently as 1980, it took home 8 percent. Although the economy has grown considerably since 1980the middle class’s share has shrunk. That’s a problem not just because it strikes so many as being unfair, but also because it’s starting to limit the capacity of most Americans to buy the goods and services the nation produces without going perilously deep into debt. The last time the top 1 percent took home 20 percent of national income, not incidentally, was 1928.

Perhaps it should not be surprising, then, that the Wall Street bailout has generated so much anger among middle-class Americans. Let’s not compound the problem by needlessly letting the bailout prevent the government from spending what it must to lift the prospects of Main Street.

124 Comments:

Blogger kayxyz said...

Nov 4th Barack Obama needs to deploy attorneys and whoever else can make the calls to precincts to inspect any challenges to people's right to vote. He needs to take the gloves off with the Right Wing. Don't get me wrong, I want Roger Ailes and Karl Rove working double-time on their end to trick with the voting process. They weren't able to dance fast enough when ABC News outted Mark Foley in 2006. Let's see what they can manage in 2008.

Nov 5th should see Obama in George W. Bush's and Hank Paulson's face, with a SWAT team ready to settle the two of them down and give them both marching orders. Cancel all debt, public and private. Close all military bases. Cancel NAFTA. Whatever it takes.

For future military spending, I suggested before that someone with a level head look out into the future 5-8 years, decide what America needs, and write the defence budget accordingly. Stop given DOD blank checks based in fear mongering.

Regarding healthcare, somewhere online today I saw a petition sponsored by physicians for a single payer health care system. Doctors and surgeons will have to be the ones to speak out against the present system.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someday we'll use EEGs to test to make sure that greedy people, who's brain pleasure areas light up when they win,are never allowed to take positions of financial or political power.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger jhm said...

These are all cogent points, but what about Mr. Ayres?

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that Obama plans to appoint Mr. Ayers to be his Secretary of Homeland Security?

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What ever happened to the thoughts and concerns our founding fathers had like Jefferson? We have drifted so far from these concerns. So no wonder we are in the mess we are.

Founding Fathers Thoughts....

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live.. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance.

This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in it's train wretchedness and oppression." Thomas Jefferson

The way to have safe government is not to trust it all to the one, but to divide it among the many, distributing to everyone exactly the functions in which he is competent....To let the National Government be entrusted with the defense of the nation, and it's foreign and federal relations..... The State Governments with the Civil Rights, Laws, Police and administration of what concerns the State generally. The Counties with the local concerns, and each ward direct the interests within itself. It is by dividing and subdividing these Republics from the great national one down through all it's subordinations until it ends in the administration of everyman's farm by himself, by placing under everyone what his own eye may superintend, that all will be done for the best." Thomas Jefferson





"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous Oliversnit said...

I love it when people refer back to the "founding fathers". Our revolution started with capitalist business men angry over British taxing which was not all that much by today's standards.

I love it when we listen to the "wisdom" of Jefferson who owned slaves--free labor. So did Mr. Washington. If you own another person, you yield your moral right to advise others concerning freedom and how one should conduct national business to preserve freedom. This would be much like GW Bush making a post presidential speech on integrity and truth telling or heaven forbid, leadership.

NO ONE was complaining, other than Congressman Paul when the times were "good". The government, Wall Street is trying to keep a corpse propped up in the corner.

Go to youtube, com and look up Danny Devito's famous speech from OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. "if the yen does this, and the dollar does that...we are still dead".

Now let us all hold hands and sing Kumbaya and all will be well if we just visualize good thoughts.

Right.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

It'S all well and good to propose plans to keep the finance sector growing to infinity, but where is the ever growing infinite oil/energy supply going to come from, to power it?

With world energy peaking and about to go into decline, the notion that we can eternally grow consumption while supply declines, points to a logical disconnect.

Unless you're Flat Earthe that believes the oil in the Earth has infinite mass and volume.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger Don said...

Prof. Reich, Does Seb Mallaby's point still pertain:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/07/AR2008090701950.html

"How might this impact jobs and the economy? Under Obama's plan, top earners would pay a marginal federal tax rate of maybe 46.5 percent (that includes the Medicare tax and Obama's proposed hike in Social Security taxes), considerably more than the 37.9 percent they would pay under McCain. There's no doubt that Obama's higher tax rates would mean weaker incentives to work, take risks and innovate; and stronger incentives to waste time and effort on avoiding the tax man.

But those bad effects must be weighed against a good one: Higher tax rates mean a lower budget deficit. According to the Tax Policy Center, over the course of a decade Obama's plan would result in a national debt $1.2 trillion smaller than you would get under McCain's plan. Less government borrowing ultimately means lower interest rates and more private investment. This positive effect may well outweigh the blow to growth and jobs from weaker work incentives.

Tax hikes, in other words, are not automatic job destroyers. Joel Slemrod of the University of Michigan, a top expert on this subject, says bluntly, "There is no compelling evidence that a low-tax strategy is better for the economy over the medium or long run." Just look at the Clinton era. In 1993, the top marginal rate (income tax plus Medicare) was raised to 42.5 percent -- the same rate that Obama proposes but minus the candidate's proposed increase in the payroll tax. During the rest of the Clinton period, the economy generated millions of new jobs, and careful academic postmortems find that the 1993 tax hike caused little to no damage to the incentives of top earners."

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger kayxyz said...

From ITulip, the link to Nouriel Roubini RGE Monitor



At this point severe damage is done and one cannot rule out a systemic collapse and a global depression. It will take a significant change in leadership of economic policy and very radical, coordinated policy actions among all advanced and emerging market economies to avoid this economic and financial disaster. Urgent and immediate necessary actions that need to be done globally (with some variants across countries depending on the severity of the problem and the overall resources available to the sovereigns) include:

- another rapid round of policy rate cuts of the order of at least 150 basis points on average globally;

- a temporary blanket guarantee of all deposits while a triage between insolvent financial institutions that need to be shut down and distressed but solvent institutions that need to be partially nationalized with injections of public capital is made;

- a rapid reduction of the debt burden of insolvent households preceded by a temporary freeze on all foreclosures;

- massive and unlimited provision of liquidity to solvent financial institutions;

- public provision of credit to the solvent parts of the corporate sector to avoid a short-term debt refinancing crisis for solvent but illiquid corporations and small businesses;

- a massive direct government fiscal stimulus packages that includes public works, infrastructure spending, unemployment benefits, tax rebates to lower income households and provision of grants to strapped and crunched state and local government;

- a rapid resolution of the banking problems via triage, public recapitalization of financial institutions and reduction of the debt burden of distressed households and borrowers;

- an agreement between lender and creditor countries running current account surpluses and borrowing and debtor countries running current account deficits to maintain an orderly financing of deficits and a recycling of the surpluses of creditors to avoid a disorderly adjustment of such imbalances.

At this point anything short of these radical and coordinated actions may lead to a market crash, a global systemic financial meltdown and to a global depression. At this stage central banks that are usually supposed to be the "lenders of last resort" need to become the "lenders of first and only resort" as, under conditions of panic and total loss of confidence, no one in the private sector is lending to anyone else since counterparty risk is extreme. And fiscal authorities that usually are spenders and insurers of last resort need to temporarily become the spenders and insurers of first resort. The fiscal costs of these actions will be large but the economic and fiscal costs of inaction would be of a much larger and severe magnitude. Thus, the time to act is now as all the policy officials of the world are meeting this weekend in Washington at the IMF and World Bank annual meetings.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger S.Haw said...

Whichever candidate wins the election should call on W and congress to an emergency lame duck session to pass a public works bill. Direct grants to states for infrastructre, public transit and implementing green technology in the public sector will immediately put people to work and help prepare our economy for the future. In the long term, we have to rethink what it means for our posterity to have it "better" than we did, especially in a post oil economy. A better standard of living doesn't have to mean accumulating more stuff and instant gratification (which isn't sustainable anyway). How about more liesure time? Learning for learning's sake?

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger tiptoe said...

Thanks for the quick update on the stats. Domestic product, seems we're mostly a nation of service providers with less & less product.

"The top 1 percent now takes home about 20 percent of total national income." And that's where all the money is now, eh?

I certainly hope that you have a BIG part in the Obama administration!

tt

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger tiptoe said...

AIG has a lot of nerve!

They're STILL as greedy as ever. No shame.

I wonder if anyone will do anything about their forays to the toney St. Regis resort?

Can I go? Oh wait. I can't afford it.

tt

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous mike said...

Ordinarily, I respect your opinion, even when I disagree with you. In this case, however, I think you are way off base. We need to dramatically cut ooverall spending. We need to judiciously raise some taxes while cutting others. We need to reduce the debt. It is time for us to pay the piper, not to find ways to keep the plates spinning. Only then will we be able to deal with serious issues like SS, Medicare , universal health care and improved education and, yes, defense.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We certainly need to increase the upper bracket tax rates as well as firming up the capital gains tax code.

Lets put it really bluntly, the problem in America has NOT been under-investment in businesses, it has been a long term trend of dramatic OVER-investment, to the point were there was far too much money sloshing around after far too few real opportunities.

So, that money started making up its own ideas and telling itself ever more fantastic stories. Tech bubbles, Housing bubbles, credit default swaps - no scheme too crazy, no idea too outlandish, and few of them having anything to do with reality, and the actual spending power of Americans which was growing more anemic by the year, propped up only by yet more imaginary money - mostly credit and housing debt.

That's all over now, and a great deal of this volatile and wasted capital needs to be drained out of the system and put to use to re-invigorate basic employment and infrastructure - to start to create the opportunities for businesses to honestly and rationally invest in years from now when things finally recover from this horrid train wreck.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Anonymous blutown said...

We have done an exceedingly good job at defending this Country. We now need to do an even better job at creating a Country worth defending.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger Don said...

Jane Bryant Quinn on the deficit:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601212&sid=aGNmX_CHnYUk&refer=home

"Isn't any increase in the deficit a bad idea?

Not when the country stands on the brink of a financial disaster. Besides, the deficit -- although large in dollars -- isn't a problem at the moment, says economist Irwin Kellner of Dowling College in Oakdale, New York. It amounts to about 2 percent of the economy, well below the 6 percent deficits of the early Reagan years or 4.5 percent in the early Clinton years. The deficit will rise as the recession advances but not primarily because of the rescue activities."

And Roubini is indeed for a stimulus, along with Summers, Kuttner, Krugman, Sen. Obama, and you.

Thursday, 09 October, 2008  
Blogger T V Selvakumaran said...

(Continued on October 9, 2008)

Q11. What about the co-ordinated rate cut of 1/2 percentage point that the US Federal Reserve carried out along with several European banks announcing rate cuts all at the same time on Wednesday, October 8, 2008? Was it a good idea? What about the IMF/World Bank meeting this weekend of October 10 - 12, 2008, and the G7/G8 Finance Ministers' meeting on this Friday, October 9, 2008? Should they decide to take joint action?

A. As I have already mentioned in my answer to Q9, there is no further role for the US Federal Reserve in this crisis. I do recognize the crucial contribution made by the Federal Reserve to provide liquidity in the global financial system. However, the crisis is no longer a financial one. Throughout 2007 and the first half of 2008, people talked about a Mortgage Crisis. Then sometime during this summer, the focus shifted to a Financial Crisis. But now, it is clear that the experts in modern finance would not be able to solve this crisis. It is now an Economic Crisis. However, it is definitely important for the Federal Reserve to consult and communicate with the central banks in the rest of the world. But, to go beyond professional consultations and to try to cut rates in a co-ordinated fashion is quite ill-advised. The main reason for this is that the current crisis is hitting the global financial system at varying degrees at different times. So the same response at the same time from all the central banks would be spreading the resources at their disposal very thin. They definitely need to consult with each other to keep themselves informed about how the shock in the financial system is spreading across the globe, but they would have to figure out their responses individually.

Regarding the G7/G8 Finance Ministers' meeting, there is a group of 18 financial economists who have written a 38-page document (http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/2327) asking the finance ministers to take joint action like (1) quick bank re-capitalization with global co-ordination, (2) guarantee of deposits and/or loans with global co-ordination, (3) co-ordinated macro-economic stimulus. This is just very bad advice. I hope that respected economists would come forward to advise against this recipe for unmitigated disaster. As I said before, this crisis can no longer be solved by modern finance theory. There are no quick-fix solutions with rate cuts and reverse auctions. In this regard, there was a perception that a two-pronged strategy to address the short-term and the long-term should be employed. Unfortunately, this well-meaning approach has played into the hands of the loose canons, who proposed a $700 billion plan for the short-term. It is very encouraging to see that highly respected economists have weighed in that the doomsday predictions are wrong, and that there are no easy, quick-fix solutions (ref: Wall Street Journal articles, "We're Not Headed for a Depression" on October 7, 2008 by Professor Gary Becker and "There's No Easy Way Out of the Bubble" on October 9, 2008 by Professor Vernon Smith. Also, Professor Joseph Stiglitz had expressed dissatisfaction with the design of the $700 billion dollar bill and has called for its revision after its passing in the US Congress into an Emergency act). As I have explained in my answer to Q1, we have to look at macro-economic phenomena, like accumulated capital and time value of money, to come up with the proper solution for this crisis. And indeed, from a macro-economic perspective, this current crisis is quite within manageable proportions. To illustrate this point, I quote from Professor Edmund Phelps' Wall Street Journal article of October 1, 2008, "Among most economists, it came as a surprise that the banking industry, and, indeed, most of the financial sector, was so devoted to houses. ... ... And we didn't foresee that a trillion or two of losses in an economy with $40 trillion of financial wealth could bring high anxiety and, two weeks ago, near panic".


Q12. Why are you so much against the further involvement of the US Federal Reserve Bank and of the US government in solving this crisis that you want to call an Economic Crisis? Just because you think that the $700 billion plan was a bad idea, do you want to conclude that nothing should be done in the short term? Also, there are frequent reports that the losses in the stock markets and in the house prices amount to several trillions of dollars of loss in wealth. Shouldn't the government do something to stem these losses?

A. Well, first of all, no serious mathematician would pretend to know any theory that explains the day-to-day price changes in the stock markets. Moreover, I have already expressed my disappointments in my "Update 3-2: A Mathematician's Apology" (dt. September 21, 2008) about the failure of mathematical theories of economics to adequately capture the subtle issues in the economic reality of the day. That said, I would like to point out the much bigger losses in having an out-of-control Treasury Department and a dysfunctional Federal Reserve -- their misguided and arbitrary meddling in the functioning of the markets have effectively nullified a century's worth of intellectual capital. Price theory, Growth theory, Economic of Asymmetric Information, Econometrics and Behavioral Psychology are all areas of modern economics that have many deep insights to make about the current financial crisis. However they have all been rendered ineffective, because of the treasury's buffoonry -- it has been claiming expertise in pricing mortgage securities that no one knows how to price.

The main issue to note is that in spite of all that has been written about this current financial crisis and the earlier mortgage crisis, it is still not clear why there was a bubble in the house prices. Professor Robert Shiller's "Irrational Exuberance" is the classic reference for the tech bubble of the late 90s. The methods of econometrics and psychology employed in this book provide a convincing explanation for the tech bubble. The valuations of the tech stocks were very arbitrary and each tech stock could rise or fall by 100% or more within a week during the euphoric times of the late 90s. However, it is not completely transparent why there was a housing bubble during 1998 -- 2006. A convincing explanation of this phenomena would take years in my judgment. So, it is not advisable to skirt or short-circuit the political process to rush through quick-fix proposals that would supposedly solve the crisis.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Mark said...

Sir, you say "As America’s housing stock regains value, as we all hope it will..."

I must object, as I do not hope it will. Housing is still far too expensive. The Case-Shiller index of 20 metropolital areas still registers 66% from 2000 prices, a rise which is not matched by incomes as far as I am aware.

What you call "value", I, as a renter and future home buyer, call "price". I am baffled by talk of high home prices being a good thing, especially coming from progressives who are supposed to be for "affordable housing".

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

"A corporation's purpose is to acquire money. A corporation will seek the cheapest way to acquire it. If you desire that corporations produce a beneficial impact in a community, state or nation, then you must structure the laws so that every corporation can only make money, while producing the desired impact. If every corporation is held to the same standards they will contribute to the community and seek maximum profits. But it's only fair if they all must follow the same rules. Then real competition can drive the industry."

Exactly. The Federal government needs to seed industries that produce jobs here and with the intended results. If laws need to be changed to bring about these results, then so be it. Offshoring profits and avoiding taxes is not acceptable. Hiring cheap labor abroad and then importing into the American market is not acceptable. If tariffs are necessary to equalize the cost of production in the US vs production abroad, then those tariifs should be put in place. Other countries operate this way; so should we. Corporations, while pursuing private profit, should be forced to operate in a framework that results in their producing a social good. Government has to control this framework. Corporations should not be allowed to play one state or one muicipality off against another. If laws need to be changed, so be it.

If government provides seed money, or subsidies or tax breaks, then it should do so in the interests of the general welfare and not in the interests of corporations as specified by their lobbyists. No more crony capitalism and "no bid" contracts! Pursuit of private profit with no regard to the general welfare has gotten us into this mess. If government can not be made to work in the interests of the average citizen and taxpayer, what good is it? What does "promote the general welfare" mean if lobbyists dictate the terms?

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, but the real question is what can a father of 5 with a reasonable 30-year fixed mortgage and his vehicles paid off do about it?

"We need more consumer spending" doesn't really help me. How do I get from 40 to retirement in this kind of market and still feed my family? I saw trouble a couple of months ago and moved most of my investments into government bonds, but other than that, not much I can do besides REDUCE my spending.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Chris D. said...

"As America’s housing stock regains value, as we all hope it will, bad debts become better debts, and the Treasury may well be able to resell the securities for at least as much as it paid, if not for a profit."

America's housing stock will lose net value against inflation over the next 30 years.

-More Boomers looking to downsize or "cash out" more than the poorer generations behind them are willing to pay.

-Many older homes are too small and at the end of their lifespans.

-Many newer homes are so shoddy that they will soon reach the end of their lifespands.

-Houses in the growing number of "bad neighborhoods" with "bad schools" will roll back to 1995 prices and then only keep pace with inflation (maybe).

The general run of your comments is well taken. But this assumption is the weak leg of the stool.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous J. Spofford said...

peak oil peak oil peak oil peak oil

There will never be growth of the kind we have seen in the 20th century ever again. This is not 1993, this is the start of something else - something no one in the mainstream - including BOTH the candidates - has elluded to or addressed yet. Just wait.

www.lifeaftertheoilpeak.net

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich,

Unlike Europeans, in general Americans don't learn from past social-economic mistakes. Self-criticism and disciplined systemic improvements inevitably fall pray to laissez-faire market thinking, unbalanced political ideology, and pure greed. We seem to enjoy financial crisises, irrespective of their worsening nature.

Reminds me of what a, life-long fellow Mainer and dear friend said to me once in our high school days,
"Frank, the difference between you and me is that I know my Limitations." There's a wise 'double message' there that's also applicable to our nation's political leaders.

Yes, the ironic truth as you say, Dr. Reich, is that we now need Constructive Debt to re-energize our economy as opposed to the years of Destructive Debt in the form of financial paper pyramiding parade of exotic (high risk) debt instruments.

We should certainly allow very weak, mismanaged smaller banks to fail. We can't save all the culprits. But at the same time, we cannot let market forces take their revenge on the globally connected large financial and insurance institutions like AIG, Freddie and Fannie. Too big to fall is the sad, painful truth ... despite some geniuses who are self-confidently spouting the opposite, e.g., "dynamic banking system destruction" with no limitations.

I will comment more specifically to your remarks here later. So forgive me, as I now feel compelled to go off theme for a minute or two.

For the past 3 or 4 days, Europeans have been watching TV clips of McCain and Palin elevating crowd hysteria and even emotional hatred with their fear-mongering, lying innuendos and demonization of Barack "Hussein" Obama. McCain has lost it with his desperate megalomaniac personal attacks against Obama accompanied by the gleeful, verbally sniping support of Palin. It's gone so far that not one of his conservative followers in the crowds -- caught up in the rabble-rousing demogoguery -- dares to ask him to explain his health care and homeowner rescue plans and to come up with ideas of how to improve on those plans. All rational communication and exchange are out the window. Hyping the understandable psychological insecurity with dispicable fear-mongering remarks when cool heads are needed is a national disgrace perpetuated by McCain and Company in full world view.

Of course, the root irrationality bagan wuth McCain's choice of a person utterly unqualified in these horrifically dangerous times to be his VP candidate. Same conclusion would be valid even if times now were reasonably sound and secure.

Garrison Keiler, in the NY Times yesterday, confronts McCain's disastrous, erratic judgmental qualities here head on:

"It was dishonest, cynical men who put forward a clueless young woman for national office, hoping to juice up the ticket, hoping she could skate through two months of chaperoned campaigning, but the truth emerges: The lady is talking freely about matters she has never thought about. The American people have an ear for untruths (not the media, however = my addition). They can tell when someone's mouth is moving and the clutch is not engaged."

WHEN SHE SAID, "One thing that Americans do at this time, also, though, is let's commit ourselves just every day, American people, Joe SixPack, hockey moms across the nation, I think we need to band together and say never again. Never will we be exploited and taken advantage of again by those who are managing our money and loaning us these dollars,"
PEOPLE SMELLED GAS.

McCain's irresponsible choice here has only further placed our entire nation at risk ... bearing in mind reports by actuaries that McCain has a 1 in 3 chance of dying the next 4 years -- God forbid that for him ... and the nation (if he were elected).

The stagnant do-nothing-but-attack each other two-party system is bankrupt. Only clear thinking Independents and Republicans motivated by common sense can save the day now.

The decadence of our political system dramatizes how much our nation is in dire need of a three party system ... one that encourages more balanced, creative, reflective thinking about our nation's problems ... rather than one where politicians are feeding on the basest of our emotions, deep prejudices and vulnerabilities. We all lose with this approach.

An example of objective, honest dialogue on issues was given recently by a fellow American living in Europe who said,

"Now is the time for for CHANGE. For example, many of us talk peace, but we empty billions for the instruments of war, for our own military as well as for numerous indigent countries who buy or are given with "foreign aid" the weapons they do not need and that that fuel their internal and external conflicts. It would be interesting, for example, to hear the views of the U.S. presidential candidates on the Defense Budget and how it can be reined in."

We need the Best Brains, Experience and a good dosage of Common Sense to get out of this terrible MESS.

This is no time for ideological purity, hate stirring, false statements aimed to WIN an election at all costs ... where the modus vivendi is "to Hell" with any objective, mutual respect for concrete answers/options to problems overwhelmingly affecting ALL Americans in this crisis of all crisises.

After all, such cultural blindness is what caused us to elect the highly incompetent Bush Jr. in the first place.

There's too much at stake, folks. Got to get this one election right this time, especially for the younger, future generations!
Frank Thomas, The Netherlands

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

tiptoe:

You can afford it, we taxpayers are paying for it.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Athena Smith said...

I believe I am the only one to be saying this, but today I went ahead and bought stock.
I will recheck its value in 8 months from today.
Wanna bet I will have made a nice profit?

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Alex Birch said...

Dr. Reich,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the equity of the USA today is less than desirable. However it could be argued that the lifestyle of the USA was artificially high after World War II.

Is it really sustainable to maintain the old standard of living? Where cheap energy and a hand gun are God-give, unalienable rights.

Alex

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Athena,

Bravo Athena! Depending on what you bought, it may take longer or much shorter than six months to realize a profit. Here's a tip from a former stock buyer playing with some success the game of a quick-in and quick-out for a satisfactory, non-greedy profit strategy. Tell your broker Now the price you are willing to sell the stock for that reflects a return you're content with. This is because with all the wild volatility and perhaps your busy work schedule you can't be watching the stock market all the time. For the changes in depressed stocks in such markets usually happen very suddenly in big moves and can be roller coaster ones enabling you to get into the same (or another unrealistically deflated stock) for a repeat short term gain. Ignore all this advice if you're the patient, investor type. Then, for example, I would suggest ING Bank (banking/insurance/real estate) stock which is way underpriced and is likely to double within two years time. All this advice assumes we don't break the depression barrier in this current financial crisis! That's why a short-term strategy may be attractive.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Athena Smith said...

Thanks Frank...
Whenever I see the hysteria of Black Mondays, Black Tuesdays, and so on... when the media is screaming about global financial melt-downs, I smile in an evil way...

Your advice is greatly appreciated. So if in the future you and your family find yourselves in my neck of the woods, dinner will be on my profits:))
What the hell... I might as well throw in one my famous Greek spinach pies... (Pure cheap labor on my part!)

Cheer up guys!

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

anonymous:

One can but marvel at the foresight of our founding fathers. That said, we are far removed from the society and the economy with which they were familiar.

In Jefferson's time we were primarily a self-reliant populace. Even many common workers owned guns, A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State... and all. Stoves and homes were fired by woodburning stoves and wood was plentiful if you owned an axe. In net, much of our population could provide basic necessities on their own.

The Industrial Age, an increasing population, immigration, and migration from rural to urban centers to work at jobs that began to be the source of sustenance, changed the paradigm. To fund and support this growth, which for scores of years was considered a good thing, money, credit, had to take on a more significant role in keeping growth alive. Thus the evolution of huge banking structures. Now in this evolution of banking and credit there have been multiple ups and downs but the segue led to a structure that has bode us fairly well for quite a few decades now. Like all things, excess has consequences and if there are no barriers to excess the free market will attempt weaseldog's infinite growth.

It's not that Jefferson was not prescient but his perspective was akin to his arguing the perils of gunpowder and then we try to apply his arguments to a world of nuclear weaponry. If my recollection of history serves me, I believe an equally well respected founder, Alexander Hamilton, held contrary views. Appeals to the wisdom of our founders are always interesting in their seeming applicability to our current strife but events of history have rendered them of questionable practical value in today's world.

Often those appeals are in kind with the concerns voiced here about future generations and what we are doing to their prospects. Folks, if we don't do what it takes to resolve the current dilemma, there will be no future for our future generations. If that means mountains of debt driven by deficit spending, so be it. We will have time to adjust deficits and debt after we have righted the ship. In the midst of a hurricane at sea, survival of the crew is paramount. The damage that the ship incurs is the least of concerns for if all survive, the ship can be repaired.

As we weather this storm we will discover improvements in ship design that will enable better ships to be built. One would prefer that we learn lessons long before we encounter mayhem but that seems contrary to human nature. Our history, and that of the world, is that we come through perilous times better and stronger and wiser, until the next time.

The real enigma is that we, as a populace, are no longer self-reliant we must rely on our leaders to lead the way out. While they lead, many of us have no real idea whether their leadership will provide more gloom or a brighter day. We listen to both sides and there seems to be much wisdom from each. Those of us who are more strongly opinionated, with at least a modicum of educational basis, can see problems in each side's solutions.

Obama's stance, currently, to go ahead with his spending priorities, can appear troublesome. But McCain's suggestion that he will freeze government spending, beyond essentials, is even more frightening. We have basically three elements to our economic growth; consumers, producers, including the financiers who support production, and the government. When two of the three are not working, what sense does it make to bring the third to a halt. Balancing the federal budget in 4 years is the least of our problems.

Leadership often comes, not from experience but from dreams and beliefs; from diligence and conviction. George Washington, on paper, by experience, was not the best choice for Commander of the Revolutionary forces. However he was a conciliator. He practiced listening to all sides of an argument or a strategy before making a decision. He did not pretend nor pronounce that he KNOWS how to win the military battles, rather he made use of the best alternatives offered and then made his decisions. His was true leadership based on assembling knowledge in order to make wise decisions. He did not rely on the implied leadership of his rank.

There are valid reasons for all of us to have a better understanding of our founders and of our history. It is an element sorely missing in recent generations. But the understanding might be better focused on the concepts and dreams than on the specific pronouncements which may or may not have relevance to a much changed world.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Athena:

Congrats! I am also eyeing more investing but am waiting for a little better sense of the bottom. Not the first time I've tried to find the bottom or the top and through inaction have found myself flat square in the middle negating any quick gains.

Seems I've always had this hitch in my learning curve.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger crf said...

Our economy is like Mr. Valdemar, and having just entered its death throes, we are attempting to arrest this process by an act of hypnosis.

If nothing is done in recovery efforts to place energy and climate change concerns at the forefront, and instead we just try to grow an economy as has been traditionally done, with increased resource extraction and consumption, the world economy will dissolve into a putrescent mass when it realises what the future holds.


====

We can't risk repeating the same mistake that has been made with bad loans. It is simply not credible for us to divorce action on climate change and the economy in designig a recovery. It was thought that bad loans could be sliced off from the rest of the economy, and any cancer resulting from them surgically excised. That didn't happen: when this was tried, investors looked at the wound, and found necrotic tissue had spread all over.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Athena Smith said...

Art
So you are an optimist as well.
I am glad I am not alone on this.
Actually millions around the globe were on a buying spree today, but did anyone notice?

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Athena,

The idea is never to try to reach the bottom but to be within 10% of it. For when the real bottom is reached -- if it has not already been reached -- the explosion upwards (assuming stock purchased represents a sound firm) races from the bottom very quickly and then some. Often, (not in such a crisis, but in normal times) I bought and sold under this strategy within one week! As you might have guessed, in my elder years I participate in the market very rarely. Now, however, is quite an opportune time. I think 7,500 is the real bottom but wouldn't try to hit it.

No charge for the youthful, Art!

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Frank:

LOL! I realize that I, too, am at an age where dabbling in the stock market leans to the foolish but my mind continues to ignore the signals my body keeps sending. If I do young things, wild and foolish, will not my youth come back?

Given that with age hearing often lessens I am banking on when the "bell tolls for thee" I won't be able to hear it.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Dr. Reich and Readers,

One short comment here I'd like to make.

We can thank our lucky stars that China is enjoying its industrial and commercial revolution right at a time our economy is in a debt ridden, perilous phase. For we need China to finance our massive debt expansion from Deficits, Bailouts, Stimulus actions, and Modernization and Improvement Investments still critically required in our internal economy.

Our expected economic growth fallback will hurt China's exports and hence their current account surplus which is a key source of our financing needs. This is cause for concern. But on the positive side, China's autocratic capitalism is in an infant stage in serving its own 1.2 billion consumers. More than 900 million Chinese are poor, representing a huge market for strong internal development.

So Chinese government budget surpluses should continue (with few exceptions) in coming years ... and more likely than not these surpluses will be sufficient to finance our next 4-6 year mushrooming Deficits ... thank God.

Needless to say, excellent relations with China is an absolute pre-requisite. Macho, tough rhetoric or condescending public lecturing about China's internal affairs -- including problems dealing with food quality sub-standards, violations of human rights, etc. -- must all be handled forthrightfully but under highly sensitive, diplomatic government-to-government auspices.

In this process, China, as well as Europe by the way, might still teach us something about other variations of constructive capitalism ... one with perhaps a smaller social conscience than the other but both striving for stable underpinnings in their respective economic models.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art,

My hearing, physical, and spiritual state is quite good, so don't sell me short. Ha!

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

The DOW Recovered! Saved by the PPT!

Sell Athena! Before it tanks on Monday!

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Oakland Tom said...

Thanks so much for your, as usual, rational, cogent (and, therefore, reassuring) remarks.

I'm reading "The Work of Nations" for the first time and appreciate all of the economic background information. The global economy is now cemented in place.

Being firmsly ensconced in the middle class, I am appalled at the panic going on in Wall Street. Our leaders should be setting an example of calm restraint (like FDR did). I'm fighting hard against painic, but our leadership is analagous to the man who keeps screaming that the house is on fire while trying to put it out the flames with gasoline.

Tom in Oakland

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Frank:

Was talking about me. My hearing is still good but waning. Same for my physical state. On the other hand my spiritual state, if we are talking imbibing spirits, is in great shape.

Weaseldog:

You have no sense of adventure. No appreciation for the allure of danger, of risk. What goes up or down today will go up or down tomorrow. Why get off the roller coaster while the ride is still going?

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger George Mattingly said...

This is exactly the clear calm focused analysis Obama needs to listen to in preparing his transition. Let's hope he hear this and doesn't take ALL his cues from the Chicago Boys.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Religion keeps the poor from killing the rich...
That is why the conservative right pushes their Christian agenda so hard...
I hope the middel class doesn't run out of prayers...

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art,

I should have known that a persuasive advocate for Realism was talking about his own mortality ... and not mine.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The market, like the lord, helps those who help themselves...
but, the market unlike the lord, does not forgive those who know not what they do.

Capitalism works best when it is fair and transparent, but the US market needs to crash to set our nation on a new course of ethics and oversight.
It will be a better world for our children for them to prosper and pay our debts.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Oliversnit said...

I hope you folks buying do make a "killing" because Mr. Obama will need as much of your profit as possible vis-a-vis capital gains. There are people on Southside Chicago who need your help.

Ron Paul write-in.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art Layman, John Lawrence

I just heard that Treasury Sec. Paulson has said that stock ownership of financial institutions will be a part of the Rescue plan.

Took them a while to realize the obvious and follow Europe's lead.

Finally, after all our writings and those of others, some financial sense in the interests of taxpayers is coming into the Rescue process.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art, John

I may have heard it wrong as there seems to be some question about whether the government will get an ownership interest for its share purchases. Boy, these people are really confused and confusing! Bring in the Dutch to show them how to do it!

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art, John

Well, I'm elated as it appears the stock purchases come obviously with a government ownership in financial institutions. This recapitalization process is much more powerful, liquidity-wise, than just giving the institutions money for discounted toxic mortgages.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous RS Love said...

Whatever we do, we need a way to boost both savings (could be in the form of partial asset ownership) and a way to generate jobs. Who is going to occupy all the homes we built?

RS Love

Check out this thoughtful discussion panel from MIT:
http://tinyurl.com/3fjlwb

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger kayxyz said...

"The top 1% takes home about 20% of the income." There's your starting point. We are a nation of CEOS and unemployed. What do you do to change that?

In the IT industry in the past 25 years, layoffs were always made to improve the bottom line, please Wall Street, and appease the shareholders. At no time was the CEO's salary ever lowered.

So here's the IT list of CEOs. Export them to India and China, where their workforce lives. Seize the assets they leave behind. If they continue to live in the United States, tax them at confiscatory rates. IBM Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. took a 60 million dollar retirement, walked straight into a job at Carlyle Group. Of course it was fun to watch Carlyle Capital Management implode, leveraged at the usual 30:1. Then the next I read, Lou was no longer Carlyle's CEO but had "retired" to manage the Asian investments. Sam Palmisano, owns a house in Maine near George H. W. Bush's house. 15 million annual salary. You can continue on down the list: Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer. Andy Grove-Carl Otellini-Intel.

No one person is worth that much in salary when others are unemployed and doing without health care. The IT CEOs are one place to look. They could easily be replaced by a spreadsheet and one accountant in India.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

Obama was asked in the last debate what part of his proposed initiatives he would give up in light of the huge deficits the US is incurring with the $700 billion bailout. I don't think he should give up on anything and just sit there with his hands tied. The Republicans can always come up with amazing amounts of money for war and bailouts of the banking industry. Then they want to tie the hands of Democratic Presidents and say that there's no more money for their programs and initiatives.

Obama should be bold in his funding sources. Here's a few ideas:
1) Tax the wealthy. From Bernie Sanders' website: Incredibly, for the first seven years of Bush's tenure, the wealthiest 400 individuals in our country saw a $670 billion increase in their wealth. That is just 400 families.

That is why I proposed raising the tax rate on any individual earning $500,000 a year or more or any family earning $1 million a year or more by 10 percent. It would have raised $300 billion in the next five years, almost half the cost of the bailout.


2) An excise tax on stock and derivative trades.

3) A radical restructuring of the military-industrial complex recapturing $200-$300 billion dollars.

4) Recapture taxes from corporations who offshore profits.

In short go after the wealthy. To paraphrase Willie Sutton, "That's where the money is." The Reagan era has resulted in a huge transfer of wealth to the rich. What's wrong with reversing this trend and having an era of transfer of wealth from the rich.

I think Obama should go full speed ahead with his programs and initiatives in health care, infrastructure repair, alternative energy production etc. He should not just sit on his hands for four years feeling hamstrung by Bush'e fisacal irresponsibility. It will take bold action to put the US on the right course. Taking money from war to further peace; taking money from the rich to promote the interests of the middle class, I don't have a problem with it. Tax incomes at Eisenhauer era progressive rates. Tax wealth (assets) which are the accumulations that CEOs and hedge fund managers have walked away with. That would be bold because I don't think it's ever been done before. Why just tax income; tax wealth as well! Take money from the military-industrial complex. Theses are bold moves - not for the faint of heart but necessary to get this country moving again.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Situ said...

Why don't we hear more about the outsize volume of credit default swaps and their role in the current financial crisis? After all weren't they at the heart of AIG's problems, and aren't they the reason that the decision not to buttress Lehman has turned out to have a larger than anticipated impact? They need to regulated as securities or as insurance, and not kept off the books. This is what will lead to most of them getting unwound eventually.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Blogger Banzai Bill said...

Dr. Reich,

I would be interested in knowing if you think the time has come for "snap-back" or "snap-break"?

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J. Spofford got it right, we were in a post-WWII growth economy from 55 to 75 and then entered a post-Cold War growth economy from 85 to 05 and are entering a brave new world of one global economy. And look at the idiosyncrasies of this brave new world: The communists have to lend democratic/capitalist countries money, the speculative cost of fossil fuels are not subject to inflation but now dictates inflation, and the west is oversaturated with consumer goods and real property but can't stop spending. Its like now that we have no real enemies or threats, we have no common purpose or goal and are adrift in a hedonistic purgatory of our own making.

Friday, 10 October, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

One more revenue source for the next President (hopefully Obama) to consider: take 50% of the profits of any minerals taken from US territory including coal, oil and natural gas. Norway does this and puts the profits in a sovereign wealth fund. Obama needs to restructure the US economy, but not just tax and spend. However, he needs to tax the rich and balance the budget even generate a surplus. The surplus can be used to pay down the debt and to start a US sovereign wealth fund. I'm tired of tax and spend and borrow and spend. I'm for tax the rich, transfer money from the rich to the middle class and generate wealth for the American people in general and not just for CEOs and hedge fund managers.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see that our nation is seeking the advice of other nations and moving towards a coordinated effort to stave off a global depression.
I'm glad that Bush is staying out of the way.
I'm glad that president Hank Paulson & vice president Ben Bernanke are letting go of their egos and are putting a stop to their band-aid approaches.
We need to re-capitalize the banking systems with government (tax payer) ownership.
I have pulled out of the artificially valued stock market and hoping my cash will be safe.
The wealth disparity in this country will hopefully be solved by this financial crisis and Obama's "New Deal". I’m also hoping that Obama's cabinet will ensure that the middle class is dealt a new hand and make sure that we start playing with a fair 52 card deck.
“Let us put an end to class warfare in America”

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Prof.Reich;
What is the basis for your assumption that housing prices will recover? You have put the cart before the horse. The housing bubble burst because home prices had risen far in excess of a level that the median or average household income could support. The credit market than collapsed because it foolishly tried to finance an impossible level of prices. But clearly it was the housing collapse that caused the credit market collapse, and not the other way around. So repairing the credit situation is not likely to reinflate homes prices anywhere near the unsustainable levels of recent years. We voters want to believe that our previous home equity will reappear, and politicans are eager to tell us what we want to hear, but the cold hard facts of life do not support the notion that housing prices will recover anywhere remotely near the highs of the recent past.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"As America’s housing stock regains value, as we all hope it will, bad debts become better debts"
Clearly you do not understand what credit deflation is nor appreciate the role of leveraged credit creation in our financial crisis. First of all the financial sector has created massive amounts of credit with little capital and generated a complex financial casino to pass the risk around which if you hadn't notice has crashed. That is our financial sector credit creation system must return to normal levels of credit creation based on sound capital and lending requirements, this in turn will lead to a much recession as many business's throught America and the world have been living off of execess credit creation.
SFR will continue to decline in value until it reaches long term affordability which is around 2.5 to 3.0 times income. Credit deflation will impact all asset classes and cannot be stopped by adding more debt to system via gov't bailouts rather only productive work that generates a higher standard of income for the average american.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to second the comments of Silver Fox. Home prices need to deflate to a level that is within the reach of the middle class and lower classes. The price of a home traditionally has been 25 to 33 percent of the yearly family income. There are 2 choices. Inflation of salaries to reach this level or the deflation of home prices. With the big over supply of homes it think deflation is most likely and healthy for the economy. Yes, some will be hurt but the majority will still live in the house the bought as a home.

Yes, some will be upside down on the mortgage, but we have programs to have these notes "worked out" for legitimate home owners. The note holder can share in this defation, since it is the note holder who assume some risk when they invested in the note.

One issue now is that some, not all, of the notes were actually chopped and diced into pieces when the notes were tranched by Wall Street. Interest payment to one tranche and principle to another tranche, for example. Some entity needs to restore the note so that it can be renegotiated to prevent foreclosure.

The final leg, has to do with creating livable communities in the ex burbs, like Stockton, Riverside, etc. Business needs to create jobs near these vacant comminities. Infrastructure needs to be created, schools, transportation, etc. This is not a short term project but more like the late 40'ies and 50'ies, when the GI's came home and started families.

Obama has the vision to provide the leadership for this next period in our history. McCain has proven he does not during the past weeks. What a sorry state for conservatives.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

oliversnit:

Thanks for the good wishes.

Rest assured should I make some profits from my investing I will be happy to pay whatever taxes are applicable at whatever rates.

It's not as if I will have expended extreme amounts of labor to secure any profits. If profitable, it will be because I exercised a modicum of smart investing coupled with a whole lot of good luck - I won't get to Warren Buffet status until 4 or 5 lifetimes from now.

To have the opportunity to buy a few shares of something and then profit from them is well worth a few tax dollars if I'm successful. The beauty is that if I lose money I don't have to pay taxes on the risk I took and will even get a tax advantage from any loss.

I don't whine about paying taxes. It is a patriotic duty.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Silverfox,

Agree with your conclusion, but you seem to be a bit incomplete in your chicken before the egg reasoning.

In short, you say that the housing bubble caused the credit collapse and not vice versa. This logic omits a critical part of the sequence of cause-effect events.

Beginning in 2002 through 2007, the irresponsible cheap money policy of Greenspan combined with irresponsible bank lending/housing evaluation practices caused the unrealistic bubble of housing prices. When the bubble of inflated housing prices broke, then the credit market also crashed.

So it began with UNETHICAL (if not fraudulent) LENDING practices on a grand scale which caused the housing bubble; the latter caused the CREDIT COLLAPSE as unqualified, deceived, naive homeowners could not meet adjustable rate mortgages in combination with rising food and energy prices; and all ending in an escalation of foreclosures and job losses which in turn are causing a further deepening of the CREDIT CRUNCH.

I fully agree we cannot expect home prices to reinflate to their past unrealistic levels for a number of years ... it will likely take at least 6-8 years for this to happen.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger kayxyz said...

There's some agreement on other blogs that CEOs right now are the only people in the US with money. So the parasites should be lined up for tax increases. There's also agreement the funds will be needed for food stamps and extended unemployment benefits.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
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Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

silverfox and anonymous:

It seems to me that you both fail to appreciate the marketplace. It may take awhile for home prices to rise again and whether they reach the recent levels is surely questionable, but it is still a market driven by supply and demand and the marketplace can come up with solutions beyond financial wizardry.

30 year fixed rate mortgages have not always been available, they evolved to facilitate home ownership after WWII and to adjust for higher home prices. Today we see the advent of 40 and 50 year fixed rate mortgages in certain areas. Conceivably, if home prices begin escalating again 40 and 50 year fixed mortgages will probably expand in use. That is one market response.

Income levels are clearly important and likely will drive the market in the near term if we can turn things around. There are other significant factors at play in determining home prices though. Rents; if rental prices rise they will impact both the demand for home ownership and the credit standards for securing loans. New home construction costs have a significant impact. The prices of older homes will rise in some proportion to the costs of new construction. Currently our population is still increasing and this will add to the demand for new housing, which if not met with new housing construction will cause prices to rise.

It is possible that over the next ten or twenty years, if babyboomers retire and move to retirement communities, cashing in on their equity to supplant retirement incomes, then the supply of houses might begin to increase faster than demand and will suppress rising prices and maybe even lower them.

Credit card debt is as serious a delimiter to affording a new home as are income considerations. Part of the equation for affordability is the amount of other outstanding debt a person has. No quick fix here but if tighter restrictions are placed on credit card interest rates the market itself will commence pulling back on credit card usage and limits. Over time this will aid consumers in debt-to-income ratios.

The government has multiple options if we are to continue the importance of owning a home.

There is no doubt that wages for working people are horrendous and somehow we need to address that issue. But that is an issue whether we are looking at home ownership or not. It is also an issue which is far more complex. Like it or not we are in a global economy now and labor costs are currently the biggest differentiating factor. Obama has tax ideas for rewarding companies who create jobs in the US but there are hurdles. First of all, we have the WTO which holds great sway over any country's attempts to influence global trade. Secondly, his premise is consistent with many conservatives who suggest that tax rates are a key determinate in locating production facilities. It is an important consideration but I don't accept that it is as influential as many would have us believe. If the premise were valid we would have seen companies moving overseas years ago, long before free trade existed. Granted lifting tariff barriers moved tax considerations up the ladder of concerns.

Even if Obama can get past those hurdles, what good is it to produce more here if labor costs will make our product pricing uncompetitive both here and abroad? Even if we return to a modified isolationism and wages and prices rise have we gained or merely treaded water?

Our best hope would seem in alternative fuels. Using innovation and technological expertise we could create products that have a worldwide market and could improve wages in the interim but even that will be short-lived. We now exist in a world of competitors with access to capital and labor that equals or exceeds ours. They may initially invest in our new products but soon they will begin to produce the same products at home. This means that we somehow have to establish a dynamic new technology production base that continues to crank out new products replacing yesterdays new products. We will be in a marathon not a dash but that marathon will have to run at the pace of a 40 second 400 meter dash.

When we controlled most of the world's wealth and production capacity it was easy for us to grow faster than the rest. That world is long gone. We are now but a major player in a world of players who are attempting and quite capable of becoming major players as well.

There is a very good chance that you guys will be right and home prices will stabilize or decline due to incomes but if incomes decline as well we are again only treading water.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Frank:

Agree, for what that's worth, with your cause and effect analysis.

Had the securitizing, bundling process not have occurred the banks making the original loans would have had to hold them. This would have caused them to seek only the best credit risks. Once the ability to make dumb loans available and then to be able to sell them, thereby avoiding responsibility and risk, it was katy bar the door.

This process also caused the rise in the secondary mortgage broker industry and since those players had no liability they had no reason to practice conservative credit evaluations.

If we could harness the energy that created these ingenious, yet foolish, ideas we could cut our foreign energy needs to almost nothing. The trick now is to redirect those energies to productive, positive tasks.

Somewhere along the line we forgot that there really is no free lunch.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous jm said...

I hope you've got Obama's ear.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Frank:

Don't know if you ever read Stanley Fish in the NYT but I think you would find some of it enjoyable. Often the comments are as thought provoking as Fish's articles.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art a layman:

The weakness of your statement regarding " supply and demand" controlling housing prices is that you seem to not understand the meaning of the term 'demand'.

Demand does NOT mean that there is a need or desire for something. There are hundreds of millions of people on the planet who neeed or desire adequate food, clothing and shelter, but they can not obtain those needs or wants.
Economic "demand" requires in addition to needs or wants, the resources ( money) to obtain those
needs and wants are available. So without real income growth for the median and average household, which has been lacking for the past decade, and without a return to insane credit policies, housing prices will not recover to anywhere near the recent previous levels. I don't have a quickie formula to determine what level the average house should be priced at, but if you make $48,000.00 a year ( median household income in the US),you can not buy a $350,000.00 house. And if you live in a working/middle class neighborhood, you will not be able to sell your house for twice the price you paid for it a few years ago.

Eventually housing prices will stablize , but it will be at a level much lower than the recent peak, and unless we find a way to raise the average workers' income level, don't look to see the values rise much over the rates of inflation.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the housing and job analysis. I've lived in California almost 60 years and have now seen 4 major deflations in home prices as an adult. I explain CA home prices to out of state friends and relatives in what I call "Ca dirt dollars". CDD is a different currency and rises and falls depending upon the availability of "easy credit". Fast Eddy Loan Brokers on TV (Ameriquest, Countrywide, Linclon) always herald the top of the market. The reality is that I live in my house, so it is a useful asset. I fully expect it to fall in $ price, but I could trade to another similar house in another area if I want a change of scene or job.

I was also a landlord for many years having inherited a few family houses acquired over the years. I fully expect that rents are also declining. Out of force of old habit, I look over the "for rent" section. I can already see the decline and have watched the inventory grow, too. This is typical as people in general tighten their belts perhaps taking on roommates or moving home.

As for the job outlook, I spent much of my career in high tech. That is still a promising area for the US. We do have international competition but that is healthy. I also seen energy tech as a new promising area. I like that Obama recognizes this and hope it is fully supported by sound policy going forward.

I think a lot of job exodus oversees has to do with the communications revolution. Putting call center in India, Philippines, etc was made possible by the 90'ies telecommunication achievements. However, the frustration level of dealing with someone with a heavy accent and often limited information has forced some companies to bring some levels of tech support back home. In the past year, I've had several cases with HP and could write the business case as to why UScentric support is less costly as a whole to the company. Then again I got a new printer when I really didn't need one because of the incompetence on the other end of the phone it turned out.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art,
Thanks for bringing Stanley Fish to my attention. I read his, "Will the Humanities Save Us."

His answer challenges one "to think" which is in effect the intrinsic value of studying the humanities ... not for their immediate instrumental utility in a careerism context but for their value in forming good judgments, of developing an ability to understand, analyze, communicate effectively, and to go the heart of disagreements, and the basis for cooperation ... all qualities our politicians and media pundits demonstrate a short supply of.

I will say something to you, Art, that reflects some wisdom acquired from many years in the mixed cultures of Europe. Europeans always faithfully take their 4 week vacations in other lands each year. For decades,this has exposed them to other cultural sensitivites, languages, habits, pleasures, etc. It's a cultural interchange that applies to the factory worker, to the nurse, to the meatman, to the doctor, and to the engineer.

This gives Europeans at all levels of society a much higher natural exposure to the human differences in a way that enriches their inherent ability "te relativeren."

This is a unique Dutch phrase that applies to other European societies as well. It means the ability to "relate things, put them in perspective, to compare them to other experiences, to learn from others."

You may not know this but 1 in 7 (maybe 1 in 6) Americans has a passport. We are a very provincial people. This constrains our "relativeren" capability at most levels of society. Sarah Palin is a perfect example of this. She appeals to those as provincial as she is ... more insidiously, she knows how to exploit the preconceived, narrow prejudices of her followers. That's her game. I think Bush Jr. had only been to Mexico before he became President! His thinking is not surprisingly pretty limited also.

The average European would see through a Sarah Palin immediately and come to the conclusion she's way out of her league and not genuine. Trust me on that general statement. It's reflected in a recent survey that 90% of Europeans favor Obama and certainly would never suggest he consorts with terrorists or he's not someone you can trust. They know integrity, talent and calm wisdom when they read about it or see it and form their
"relativeren" judgments accordingly.

Europeans, at all levels, will generally always pick intelligence, charm, and communication skills over the flashy individual who lacks the substantive skills. The Dutch Pim
Fortuyn, who was murdered here by a Dutch muslim fanatic, was an amazingly gifted populist politician who was deeply loved by the working middle class ... and who also was highly witty, intelligent, with a professorial background.

Watching McCain and Palin on TV here insite anger against Obama with their personal contrived attacks to the point that the word "Kill" was even mentioned by someone in the crowd would IMMEDIATELY end the political career or prospects of anyone here encouraging such unstable tones of communication.

The Europeans have learned well from centuries of murderous wars fought on their own territories and through constant
interconnections/intermingling among quite different societies how to listen, respect others, entertain different political views and accept those different views when they make sense ... in effect, they have this natural critical reflection that reins in ideological purity, that gives life real meaning, and nutures a sense we are all on this earth to together where noone has the perfect answers.

We Americans come up short here ... too dogmatized. A study of the humanities should be a pre-requisite for all our politicians and the media. It would help them to be more "human" and capable of more deeply understanding, entering into, and criticizing our present day experiences with the binding idea we are "all in this together."

Thanks for bringing me back to some things that interest me. Fish's discussion of the humanities reminded me of one of my favorite philosophers, Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860). A remark of his hit home when I sadly saw that angry, fearful American at a McCain rally the day before yesterday express his fears of Obama by voicing his frustration with one of those old-fashioned dividing line outcries, "Stop the Socialists, Mr. McCain."

In this regard, thinking about Bush and McCain & Company, Arthur Schopenhauer's words contain a universal, thoughtful message from a man of the humanities:

"Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world."

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art,

I forgot to mention David Brooks essay in the NY Times yesterday ("The Class War Before Palin") where he discusses the Republican party's loss of its respect for people with historical knowledge and sophisticated thinking. Palin's shallow qualifications is an example of this. It explains why the Republican party is losing the interest of young people and educated professionals.

At the same time, the Republican party's nurturing of Joe Sixpack and the unemployed plant worker is also being questioned by the working middle class. For the latter sees how basic financial and job securities and social needs have been increasingly hypocritically undermined and ignored during eight years of a Bush administration ... in contrast to the undivided attention given to the interests of Wall Street and to the truly wealthy elites comprising less than 10% of all households.

A sort of anti-intellectualism, among other things, is in play dividing our nation. And the Republicans, ironically given their past traditions, are feeding it.

Brooks makes some valid observations about these root causes for high disatisfaction within the Republican Party.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Anonymous Workerbee said...

" The people of the United States suffer from periodical financial panics to a degree substantially unknown among the other nations which approach us in financial strength. There is no reason why we should suffer what they escape. It is of profound importance that our financial system should be promptly investigated, and so thoroughly and effectively revised as to make it certain that hereafter our currency will no longer fail at critical times to meet our needs. "

- Theodore Roosevelt speech excerpt, Osawatomie, Kansas on August 31, 1910.

Link:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_New_Nationalism

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Luz, Adelia's Closet said...

One of our brightest of the bright sent this ... and it gives you cause to ponder. See what YOU think!
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing.
I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?
She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope they do something about it.
2. You can agree to vote against everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the process will take several years.
3. You can decide to run for office yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.
YOU DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST SEND IT ON.

Saturday, 11 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

silverfox:

Talk about weak arguments. Floating absurd examples to support your premise is far from solid argument. No one would suggest that a family making $48,000 a year could afford a $350,000 house, unless they had a very substantial down payment.

There is no way to sensibly display multiple examples without a treatise of possibilities since there are so many variables. The median price of a home in the US is, currently, $169,900, down from last year this time of $182,291. As you know that means there are as many homes below $170,000 in value as there are above $170,000.

A family with $48,000/year in earnings certainly has limits on what house value they can afford. If the family, at that earnings level, is looking for a first home they will not be looking for a $350,000 home. The housing market, like all markets, is a dynamic market and since most people look to move up in home values as their incomes rise an increase in demand for cheaper homes will tend to increase home prices across the board.

Interest rates and downpayments would be the primary delimiters but many responsible lenders would also consider where that family is in their earnings history. Are they likely at peak earnings? Has their earnings growth in recent years exhibited substantial growth with a reasonable expectation of continuing? Other debt loads will surely impact their mortgage limit but a credit history representing an ability to manage credit will also be considered.

More obscure variables such as average prices of homes in the particular area of the home being mortgaged; the likelihood of continued price growth in that area; competition in the mortgage market between lenders; expectations of future interest rates, are factors considered. There is a great deal of lender latitude between a 30 year fixed rate mortgage based on hard and fast debt-to-income ratios and an interest-only mortgage with a 5 year ballon payment.

Home prices in the US are not generic. There are regions today that are still experiencing rising prices while the bulk of the nation is seeing declines. It is extremely rare for home prices to double in just a few years, another of your absurd assertions. Through September, 2008 we are only seeing a 7.2% drop in median home prices; a serious decline but not catastrophic for many.

Can't disagree with your complete supply and demand analysis but desires do create the establishment of means. Folks with a strong desire for a home will take actions to try to satisfy that desire. The market, sensing that desire, will work toward solutions to profit from that desire. Soon, the confluence will turn that desire into demand and the games will begin again.

This is not to suggest that lessons haven't been learned, although in the market creative ideas die hard, but the market functioned fairly well before insane euphoria set in and home prices rose and they will again. Granted there will be no quick return to some of the values that existed before the meltdown but there will be a rebound to some market driven level and then the more normal rate of increase in values will continue. If only inflation driven. The market never goes "quietly into that good night".

The housing construction industry has been a significant factor in our economic growth for the last 60 years. A concentrated infrastructure spending program will provide employment for many of those in the construction industry but our economy will suffer if new home construction fails to rebound. That industry cannot rebound if home demand doesn't rebound, thus rising home prices will, to a great extent be necessary. The desire for home ownership has always been there, all that's necessary is to create new, less stupid, means of facilitating that desire.

As I stated I agree that earnings resources need to increase but I see no easy road to that. Obama's tax cuts for the middle class are not sufficient to allow that $48,000 family to afford that $350,000 house. In fact, short of an extreme tax restructuring, if that, taxes will not fill in the gap of 30 years of stagnant wages. At the same time there is no way that Walmart is going to start paying $25/hour to their stocking clerks.

We have some serious problems and we need some creative solutions, and Obama has the better, but in the area of earnings we have a long way to go and the path before us has yet to be cleared.

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Blogger John M. said...

http://wormseyevieweconomics.blogspot.com/

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Frank:

Could not agree with you more on the humanities issue. Some of the most impressive business executives I have known were history majors.

Few, if any, do not have enormous admiration for our founding fathers, yet we fail to recognize where their wisdom came from. These were men steeped in the knowledge of the humanities. The literature that they read was from the great thinkers of the ages, not the latest "How to" prophet or a manual for solving a Transportation Problem. Colleges and universities, of the time, focused on liberal arts. The "science" of business was far in the future. Economics has its foundation in the humanities not in the business curriculum. Math and science were incorporated into the teachings as tools, as ways of understanding the world rather than of manipulating it. Many of history's greatest contributors to math and science were philosophers.

We have lost that. We have evolved to specialization as the train to ride to success. This is not all bad except that in the process we have grown to disdain a broader knowledge of the history of mankind and his endeavors. Our colleges and universities have decimated humanities educational requirements. No doubt advances in the science and math areas have trimmed available time from broader learning. The business curriculums in most higher learning institutions keep growing and growing pushing humanities resources down the scale. I would argue that we should emphasize liberal arts in the undergraduate curriculum and specific focuses in graduate schools.

We pride ourselves on our pragmatism, on our adherence to seeking and achieving goals through material manifestations rather than mental expansion. We argue that we should lead the world because of our military prowess and our accumulation of more stuff, our superior economic growth. Would we not be better stewards if we had the best minds? We do have some of the best minds on an individual basis but not collectively as a society and the societal limits of our thinking create suspicion and disregard for great minds outside our hallowed borders.

Our politicans have nurtured this fallacy by appealing to patriotism as the only basis for judgment. During the Vietnam era, bumper stickers - our answer to the humanities - popped up spouting "America, love it or leave it". Why not "America, love it and improve it"?

I have a pet theory that we think of the European, and others, loyalty and love of their monarchical families as stupid while we are envious of the same. Kings and Emperors created and nurtured the great cultures that evolved to the Europe and world of today. They were not all good but without them neither Europe nor the US nor China would likely be where they are today.

We don't have this same sense of origin. We had great and wise leaders in our founders but there is no link to their wisdom. This is not to suggest that we should have afforded their offspring a special place but it does create a void in our cultural foundation.

Throughout our history we have filled that void with American heroes. Buffalo Bill Cody, Wild Bill Hickock, Davy Crockett, Sam Houston, even Billy the Kid etc., during an era, became our focus; our examples of American culture and what it stands for. We only refer to Franklin or Jefferson or Adams when a particular quote from them feeds a political argument. Thomas Paine is heralded for his contribution to the Revolution not for his wise philosophical thinking, some good and some not so good.

Carnegie, Mellon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt are remembered for their misdeeds and greed and not the legacies and foundations that continue to benefit our society. Instead, in our time, our heroes became the roles played by movie stars. John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Hopalong Cassidy (we do have a fixation on the old west) suggested role personnas which we should emulate. Often the moral lessons in the movies were good but the model that emerged was not of great thinkers, of problem solvers employing reason and logic, but of action men, strong individuals who could overcome evil and adversity through physical action rather than collective thinking and persuasion.

Given all this and a lot more if I don't stop, we see the emphasis of American values on the individual as the solver and that individual of choice is a man of action not of wise and thorough consideration. Hence we get Dumbya. Hopefully Obama can break the mold.

I would agree Americans could benefit from traveling to different cultures but in Europe crossing borders is far easier than in America. Our physical land mass is so vast that many feel they should explore America before attempting foreign lands. Reasonable, but it does leave us short in the "relativeren" department.

Meanwhile, McCain receives benefit from our American allure to the heroic individual. He assures us that he knows how to fix this or that. He doesn't tell us how he'll do that but surely he knows. Obama, on the other hand, gives us some detail but he does tend to talk professorially to us from a kind of elite standpoint promising us "hope" and constructive change. To far too many voters this is anathema. It is not the way John Wayne would approach the issues. McCain, like Wayne, knows what to do, therefore thinking and discussing and brainstorming and collective thinking would be a waste of time. Never let wisdom interfere with action.

Few conservatives seem to remember that Reagan rode into office on a wave of rhetoric promising a brighter tomorrow, not on a list of how we'll do it facts. He changed the national mood. It was his greatest contribution.

The irony is that conservatives appeal and applaud the inherent wisdom of the American people and their knowledge of what to do and what is best. Yet, we see example after example that the American people don't have a clue. They don't know how to solve the bigger problems. Many of them don't even know how to solve their own problems.

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

Frank,

I agree with your comments about American provincialism. Europeans have indeed been humbled by murderous and pointless wars on their continent to the point where they are willing to accept the dictum "we're all in this together." Americans have not yet reached this point in our history. From the inception of the country, it was built on displacing native Americans like the Indian Removals in Alabama and Georgis because southern aristocrats wanted to grow cotton using slaves brought from Africa. Then we had a sense of Manifest Destiny which included stealing half of Mexico. Thomas Jefferson indeed profited from Napoleon's downfall when he legitimately bought the Louisiana purchase.

But the European conquistadors justified slaughtering the South American natives on the grounds that once they conquered them, they could be converted to Christianity thus attaining a larger good because henceforth they would be "saved."

American culture is influenced by the fact that maybe half of the jobs are related to the military-industrial complex. Any one that has served in the military (perhaps more than 50% of the population) has been brainwashed to believe we're the greatest and purest country on earth and our leaders are always right, and anyone who works directly or indirectly for the military-industrial complex realizes that the Republicans best serve their economic interests. Boeing, Lockheed Martin and GE are primarily defense contractors and not innocent makers of planes and light bulbs.

Public school children are taught notions of patrotism which exclude African slaves, Indian removal and stealing territory from Mexico. In other words the real history of the US is buried in favor of an exceptionalism which includes out Manifest Destiny to be the leader of the world, something which the neocons not only believe but act upon.

Beside that we have the situation that lobbyists fueled by wealthy interests influence probably 80% of the legislation, TV advertising sells everything from prescription drugs to political candidates, and southerners still smarting over Lyndon Johnson's civil rights legislation vote their cultural interests over their economic ones.

My question to you is do lobbyists influence the political process in Europe to the extent they do here, and is TV advertising allowed for political candidates? My understanding is that at least in Denmark political candidate advertising is verboten. No doubt the political culture will have to be changed here before any real progress can be made or government intrusion in the economy will end up being dictated by special interests.

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This first item to appear in a Google search for aggregate US debt is a Dec 2004 article
by Susan C. Walker entitled, "U.S. Consumer Credit Card Debt May Crash Economy”(1). The second listed item (2) points out that total US debt rose to 346 % of GDP in 2007. This amounts to an average debt per US household of almost a half million dollars, $ 410,663 to be precise (3).

Ms. Walker’s 2004 prophesy was fulfilled this month. The world has overspent itself into a huge debt over a period of decades, the US housing problem merely being the final straw. Lack of liquidity is due to lack of credit worthiness which will take some time to correct.
HJB
(1) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143037,00.html
(2) http://2164th.blogspot.com/2008/09/total-us-debt-rose-from-163-of-gdp-
in.html
(3a) 2007 GDP = $13.8 trillion (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html)
(3b) US Population (July 2007 est.) = 301,139,947
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.html)
(3c) Persons per household (2000) = 2.59 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)
(3d) (13,800,000,000,000 x 3.46/301,139,947) x 2.59 = 410,663

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Anonymous oliversnit said...

Yes, the US is sooooo bad. We deserve everything we are getting because of our history with the Indians, slaves, mexicans blah, blah, blah.....

But soon, we will be having the good communist self-criticism sessions and maybe even a few gulags to try and get communism just right. We have to try it at least once.

I really love the one about American provincialism. Yes, Europeans are so much more mature but that means old and worn out due to a 1000 years of hacking each other to death. I believe they invented colonialism and slavery actually. The Brits invented concentration camps during the Boer War.

We are just soooo awful. I am sure Mr. Obama and the leftist democrats will gladly open our borders to every loser in the world. We get the losers you know. They cross our borders daily. There is nothing for them in Mexico. Oh, that's right, if only Mexico had retained the SW US they would be soooo prosperous and maybe even have a rule of law.

I have to go get my latte' now. You know what latte' means don't you in english? "You paid way to much for that cup of coffee dude."

Sunday, 12 October, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

Oliversnit:

Communism has been discredited. It is sooo 10 years ago. Even socialism has been discredited, and now finally capitalism of the American variety is being discredited as we speak. Hegel was right: first you have a thesis (capitalism), then an antithesis (communism) then a synthesis. There have already been syntheses of the European democratic socialism variety and the Chinese state capitalism variety, and now we're approaching morphing the global economic system into something else. There will be a new Bretton Woods agreement. Bretton Woods is dead. Long live Bretton Woods!

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

oliversnit:

Your expressions would seem to make the US a "me too" country, always a hair behind the curve. Our reactions to the current financial crisis would appear consistent with that.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger FirstForty said...

Dr Reich, your post is spot on as always. In view of it, I wanted to offer an idea for public investment for your consideration and perhaps communication to Mr Obama.

With trillions of investment dollars now on the sideline, I would propose what could be called "America Bonds". These would be similar to savings bonds but all money goes only to American infrastructure investment. It might even be possible to separate the investment into roads, schools etc. But the point is that all money would go to American infrastructure investment. The bonds should pay a point higher than savings bonds and be fully protected.

This would be a patriotic way to invest in American.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger tiptoe said...

Things could always be worse:

"Zimbabwe inflation hits 231 million per cent

In June the statistic stood at 11.2 million per cent a year, but the state-owned Herald newspaper said that in July it was more than 20 times higher. Monthly inflation was 2,600.2 per cent, it added.

A loaf of bread, which cost Z$500 at the beginning of August, now costs between Z$7,000 and Z$10,000, even when it can be found.

The root cause of the country's hyperinflation is the government's policy of printing ever more money to meet its own needs, which has the effect of destroying the Zimbabwe dollar's value in terms of hard currency, sending the cost of anything imported soaring."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/3167379/Zimbabwe-inflation-hits-231-million-per-cent.html

There's always someone worse off than we are.

tt

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Sue said...

Dr. Reich,

Would you please comment on Senator McCain's suggestion that the solution to the current economic & financial problems is a spending freeze? That seems exactly backward to me. Thanks.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Ryan said...

So a higher percentage of Americans have health insurance now than in 1993? 1993-- 35 million people without health insurance / 255 million people = 13.7% without insurance 2008-- 50 million people without health insurance / 305 million people = 16.4% without health insurance. Another misrepresented stat, top 1% of earners make 20% of income, but pay 40% of total income tax. But they should pay their fair share right Lefties? What about Obama's bright plan to let people withdraw from retirement accounts early with no penalty. That makes great sense. I invite responses....

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

That's a weird argument you make Ryan.

you give us figures that you say are misrepresentations. In other words, lies, then you ask us to what, refute the lies you're posting?

What is your point? Is it to take jabs at people who don't love how Republicans have remade the economy and screwed up the banking system?

Is it because you favor the 'Borrow and Blow' philosophies over 'Tax and Spend'?

Is that why you come to a forum made up of mostly fiscal conservatives and call us lefties? Are you so far right on the 'Conjure and Waste' scale that old style conservatives are now far to the left of you?

We have come a long way when conservatism is refined as wastealotism and the old style conservatives are now the freedom loving liberals.

Up is down, left is right, wasting resources is the new conservation.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Ryan said...

Sorry Weaseldog, the post was a bit out of line. I get upset at the way politicians use statistics (i.e. not using percentages like Mr Reich should have done when comparing the health care rates). Apologies to those on the comment board who were offended. I come to the board to educate myself on the contrarian view which I wish all would do regardless of affiliation.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

It's cool Ryan.

I've been hearing so much crazy talk lately that's hard for me to tell what people are taking seriously.

I heard a guy on the train this morning saying that he's voting for McCain, because Obama refuses to change his name to something that sounds more American.

It wasn't that he's voting for McCain that bothered me, but that he was casting a vote based on how generic of a name a candidate has. I'm sure many other people are on his wavelength.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

John Lawrence,

You asked me what the influence is of lobbyists, advertising, and money in European politics compared to America. I can give you some quick thoughts from my long experience living, working and voting in The Netherlands.

I'll come direct to your questions and then, for readers, it's important to explain how the Dutch government works .... which is not too dissimilar to how other European governmental systems work.

First, lobbyists work for themselves. They try to influence members of the Dutch Parliament but they make NO donations to politicians.

The parties (Holland has 10 of which four are dominant) are financed by the government (taxpayers in general). The larger the party the more the government pays to that party to finance its campaigns.

The parties, not individuals, receive money to finance their campaigns. Individual costs are paid by the party an individual represents. So the parties make campaigns and finance campaigns.In effect, the party is campaigning, not individuals... a pretty hard concept to understand for Americans unless you have seen it in operation. It works well in this small land.

A new development is that private money can come to new parties (NOT to individuals) not yet officially represented in government. But the sums are very, very small.

The parties pay for TV advertising from funds received from the government.

So, it's not a big MONEY GAME. The basic principles are that:

"Money should not rule democracy," or, "You can't buy democracy."

The Dutch government is what you could call a constitutional monarchy with a Parliamentary system (like UK). It is not only comprised of the Ministers and the state secretaries, but also the monarch, Queen Beatrix.

The constitution has determined how the powers are divided between the Queen and the other institutions of the government. For instance, the Parliament has been given certain rights to check the power of the government. Importantly, although the central government Ministers are accountable to Parliament, the Queen, who has no political responsibility, is not.

The Cabinet's responsibilities are: preparing and implementing legislation, overseeing the local government, carrying out the day-to-day business of government, and maintaining international relations.

The Parliament forms part of a representative democracy made up of two chambers: the Upper House (like our Senate), whose 75 menbers are elected by the members of the provincial councils (unlike America); and the Lower House (like our House of Representatives), whose 150 members are elected directly by the people (like America).

The two houses of Parliament have been given four rights: the right to set a budget; the right of interpellation; the right to put questions to ministers and state secretaries; and the right to inquiry. The Lower House has been given two further rights: the right of amendment and the right to propose legislation.

The Lower House of Parliament is elected by proportional representation and currently there are ten parties in the Lower House. The four largest are the PvdA (or labor party); the CDA (mainstream Christian Democrats with Jan Peter Balkenende as leader and current Prime Minister of Holland), a merger of three confessional parties that bases many of its ideas on religious principles; the recently third 3rd largest party is the SP, or Socialist party; and the VVD, the conservative party now in 4th place.

Modern Dutch society is very secular, and not many Dutch people identify with an organizd religion. Of the Dutch people who in these times claim church affiliation, about half are Catholic and half are Protestant.

This multi-party system insures very effective representation of the needs of all sectors of society. It fosters a coming together to reach a consensus, a give and take in all the various areas so characteristic of Dutch society and Dutch politics.

We must note that Holland comprises 17 million people on a land territory half the size of my State of Maine. In fact, all of the European countries have this very dense people-to-land situation, unlike America. This makes it easier to see, discuss, and solve problems with a microscopic eye ... again unlike America with its 50 different states and 300 million people spread over a land territory half as dense as Europe.

So, from a pure logistical standpoint, central governments in Europe are relatively very close to their provincial and municipal governments (unlike the US). The central government concern itself with issues of national interest. The provincial (regional) governments occupy themselves with social work, cultural affairs, environmental management, spatial planning, energy , and sports. The municipal governments concern themselves with traffic, housing, social services, health care, culture, the water supply, public schooling, sports, and recreation.

So, there's a tight coordination and communication among central, regional, and local governmental institutions on behalf of ALL citizens.
Frank Thomas, The Netherlands

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous steve from virginia said...

Academic economic theory is taking a beating from circumstances and it won't be totally discredited until the US government defaults and leaves the entire country in abject poverty ... next year!

"Under these circumstances, deficit spending is not unwelcome. Indeed, as spender of last resort, the government will probably have to run deficits to keep the economy going anywhere near capacity ..."


Our 'economic capacity' is a house of cards built on a foundation of cheap credit, opaque markets and outright fraud. When the Fed, through its liquidity facilities accepts this fraudulent debt product - in amounts that exceed a $1 trillion and growing - it permanently impairs its own balance sheet! Hello!

Our 'production' is a myth, with expenditures labeled as income, costs labeled as capital investments. What can one do with a house to earn money with it outside of rent it (at a loss), grow pot in it or use it as a whorehouse?

Answer; burn it for the insurance money!

"... a lesson the nation learned on a large scale when mobilization for World War II finally lifted us out of the Great Depression."

WW II didn't lift us out of the Great Depression; the US economy shifted to a command economy modeled on that of the Kaiser's Imperial German Reich in the First World War. The US decentralized production, put unemployed men into uniform, put women and blacks into war production ... that was wasted on battlefields. Domestic production was limited and sharply rationed. Certainly, no one, not even an economist can claim WW II was an 'improvement' ... even over peaceful poverty of the Depression.

Our economy is obsolete, wasteful, inaccurate in its reporting, dishonestly operated. It will never get 'back to normal' since normal is a Ponzi scheme.

All our deficits are financed overseas. Our creditors have problems of their own and are approaching a limit as to what they can - or will - lend to us. We have a zero percent savings rate.

In 1933 we had a 15% savings rate. We had a hard currency. What do we have now?

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous yoski said...

ryan:
" Another misrepresented stat, top 1% of earners make 20% of income, but pay 40% of total income tax. But they should pay their fair share right Lefties? What about Obama's bright plan to let people withdraw from retirement accounts early with no penalty."
The top 1% pay no 6.2% social security tax on the vast majority of their income. You forgot that one. Plus they get bailed out once their get rich quick schemes turn south. Tax 'em while you can.
Letting people withdraw from their 401K without penalty is a great idea. I'll clean that sucker out to that last penny and move it off shore before government and other assorted thieves confiscates it to bail out rich bankers on Wall Street.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous yoski said...

"As America’s housing stock regains value, as we all hope it will,..."
We don't ALL hope that. What's wrong with affordable housing? Why should housing be unaffordable to the majority of working Americans?Do we all hope that gasoline prices "regain value"? How about prices for milk and cereal? Do we want those to go up in price as well?

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art a layman:

You read too much into published statistics on current median home prices relative to their decline over the past year. Median prices used in this data cover homes that have actually sold. They do not cover the vast multitude of homes that sit on the market for a year and never find a buyer because no one will offer even close to the asking price. These are the folks asking for double or more of what they purchased them for a couple or three years earlir, all hoping to make a small fortune on the housing bubble. Oh, and today's median price is around $203,000.00.
The reason we got into todays credit mess is because the 'market' tried to find a way to finance "wants and needs" that did not have the resources which are necessary for real demand to exist.
You ridicule my example of the 48k household buying the 350 k house, but that is exactly why there is a mess today. Irresponsible financial institutions actually gave out mortgages like this !!!The lenders counted on the home value appreciating dramaticaaly within a year or two, so if they had to foreclose they would sell the house for a new price greater than the mortgage value.
Thebubble ain't going to reinflate for a real long time.

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous Workerbee said...

How about, instead of just cutting a government check to the auto makers, we replace the missing demand?

Buy a new government auto fleet. How about a new fuel efficient mail truck fleet? It would create work, help the auto industry, and reduce oil imports and keep on employees.

We have a national interest in a manufacturing base, full employment to service our large debt burden. I can think of no national interest as important as a sound economy.

Can you?

Monday, 13 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe that so many of the blog responses have blamed homeowners for the mess we are in. I recognize that these home owners are involved, but only peripherally.
This logic is like the argument that companies that make matches support and encourage arsonists.
The majority of blame should be pointed to the highly educated (now unemployed) professionals in the investment banking sector that over rated the sub-prime mortgages as AAA securities. These ratings were lies and misrepresentations.
Then, these same institutions leveraged themselves 30 times over assets, which equates to a Ponzi scheme and is one of the highest risk forms of gambling.
Also, Paulson's misguided attempts at staving off our financial crisis are not working and seem to change daily.
Letting Lehman fall into bankruptcy should have never happened. It was irrational given all the other efforts that were managed to save other organizations. Lehman’s bankruptcy has led to a global panic, which is a collective vote of no confidence.
Ordinary folks are voting with their feet and leaving the market, which has been under regulated and now mistrusted capitalism.
We can’t trust the market is fair.
We can’t trust those trying to fix the situation.
We can’t trust that things will improve.
We don’t trust our government.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

silverfox:

I believe it was you who pointed out that the supply/demand equation also includes the ability to buy what is desired. I accept that premise. It would therefore follow that the only valid statistics of median home prices are completed sales. The first criteria in supply/demand is a price upon which a "willing buyer" and a "willing seller" can agree.

The asking price provides us little anaytical value if there are no buyers willing to pay that price. Essentially asking prices, if uncompetitive in the marketplace, mean nothing. Over time the asking prices will decline to offered prices or an offeror will come along willing to pay the asking price. Is that not the way supply/demand establishes prices?

In economic downturns home sales tend slow, with or without a housing bubble at the root. The current situation is intensified because the housing bubble contributed significantly to this downturn. I have never suggested that home prices will return to pre-bubble levels quickly; second, etc., bounces never go as high as the original toss, but once a bottom is reached and the economy begins to rebound and the oversupply of homes is gobbled up, home prices will begin to rise again. As "experts" begin to project a bottom there will be a flurry of home buying to take advantage of bottom prices. A few days ago there were "experts" suggesting that it would take years for the stock market to rebound to its levels of a couple of weeks ago.

Are there folks out there looking to make a small fortune on their home purchase? Highly likely. But why is that a problem? If some of them have the resources they may be willing to sit for a couple of years without selling the house. More likely many will lower prices to find equilibrium and sell their homes. In the real estate market a 16% drop in pricing is significant($203,000 versus $169,900) and in many instances equilibrium might come before swallowing all of the 16%, in others maybe not. My only point in referencing a median price - I don't normally put much stock in medians - was to suggest that there are many affordable homes for a family earning $48,000/year.

Are there examples of lenders pushing $350,000 homes on $48,000/year earners? I'll take your word for it but I doubt it represents the norm in the current fiasco. Without a healthy downpayment your $48,000/year family would have a tough time with a $150,000 to $200,000 mortgage, depending on many other variables.

Cause and effect, chicken and egg, there is a fine line to the question. I would accept that at the outset lenders might have been trying to satisfy "wants and desires" but that motivation was short-lived, if it was ever there at all. Once a secondary market developed for securitized mortgage packages with all the attendant vehicles like, credit default swaps and subdividing into multiple tranches, the motivation shifted, as it always does, to profits. The profits were so plentiful, seemingly, that lenders had to create and expand the market for home buying to keep feeding the beast. The problem was not in attempting to feed the "wants and desires" of consumers with responsible flexing but rather attempting to feed the profit hunger by flexing beyond reasonable bounds. Banks could fund mortgages and then sell them to voracious markets over and over again, leaving them with no liability for the orginal mortgages and significant profits from the issuing and selling process. In net, greed drove the process not a desire to assist home buyers.

You and I are probably not that far apart in the final analysis but I have been around this world long enough to have developed a faith in the marketplace that finds it hard to accept long term "doom and gloom". I have lived through many ups and downs and have seen things continue to improve even as prices, of everything, always rise. Granted we may have hit a plateau that requires a huge shift in priorities. We both agree that wages need to increase. I don't see how that happens quickly but far greater minds than mine are becoming aware of the issue. What is unfortunate is that conservatices have brainwashed so many into believing the problem is high taxes and not low wages.

Like many of our best minds, I am befuddled by the implications of globalization on our entire economic model. Clearly the premise that expanding markets should provide expanded growth makes sense, on its face. At present however, it seems that at this worldwide barbecue we are the pig invited only for the picking.

Your solace, should you choose to accept it, is that if you're right, you can tell me "I told you so" over and over as we stand in the bread lines together.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bobby... this blog is getting stale and redundant..

The world and it's effects on our lives and future are changing daily...

What up????

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I truly hope that Professor Paul Krugman will be an advior to President Obama. He just won the Nobel Prize in Economics and reading his works over the years tells me he is the best and one of the brightest.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I truly hope that Professor Paul Krugman will be an advior to President Obama. He just won the Nobel Prize in Economics and reading his works over the years tells me he is the best and one of the brightest.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Reich,
Are you the next Secretary of the Treasury?

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Workerbee said...

I truly hope we have an economist that isn't bogged down in the forest of financial schemes.

And understands that at the bottom of all economics is.

Labor vs. Property.

Devalue labor, you devalue your currency. Ultimately, over time, labor demand will set the prices of property.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Mike said...

Dear Prof Reich,

A quick but important question.

I worry that the newly proposed $250 billion buyout of stock in banks is a terrible move. Though buying up bad mortgage-backed securities may not seem like a great alternative, at the very least it provides incentive to government to prop up homeowners so that the Treasury can recoup its investment over the medium to long term. Propping up homeowners, in turn, is much more likely to stimulate the economy AND help the financial services industry than simply propping up banks.

I don't see any guarantee that saving banks will ensure an economic recovery or even prevent a deep recession/depression (particularly with the FDIC around). But that's what I fear government will be forced to spend more and more energy and resources doing if it becomes a major stakeholder in these institutions.

In general, there are obviously some critical connections between the financial markets and the economy, but at what point is it prudent to stop expending time and resources shoring up banks and start focusing on direct efforts to save/revive the economy (which will, in turn, help banks and financial markets rebound).

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art a Layman:

The root cause of the problem is that every aspect of modern American life is based on the unsupportable assumption that our economy, as measured by GDP, will grow by 3% to 4% or more every year, forever and ever. However there is no solid reason to support this premise, and there is nothing magical about free market capitalism to make it grow forever without exhaustion. Economies grow when there are specific causitive factors, such as conquest of other rich nations or developing vast new material resources or government interventions. In the US, the causitive stimulus for growth since WWII had been easy money( inflation)followed by easy credit (Federal, state, corporate, individual), all government interventions. Now that the debt bubble has collapsed, it is hard to think what new trick Congress may have up it's sleeve to re-ignite GDP growth,having pushed the printing and/or borrowing of money to the limit. And without continued GDP growth while population grows at near 2% annually, everybody's slice of the economy will get smaller and smaller every year. And that does not bode well for appreciation of housing prices.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Doc:

Saw you with Andrea Mitchell today. Pretty good overall but I always hate that news pundits love to ask complex questions when there is only time for simple answers.

If I heard you right, I would agree that Obama's 401K withdrawal plan, albeit limited, will have the effect that McCain is proposing, in that it will cause a drain of capital from the stock market, mostly via mutual funds. Of course that is not the same as a capital drain in the credit markets; an obscurity I'm sure that Phil Gramm, through his mouthpiece John McCain, was trying to piggyback on. Oldest trick in the book is misusing current buzz words that mean one thing but twisting them to fit another.

My question is, would not McCain's (Gramm's) reduction in capital gains tax rates and increased capital loss writeoffs not, in effect, be doing the same thing? Yea, you can argue that this money will be reinvested netting zero impact but in today's market that is not a given. Notwithstanding your point that both those ideas benefit the wealthy far more than the middle class, it would seem to me that the capital drain could be far greater by favorably treating capital gains versus the limited plan of Obama.

There will be some, sorely in need, who will withdraw from their 401Ks but many will not since they view that as retirement income and now more than ever it looks like they will need all they can get. On the other hand, closing out stock positions to take advantage of significant tax savings could cause billions to be moved out of the stock and bond markets. I have always longed to be in the position where I would defer transacting, resulting in capital gains, because of an unfavorable tax impact.

I probably should be excited about McCain's idea for allowing me to put off selling my investments, yielding taxable income, in my elderly, retirement years. He did fail to mention that I don't have to recognize all of my tax sheltered income at once but merely have to commence withdrawals. His implication also seemed to suggest that after 70 1/2 I'm not allowed to have stock investments anymore. I suppose we should never let facts get in the way of "truth".

His idea of making unemployment taxes tax free ain't bad. Sarah just asserted that if I'm unemployed and drawing benefits I shouldn't have to be worried with another txable income issue. Let me assure her that having been there done that on more than one occasion the absolute last concern I had was the tax impact of my unemployment benefits. My first concern was that the weekly benefits did little more than fill my car with gas.

I realize that you end up betwixt and between in those interviews but perhaps a more focused answer on the issues, as opposed to throwing in some campaigning for Obama, might be more helpful to the general populace. Those of us who are deeply imbedded in the fray already know and understand Obama's plans and their superiority over McCain's. Those who don't ain't likely to be watching MSNBC in the middle of the afternoon. Focus more on your expertise and less on your campaigning.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Mike, cc: Dr. Reich

I appreciate your question.

For when Sweden had a similar financial disaster of an enormous scale in 1992, they took over the banks ONLY AFTER the banks wrote off their bad debts. Then the government nationalized and invested in the banks' bringing about a healthy recapitalization structure. The shareholders lost everything! With improved bank operations under direct Oversight of government and return of better market conditions, the government eventually sold its interest to the stock market 3 or 4 years later ... recovering at least 65% of its ownership investment (for the taxpayers).

We are now planning to acquire stock ownership in banks amounting to a total stock investment of $250 billion including the toxic debt of these banks. We are being
"NICER" to banking institutions than Sweden was.

You are right to say this seems more risky. However, it is risky with the moderating exception that by our ownership position we have some legal rights to force banks to deploy much of the injection of funds for a stock ownership towards helping those threatened with foreclosures. The option of just buying the toxic mortgage debt at a discount is perhaps MORE RISKY as no one knows final value of mortgage debt and banks receive less funds to help their serious liquidity situation.

The Swedes did it right by my judgement but our typical American extenuated concerns for relying on market forces have caused us to go halfway on the Swedish ownership recapitalization version.

Time will tell whether ours was wise financial strategy or not. Obviously, Paulson and Bernanke seem to feel the value of the toxic mortgage debt may be grossly understated. On the positive side, if this is true and when things improve economically, the stock ownership approach will result in a much more attractive return of taxpayer funds for the risks taken than just purchasing the toxic debt.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Mike said...

Frank Thomas, cc: Dr. Reich,

Thanks so much for your reply. I am not familiar with what happened in Sweden in 1992, so I can't comment on where my below concerns compare or contrast - perhaps you can help me here.

A large part of my worries revolve around the fact that the U.S. economy was headed toward recession, some said deep recession, before the credit crunch/crisis took hold (roughly August of 2007). All signs continue to indicate that the U.S. economy is significantly slowing, probably beginning to shrink, and it's hard to say when it will rebound, even if credit markets loosen up.

In this regard, successfully easing the panic on Wall Street and among investors, and restoring liquidity to credit markets are an important step but will only be the beginning of our troubles.

Much more will need to be done to get businesses and consumers making and spending money again. But the U.S. government will have so much capital tied up in these struggling banks and their bad debt that it will find itself unable to intervene in other ways to stimulate the economy and bring back confidence. Likewise, the Fed will be of little value as interests rates are already historically low and inflation concerns will keep them from printing more money.

In essence, are we getting so distracted by the noise on Wall Street that we're forgetting about the economy at large?

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

silverfox:

I realize that simplistic thinking is easier but you might be taking it to a new level.

Easy money and easy credit were not causitive factors they were facilitating factors. They were means. Following WWII increased production and construction drove GDP. It produced jobs and profits and products which improved lifestyles. No doubt some of the products were superfluous and unnecessary but one man's excess is another's need.

As with most things in capitalism we tend to drive to extremes before a change in direction is dictated. It seems we have reached the extremes of credit use. This will drive actions to better regulate it going forward. We can't eliminate credit altogether but we can corral it and limit its ability to get out of hand.

The greater causitive factor driving our historic GDP growth has been innovation and production. We have burst the production ballon and may need to start blowing up a whole new ballon. Alternative fuels is a reasonable avenue for that. In the interim infrastructure rebuilding can provide the salve to sooth the wounds. It does fit the government intervention mode but I don't sense that you have a basic problem with that if it works. Government spending does add to GDP.

Now you find it hard to think what new trick Congress may have up it's sleeve to re-ignite GDP growth.... Since you find it hard then logically no options exist? You seem a smart man and I ain't always a slouch but your question exudes a degree of pomposity. My crystal ball doesn't look far enough in the future to provide me all the answers you seek but it does look far enough backward to recognize that we seem to find ways to overcome and grow and I don't see, currently, a wall impeding us from continuing that history.

Weaseldog and Toast preach the coming end and they have valid points but, as I have expressed to them, science and innovation may be the horse to ride in this race. The PC age, to say nothing of computers in general, sparked an economic movement that added trillions to GDP growth around the world. When they were developed there were naysayers who suggested they would never get off the ground. I missed out on a possible chance at becoming a millionaire because I held that view. Few have any idea what tomorrow's PC will be.

Genetics offers tremendous opportunities with both bad things and good. Gene manipulation can extend lives but that invokes a cost in supporting those extended lives. At the same time if genetics can eliminate serious illnesses there can be tremendous healthcare savings over the span of those extended lives. Plant and animal genetics, after overcoming some hurdles, could significantly decrease the cost and supply of food in the future. Wind and solar energies will create savings and will also give rise to a manufacturing and maintenance and repair industry. By 2050 there will be products and industries that are not even in the back of peoples minds today.

I'm a big believer in positive and negative energy. Not well educated in it but believe in it. Negative energy is extremely draining and will end in giving up and failing. Positive energy compounds itself, exponentially.

"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--

As goes the economy so goes housing prices.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Mike said...

Put perhaps a bit differently...

Does this signal the end of the era of monetary policy as the best/only means for stabilizing our economies?

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Middle Class is a false state of living. It does not nor has it ever existed!

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Grace be with you all.....

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Art,

Following up on your correct remark that McCain/Palin's idea of relieving the tax burden on unemployment compensation (which is already extremely low) is like puting a bandaid on a bleeding artery rather, or offering a bisquit to someone starving.

For comparison, let me summarize again the unemployment compensation coverage in The Netherlands. I'm not familiar with the US unemployment benefits.

Two requirements must be met for a person to be entitled to an unemployment benefit in Holland:

(1) he/she must have been employed for a period of at least 26 weeks over the 36 weeks immediately prior to becoming unemployed; and

(2) he/she must have received wages over 52 days or more in at least four of the five calendar years prior to the year in which he/she became unemployed.

If only the first requirement is met, the employee will receive an unemployment benefit during the first two months of unemployment that is set at 75% of the last-earned wage (with a maximum of €177.03 ($245.00) per social security day - i.e., the maximum daily wage) and then a one month benefit of 70% of the (maximum) daily wage.

If both requirements are met, he/she will receive, in addition to this three-month benefit, a salary-related benefit of 70% of the (maximum) daily wage. The duration of the salary-related benefit depends on the employee's employment record, but can, in total, not exceed 38 months.

This policy keeps people at respectable living levels and able to continue purchasing basics at reasonable levels (supplemented by personal savings which average 6% of GDP in Holland), thus supporting the economy's GDP.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Mike,

I don't think we have forgotten about Mainstreet, but the current banking crisis is so serious that all attention is going there.

In fact, we have to help Wall Street and Mainstreet. This means very imaginative ways to help financial institutions and homeowners ... while at same time raise money, cut costs, and finally borrow more money from Chinese to regenerate and modernize our innovation drive for new alternate fuels, upgrading our infrastructure, etc. Can´t do everything now but must get the priorities right of reinvesting in the productive growth of our own house. The financing of this I call Constructive Debt that has a direct, significant job generation effect, and hence tax revenue generation effect as well.

We are now bailing out the pyramid casino Destructive Debt mania that has invaded our culture for some time. But stopping here is no option. Strict Oversight and regulatory controls are critical to restore confidence and trust in our financial system.

To resort now to a temporary freeze on government spending in an already structurally severe credit crunch situation, as McCain is posturing, carries the added risks of drastically intensifying the economic downward spiral, unemployment level, leading to even higher annual Deficits.

Foreign nations are not going to lend us money for Constructive Debt financing purposes while our banking system remains illiquid and not wisely regulated. As the Dutch are now saying, `BORING IS SEXY FOR THE BANKING COMMUNITY´... i.e., back to traditionally simple, totally transparent lending practices.

Having said this, I have to be forthright in expressing a deep concern I have of some possible major financial timebombs remaining in the Credit Default Swap area. No one really knows how many AIGs swamped with CDS contracts are still lurking out there. The exposure could be in the 100s of billions. This risk area urgently needs to be defined and identified before engaging in too many internal Investment programs requiring added massive borrowings.

So the dual necessity of injecting cash in the banking system and into internal infrastructure investments ... and doing so WITHOUT severely damaging dollar´s value or causing inflationary pressures or budget Deficits exceeding 6% of GDP ... is the Great Challenge and Balancing Act for the BEST and BRIGHTEST of our leaders in the next Administration.

In this regard, I think McCain and Palin, the latter obviously, are victims of the Peterson Principle, casting grave doubts (for me, at least) on their capabilities to deal effectively with this highly complex, 4-8 year challenge to save our nation from a long, painful economic stagnation ... catastrophic largely for the working middle-class, as usual.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Mike,

Correction: Peter Principle (not Peterson Principle)

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger Mike said...

Thanks, Frank. That essentially answers my question. If I understand correctly, you're validating my fear that the current situation - both economic and financial - is so potentially severe that only wisely chosen,(dare I say) New Deal type programs and the associated Constructive Debt will get us out. To your point, the initial government cutbacks in spending meant to balance the budget were a huge contributing factor to the worsening and prolongation of the Great Depression, whereas what finally got us out was WWII wartime spending.

And I see how getting more money from the Chinese (or maybe now the Gulf States) requires us to have our house in order with relation to the banking system.

So I guess our only hope is to see Obama get elected.

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Blogger garcam said...

All government employees, meaning federal, state and local who are earning more than $55,000.00 per year should get a 25% pay cut.

All capital gains on small business profits should be discontinued and all capital gains generated in the stock market should be taxed.

All infrastructure repair projects should be performed by small startup businesses seed funded by the US Government. Money has to be placed into the hands of low to middle class business owners.

All loan documents pertinent to the housing collapse should be reviewed for criminal intent and all parties shown to have acted in a criminal manner should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

God Bless America!

Tuesday, 14 October, 2008  
Anonymous Frank Thomas said...

Mike,

That's well summarized.

We need to wisely focus tax and stimulus polices on industrial productive investments and innovations as opposed to the junk economics of giving subsidies and special tax privileges to the financial sector and to the wealthly ... all the fault of powerful lobbyists who represent the financial and real estate industries that happen to be, not surprisingly, the biggest contributors to politicians.

All this Destructive debt and related rising interest cost burden, incurred by corporations, individuals as well as the US government robs money for the new industries and results as --Michael Hudson has so well explained in great detail (see "The System is Broken: We are Entering a Two-Economy Society" : An Interview with Michael Hudson)--in the undermining of our system by encouraging de-industrializing, privatizing and financializing of our economy in a dysfunctional way.

I've also been writing about this for a long time on Dr. Reich's blog. The drivers of our GDP -- CONSUMPTION (72% of GDP -far too high), INVESTMENT(4% of GDP -far too low) and SAVINGS (Zero -highly destabilizing as it encourages debt mania to keep standard of living up under stagnant middle- class wages up and reduces banking system liquidity for internal Investments) -- are way OUT OF BALANCE. Until corrected, they will continue to cause repeated financial breakdowns. We have this one chance to get it right now over the next 4-8 years.

Wednesday, 15 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art a layman;
Dear Art.
Apparently you have joined the ranks of believers who see free market capitalism as a religion, only capable of doing good for those who commit themselves to it's tenets.

Capitalism is a dynamic system, like every other system in the universe. It is neither good nor bad. Sometimes we derive great benefit from it; other times we suffer serious harm. It's impersonal, like all of nature.

You refer to increased post WWII production and construction, but fail to relate it to demand, which, as I have pointed out previously, requires the financial resources to satisfy wants or needs.

Example:
47 million Americans need medical coverage,but they lack the financial resources to obtain this very real life sustaining need, so that portion of market demand does not exist. But provide them with the financial means to purchase the required medical coverage and the medical industry will rapidly expand to respond to the market's demand.

Which gets us back to post WWII GDP growth. Easy money which ultimately led to 20% prime lending rates and almost crashed the economy, followed by the Reagan revolution which raised the National Debt from under a Trillion to 10 Trillion in the space of two decades. Incidently, that ten trillion was not used for capital investment to increase the overall productive capacity or increase the number of college trained engineers or rebuild our infrastructure or develop a new form of energy supplies. Nope, it was borrowed from investors and dumped into the consumer economy, sort of a really big credit card.

So if Uncle Sam does not print more cash or borrow more and give it to us, we can't keep buying all the increased production and constuction, and things kind of stagnate.

None my choice of what I would see happen, just the way things are.

Wednesday, 15 October, 2008  
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Thursday, 16 October, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

silverfox:

Sorry for the delay in getting back. So much to say , so little time.

Apparently you haven't read much of my posting (your loss?). I am far from a free market disciple or cheerleader.

You tend to get a little carried away with your means argument regarding supply and demand. I have agreed that for the cycle to be complete the means must be there but the theory is that if there is sufficient demand the supply will increase to satisfy, take advantage of, that demand and increased competition will result in lowering prices. If suppliers of goods and services just waited for consumers to acquire the means, our economy would not grow or its growth would be entirely dependent on rising wages. That could lead, and has led, to out of control inflation. The health insurance industry, even the entire insurance industry, is not typical in that respect since prices are far more dependent on risk assessment than on aggregate demand.

All that to suggest that your insurance example is apples to oranges. Homes, as with most produced or constructed goods, are economically typical in that as demand increases supply increases to achieve a range of price equalibrium. Homes are not the same as Plasma TVs in that the price disparities are significant based on home size, lot size, location, natural landscape, etc. Influenced by easy, and questionable, credit strategies, homes being built in recent times tended to be bigger and more expensive. Why? Because the demand was there and the system provided the means to make the homes salable.

After the dust settles from our current dilemma, demand, still present, will cause a flurry of bargain hunting and prices of existing homes will rise, albeit, likely more reasonably. Very possibly, since credit has tightened, builders of new homes may shift to building smaller homes on smaller lots with prices more affordable for the masses. Construction costs will be a delimiter and if, for some reason, interest rates rise, they will be a serious delimiter. Desire is demand, merely in a subdued state, and to complete the segue the marketplace will seek to establish the means.

As for your "easy money", post WWII, I gather you didn't live through the earlier years of that period. I secured my first mortgage in 1968 at an interest rate of 6.9%. By today's standards far from "easy money". 30 year fixed rate mortgages stayed in the 7-9% range from then until the late 90s/early 2000s, when they began coming down; with your noted exception of the early 80s when fixed rate mortgages rose to 16-18%. Prime during the early 80s actually got as high as 22%, if I remember correctly. This was not a result of "easy money". It was a confluence of a variety of factors, primarily inflation driven due to outlandish price rises in oil prices during the 70s - all things being relative, I could stand some of those outlandish oil prices of the 70s. Adding fuel to the fire was the fact that normal annual merit increases of white collar workers, in major companies, were in the 6-8% range for all but the poorest performers. Labor unions were still powerful and secured similar increases for blue collar workers. Credit cards were barely out of the woom, and though their use contributed to rising demand, their availability was far from "easy money".

The vaccuum cleaner bag has burst and the air is filled with dust but it will settle. When it does, many will likely have developed a new found appreciation for prudence and the pace of growth will be slower. This will affect the buying of many things but homes will be the least impacted, from a demand standpoint. Home ownership will still be strongly desired and the market will conjure up ways to meet the demand. Besides the psychological effects of home ownership there are real advantages via the tax system to owning your own home. Rent prices, as always, will impact home ownership demand. Being a sudsidiary market to home ownership there may be a rush to build more apartments, etc., to profit from that demand as well and that may temper rent rate growth but eventually rents will provide financial justification for buying versus renting. Down payments and credit histories being the most difficult hurdles.

All in all, your prognostications appear more as wishful thinking, of a punitive nature, than solid economic theory. If, in some future year, I seem to have disappeared from blogs, I will either have died or you will have been correct.

Monday, 20 October, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art a layman:

Hi Art.

I guess you and I will always disagree on the definition of "demand".

However you did shoot yourself in the foot with you observation that "..if there is sufficient demand the supply will increase to satisfy that demand.....and increased competition will result in lowering prices."

The housing bubble was not caused by lowering prices in response to increasing demand. The exact opposite was actually the case. The more market demand grew the higher, not lower, housing prices climbed. Supply competition did not materialize per your theory.

There is a big difference between textbook free market capitalism and actual free market capitalism as it operates in the real world.

If you want to get down to the root cause of today's economic problems, try this; after the close of WWII and the start of the Cold War, the US had to demonstrate to the whole world that democratic free market capitalism was better for the average worker than socialism, USSR variety. So we passed laws that were significantly in support of labor unions, and permitted the unions to gain compensation increases far in excess of productivity increases. So to shore up the union industries which otherwise would collapse from excessive labor costs, the US increased the money supply, permitting the maintenance of a steady growing market for union made goods and services. But eventually that got out of control and gave us the 22% prime rate. So now the Reagan revolution. Turn off the printing presses and the economy starts to flounder. So out comes the Federal credit card. 9 trillion bucks of borrowed money gets dumped into the consumer economy and commercial lending institutions are turned loose to loan cash to anything that breathes. And now we have a credit collapse because the credit industry tried to keep up with the housing bubble.

Can you seriously believe that 9 trillion dollars of borrowed cash poured into the consummer economy had no major role in the growth of the US economy over the past two decades?

Nope, forget all the old rules. We are stepping forward into a whole new economic world, but this time the US does not have to prove itself superior to the REDs. Besides, turning on the money printing presses again won't fool us a second time, and frankly the credit balloon is pretty much out of air for a long time to come.

Eventually house prices will hit a false bottom, and bounce up a little bit, but nowhere near the highs of recent years. And unless the geniuses in Washington come up with a gimick to stimulate growth, it will be a very long time before houses regain value as investments.

Art, I enjoyed our little discussion, and yes, I did live through the times I covered. I even once had a mortgage of 9-5/8 percent !!! And certificates of deposit that paid 11%.

Monday, 20 October, 2008  
Anonymous gerald spencer said...

RE: U S Economy Deficits
I really believe that we must preserve the economic miracle that has given our citizens one of the highest living standards in the world. This economic miracle has not been due to the efforts of Wall Street MBA's, Stock Market Gamblers, Real Estate Speculators, Economists, Insurance Salesmen, Junk Bond Salesmen, etc. It has been due to the Agricultural and Industrial Base that produced the food, goods, services and other items that we consumed, plus an excess of these goods & services that were produced and then sold to other foreign countries in order to accumulate our gold reserves through a positive balance of trade surplus payments. Our gold reserves are the basis of the value or buying power of our currency. This was (is) true of all of the currencies in the world.
The U S Medical Expertise has customers from all over the world coming to the USA and paying U S Medical Personnel for medical treatment, and this is helping the US Balance of payments. Visit the Texas Medical Center and witness the percentage of women wearing Burkas to get a clue as to the percentage of foreign medical service income is received at the Texas Medical Center.
Our computer programming technology and expertise (Microsoft and Others) has helped our balance of payments considerably in the past, but the lack of technical education in this country today will soon destroy this export capability when foreign countries become better than the USA at creating new computer software programs.
The Stock Markets are just gambling Venues for the public to make gambling wagers (investments) in ownership of publicly traded companies, securities, loans, and other investment vehicles. Investors just lost some of value of their investments, and there is nothing wrong with this loss since the value was speculation over and above the Balance sheet value of the companies. The investors should not have believed anything that their brokers told them about those or any other investments. If you review almost any of the SEC filings (on the EDGAR database) you will find almost all of the sworn information filed with the SEC is extremely false, most especially when you get away from the "Blue Chip" stocks. Lawyers must prosecute all of the Wall Street Criminals in order to create an environment where the value of investments is transparent, honest, and truthful. The Federal Government must exact criminal penalties when Sworn Lies, Sworn False Statements, and/or any other Sworn Fraudulent or Misleading Information is filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission as legally required reports. We must create an atmosphere where investors can have confidence in the honesty of our banking and securities systems as enforced by the SEC.
Many people got loans for houses they could not afford, and these people should lose their houses in foreclosure. The Federal Government pressured the Mortgage Markets to give mortgages to people with bad credit histories. Financial Managers combined multiple numbers of these low quality loans into packages (of low quality loans) and sold them to investors at (almost) face value. These Financial Managers got multi-million dollar (non-refundable) bonuses for their efforts. As more and more of these sub-prime non-credit worthy mortgagees defaulted, the value of these packages of multiple mortgages diminished drastically. The Taxpayer is now being asked to pay for these financial mistakes. Why?
The US Automakers do not need a taxpayer bailout to prevent their demise caused by their mad management and bad union contracts. If the Big 3 disappear, then others will start-up new manufacturing plants and/or the better-managed Toyota and Honda manufacturers will fill this gap.
The California real estate values will plummet to a fraction of their present sales prices. The $500,000.00 South LA crack house with a $495,000.00 mortgage, roof leaks, no air conditioning, and no plumbing owned by an unemployed person (crack cocaine supplier) might now sale for $5,000.00 and that might be closer to the actual retail sale value. No more "flipping Houses". No more real estate financial geniuses. No more get-rich-quick real estate seminars.
Wall Street does not need a bailout. Those that invested in these sub-prime securities should lose most or all of their money. This will be an incentive for these and other future investors to become more cautious of what they buy mortgages. This will cause the investors to become more skeptical concerning anything that the financial experts have to say (lies). We need for this penalty to happen. This will cause investors to be wary of and question anything that any stockbroker of other financial genius has to say.
As this country increases the import of all of the things that we consume and at the same time we destroy our industrial base that was previously used to manufacture those items that we consume, we will have to pay the working people in those foreign countries with our dollars for these items that we import. Our dollars are no longer backed by and redeemable in gold, but are now backed up by the full faith and credit of the United States of America (aka Junk Bonds).
As the government cranks up the presses to print more and more dollars, T-Bills, bonds, and similar securities to pay for all of the government payrolls, imports, entitlements, benefits, wars, welfare schemes, Wall Street Bailouts, and other things that cost money; the value and buying power of the U. S. dollar diminishes rapidly. As the industrial manufacturing countries, Oil Producing countries, other foreign governments, and various foreign citizens amass large values dollars, bonds, T-Bills and other government issued securities realize that the value (buying Power) of these items is diminishing quite rapidly; they will look for other places to place their U S dollars. These foreigners realize that the buying power of each dollar they hold is diminishing daily, so they are now coming to this country and purchase our real estate, refineries, petro-chemical industries, hotels, agri-business, breweries, remaining product manufacturing facilities, casinos, and other similar investments with those securities that they cannot redeem for gold. Our Government encourages these foreign purchases as "Investing in America". Several years ago these foreigners realized that these investments do not lose value as quickly as the dollars and other government securities lose value, but actually gain in value. We are selling the future of this country in order to borrow money to continue our high spending, high consuming, and non-producing life style with borrowed money, and our children and grandchildren will have to work really hard to pay for our lifestyles, if the USA is not a third world economy with no job possibilities.
Our political and economic leaders seem to have decided that we can continue our economic miracle by becoming a service oriented society cooking hamburgers for each other using imported beef, imported vegetables, etc.; suing each other, and selling insurance & junk bonds to each other, but definitely not manufacturing or creating anything that we consume. We are paying for our imported items by borrowing more money and/or issuing U.S Bonds (junk bonds) to redeem the dollars paid to foreign individuals and foreign governments for our imports.
We need to re-industrialize and manufacture the things that we consume. This stupidity will eventually change this country into a third world country when foreign countries discover that we will not repay (redeem the bonds) the money that they are lending us. Foreign Governments and their rulers are not stupid. They will continue buy the real estate, industries, and financial institutions located in the USA with the decreasing value bonds that we gave to them (to pay for the things that we wanted by way of imports rather than us working to manufacture these items) in lieu of gold for their dollars. The US will then be third world employees or slaves to the foreign countries that will own everything in the USA. Our children and grandchildren might also have to change to the religion of the business owner if they want a job. Future nationalization (ala Mexico) of foreign owned assets is another discussion topic for another day.
There is nothing more saddening or devastating than mass unemployment such as exists in countries such as Mexico or India. Crime, family abandonment, divorce, and other bad things increase during these periods. Our basic industries such as steel, computer chip manufacturing, petrochemical refining, appliance manufacturing, tire manufacturing, automobile parts manufacturing, aircraft manufacturing, textiles, and etc. have been decimated and/or totally eliminated from this country by OSHA and the EPA. The North American Free Trade Agreement has almost eliminated the remainder of the basic industrial manufacturing jobs from the USA. The OSHA and the EPA are the major causes of the de-industrialization of the USA. The USA must re-industrialize. Even if OSHA and the EPA were eliminated today, it would take many years to re-create the manufacturing and industrial production bases that they destroyed. New jobs created by the EPA are nice, but they are about as economically useful to our balance of payments and our industrial base as paying people for raking leaves, digging holes and re-filling the same holes, since they do not produce anything economically useful that we can consume or export. Disband OSHA and the EPA in total and fire all of those government employees. Be decisive, not timid or partial.
Our Productive Industrial Base could not exist with foreign invasion, rampant crime, protection rackets, corruption, foreign invasion, sabotage, etc., so a portion of the money earned by this industrial base has always been taken by taxation by all civilizations to pay for federal, state, and local governments to prevent these occurrences. We must tax the population base to pay for National Security, Crime Prevention, and other items that are necessary to assist and protected their industrial production base. Maybe we can no longer afford to spend taxes on social entitlements, welfare, education, medicine, housing, humanities, etc.
Our U S Government is now spending these taxes and our remaining gold reserves on entitlement schemes in order to buy votes from non-productive citizens that do not contribute to, help, or support our industrial base. There is a limit to how many non-productive people that the productive people within our industrial economic productive base can support by producing enough wealth (gold) to support these non-productive people. When our gold reserves became diminished, we then continued to expand these entitlements by borrowing money from foreign banks and foreign governments by pledging the "Full Faith & Credit of the United States of America" (aka Junk Bonds) in lieu of government security re-payment in gold. We also decided that we could allow OSHA and the EPA to close down the industrial bases that originally created these vast gold reserves that were the basis of the value of our currency. The federal gold reserve that was created by our positive balance of trade has allowed the USA to expend this gold to provide social experiments, foreign aid, wars, and other functions that would not be possible without the gold reserves created by our industrial bases. The Federal monetary system, the foreign trade deficit (or surplus), and the national debt are interrelated in this way and control our standard of living. We must educate our students and the public to this fact. If we continue to import more and more of the things that we consume, and continue to pay for these items by borrowing money (aka Selling U S Government issued Bonds) since our gold reserves are essentially gone, we could very soon end up being a third world country like Mexico, Somalia or Ethiopia with no jobs for our population. We cannot continue to ignore our balance of trade deficit. We need to be willing to do anything that will replenish our gold reserves. This can be done by exporting more dollar value of goods and services than we import, and then getting the gold from the other countries that buy more of our goods & services than they sell to us. We must improve our balance of trade situation so that we are importing gold (including cash, bonds & other securities) instead of exporting gold from our gold reserves to redeem our dollars held by the manufacturing countries. We must again begin to manufacture and/or create the things that we consume, and/or produce goods that we can export to pay for the things that we import. We can enjoy free trade if we produce enough value of products that we sell to the foreign nations that will pay us enough for those products that we export to them.
We are borrowing money (aka Selling Junk Bonds and T-Bills) from foreign countries to operate our Federal Government. These countries will soon realize that we have destroyed our industrial base and are borrowing money to purchase the things that we are consuming instead of manufacturing these items. The citizens of the exporting countries realize that their U. S. issued bonds are becoming of less and less value every day, but that they can purchase USA real estate, financial organizations, office buildings, apartments, refineries, and our remaining industries in the U.S. using their U. S. issued bonds as payment, and this prevents the devaluation of the purchasing power of their U.S. issued bonds that they obtained in exchange for the items that they exported to the U.S. for our consumption and maintaining our quality of life.
If we do not balance the federal budget and if we continue to borrow money from foreign banks and nations (aka Selling Junk Bonds and T-Bills) to pay for our social entitlements, social experiments, wars, and our balance of trade, what are we going to do when foreign banks and other nations refuse to lend us more money? Will already just crank up the printing presses like Mexico? It is not fair for us to live high on the hog with borrowed money that our children and grandchildren will have to pay back to foreign banks and foreign governments. The November 2008 federal debt of 10.57 Trillion dollars divided by 250 million citizens equals about $34,652 per person, or many times that for each productive worker that contributes to our balance of trade. We must reduce our federal government expenditures.
Our Student loan program that gives student loans to students that want to become MBA's, lawyers, artists, poets, historians, political scientists, plus all sorts of other degrees that generally do not contribute anything to our balance of trade should be eliminated. Student loans should be available for only those fields such as science, engineering, and medicine that do contribute to our industrial base and help our international trade balance. Student loans should not be available for prospective MBAs, historians, English majors, accountants, lawyers, artists, poets, theologians, actors, or any other activities that do not contribute to our industrial base or improve our balance of trade situation. Let the people that enjoy art, poetry, gambling, playing stocks, and etc. pay to support those activities.
I believe that there is very little economic future in engineering. I believe that most students today want to study business and/or economics to become Enron type Master Criminals, or like some of the other extremely wealthy master criminals of today. No person in his or her right mind would major in science or engineering since the pay scale has eroded so much (due to the import of foreign engineers who will work for just slightly above minimum wages and a Green Card). The Foreign Engineers might only be 20% as productive as US educated engineers, but they are willing to work for only 10% or 15% of the pay that US educated engineers are paid, or used to be paid, then it is twice as economically effective to employ foreign educated engineers when compared to U.S. educated engineers, except for the liability of the additional design failures.
1. What are the REQUIRED functions of a U S Federal Government?
1.1. Military - To protect us from foreign invasion and allow our industrial activities to provide products to both consume and export to thus create a positive effect on our balance of trade.
1.2. Coast Guard - To collect import tariffs, Patrol Coastlines, intercept and deport illegal aliens.
1.3. Courts & FBI - To investigate crimes and to enforce domestic laws that keep an organized economy operating with minimal disturbances due to criminal activities.
1.4. Treasury - To coin money, regulate Banking, etc.
1.5. Postal Service - To process mail - This is a terrible situation - Not as efficient as FEX, UPS, and other non-government mail services. Make it non-union and non-civil service so that postal employees will have to work to keep their jobs.
1.6. Immigration & Naturalization Service - Keep illegal immigrants out of this country and deport illegal immigrants. Reduce this agency in size by making it illegal for citizens to hire non-citizens.
1.7. DOE - We need nuclear bombs, nuclear energy, and nuclear R&D. The next time we want to make war, use Nuclear Bombs and not troops.
1.8. The tidal wave of immigration and high birth-rate of immigrants will eventually allow the immigrants to rule this country. When the Latin Americans (or Africans) take over this country, do you believe that it will be different from any other country run by Latin Americans (or Africans)? Civil and Human Rights go out the window when this happens (Washington DC, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago, etc.). Stop all immigration into this country, except those with technical educations that will contribute to the re-industrialization of the USA economy.
1.9. We need vigorous enforcement and prosecution of the people who benefited from the S&L looting. This includes getting the Keating 5 Representatives into prison. This includes asking how Bill & Hillary paid for their shares of the Whitewater land speculation. Even if you cannot get these people into prison, apply pressure to totally disgrace these people. We need to be more concerned about these white collar crimes.
2. There are some Federal Government functions that benefit the entire nation and can more easily be accomplished on a national level:
2.1. Agriculture - But eliminate the capability of this agency to distribute cash tax funds to farmers and agro-businesses. Distribute only advice and opinions to farmers. Conduct scientific agricultural research for the benefit of farmers.
2.2. FDA - To certify the quality and safety of food & drugs - This is indeed a national problem.
2.3. Health - To advise and protect us from national medical problems and concerns. To test and certify the safety of medical products and drugs. Expenditures should be limited to R&D only for the benefit of the total population. The medical expenditures in 1950 was less than 1/2 of 1% of the GNP. Today it is 16% of the GNP and rising rapidly. Maybe we should have National free health, since only the middle class pays for their health care. Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, recipients plus Illegal Immigrants get their healthcare paid for by the taxpayers anyway.
2.4. Interstate Highway - make it self supporting with fuel taxes. Trucks damage the pavement with their heavier axle weights very much more than automobiles, and should pay the most taxes. Taxes should be based exponentially upon axle weight limits so that those who damage the paving the most will pay their proportional share. Talk to the Texas Highway Department engineers in addition to the DOT.
2.5. Federal Aviation System - This system benefits the air transportation system, including private pilots (like myself). The entire cost of this system should be paid for by the air transportation system, the air passengers, the users, and not the taxpayers. Aviation fuel taxes might be the proper way to finance the total cost of the FAA.
2.6. Inter Coastal Canal System - The nation's waterways benefits the barge transportation system. The entire cost of this system should be paid for by the barge transportation system that benefits from this system, and not the taxpayers. Maritime diesel fuel taxes used by the barge system might be the proper way to finance the Inter Coastal Canal System.
2.7. NASA - This is a national ego thing - we could do without this, some R&D benefits are realized. It is not a large expenditure compared to welfare and other entitlements, but this is not a necessary expenditure. This Expenditure does give the USA some prestige & propaganda to the world that is of some small benefit.
2.8. National Parks Service - Maintain our Parks for the use of all, but increase park use fees in order to make the park users (campers) pay for all of the National Parks Service operation & maintenance cost.
2.9. Education - The local education systems have served this country well. Eliminate all of the federal education expenditures. The problems are with the local teachers that do not know the subjects that they teach. Eliminate education courses and education degrees from colleges, make the teachers learn the subjects that they want to teach. The students need to learn science to benefit the nation. Pay science teachers (that have science degrees) more than other teachers. In Texas, the state is trying to make the students study creationism. We need a constitutional amendment to prohibit the teaching or the consideration of any religious, superstition, supernatural, or other false based and/or falsely influenced theory as a legitimate science.
2.10. Banking Regulation - Have a National record of Loans made by financial institutions so that loan documentation will not be lost or destroyed by unscrupulous parties (like the Whitewater Scandal where the Clinton's loan documentation could not be found after the S&L loan files were stored at Hillary's Law firm). The banks need to be aggressively monitored and audited. Banking white collar criminals should be punished severely. These people are modern-day Willie Suttons. You should create a National registry of Loans made by financial institutions to individuals and other institutions so that loan documentation will not be lost or destroyed by unscrupulous parties such as the whitewater loans. Ken Lay was probably the most successful master criminal of all times, even though he was convicted.
2.11. Social Security - Why not limit individual benefits to the amount deposited by that individual?
2.12. DOT - Why should everyone pay for metropolitan subway systems that benefit only a few people in a particular city or region.
3. There are some Federal Government functions that should be completely eliminated:
3.1. EPA - If not disbanded, re-organize with orders not to hamper any re-industrialization of the USA - If the EPA had been created in 1865, the USA would be a third world country today, and/or part of Germany or Japan.
3.2. WELFARE - Billions of Tax Dollars for multi-generation welfare recipients should be eliminated. Taking funds from workers to pay lazy people not to work should be a crime. Paying People to watch TV and have multiple babies is not right. Referring to these un-married whores and prostitutes as single parents is an insult to the hard working single parents that do support themselves and their offspring. I am also ready to eliminate the AFDC program. What percentage of the AFDC funds are spent on crack cocaine and other drugs rather than children? What percentage of our prison population benefited from AFDC as children? We should build dormitories with large open bay sleeping quarters for the children under 18 that cannot be supported by their parents. Any parent could check their children into these facilities, and only visit their children on weekends. Minimum lengths of stay according to the school semester system could be mandated along with other rules & regulations. We need to take care of our children, but not give AFDC money to the children's parents to purchase illegal drugs. AFDC money is the only reason that many drug addicted parents and/or prostitutes want custody of their children.
3.3. Unemployment Payments - These payments just postpone relocation of people to where jobs still exist. What are we going to do after the EPA and OSHA have destroyed most or all of our industrial and manufacturing jobs entirely? There will not be any jobs anywhere in the U.S. anyway.
3.4. SSI - Free money paid to the unemployed, drunks, beggars and drug addicts? Why?
3.5. World Bank Support - This is another giveaway of U. S. Taxpayer Money to the leaders of third world governments that their leaders siphon off funds to their personal Swiss Bank Accounts. The USA should not continue to loan money to the World Bank. This will not change in the near future, or probably will never change. Generally, they will never pay the U.S. back in total.
3.6. FARM MONEY - Billions of Tax Dollars for farm price supports makes some farmers millionaires. This is welfare for farmers. Eliminate the price control part of this department and limit the expenditures to Agricultural R&D. Fire all of the other employees. Disband the Farmers Home Loan Program, and eliminate all cash payments to farmers. The family farm cannot economically compete with corporate "Agribusiness".
3.7. Social Security - Is it fair for people to pay a total of $100,000 into the system, and then draw out $200,000 retirement plus another $100,000 in Medicare benefits during retirement? Change the social Security benefits to be equal to or proportional to the amount paid into the system by each individual. Illegal Immigrants will no longer enter this country, pay $15,000 into the system during 7 quarters of employment, and then withdraw as much retirement as a person who paid into the system for 50 years plus hundreds of thousands of dollars for Medical Care. I have heard that many of these Illegal Aliens have several Different Social Security Accounts under different names, and draw several retirement checks under these under different names. Maybe we cannot afford Social Security as it is currently structured. Make maximum individual personal benefits equal the total individual contributions. Raise the retirement age, let the benefits float to control costs to match the funds that might be available. Eliminate Medicare. Medicare is Welfare for the Medical Profession. As an alternate, create a socialized medical system, since only the middle class working people pay for their own family medical care.
3.8. HOUSING - Stop spending billions of tax dollars for Housing Projects, Mass Transit, Dams, and other projects that only benefit certain people. Stop promising Park Barrel projects to each and every city in order to get votes. The people that benefit should pay for the cost of the things that only benefit those few people. Why is housing a national problem and not a local problem? Why do federally funded housing projects turn into drug and crime areas? Disband the Department of Housing and fire all of the employees.
3.9. EPA - The Environmentalists & Sierra Club want to close all industries that emit any pollution. They want polluting industrial plants must close down and relocate the jobs to foreign countries. The Companies will then fire the USA workers and hire foreign workers in the relocated plants. These industrial plants and jobs have been generally lost forever. The Environmentalists have created conditions so that the continental USA is not even considered as a site for any type of new plant or industry that would create any jobs for USA citizens. Jobs that do not produce the food, shelter and clothing that we consume are useless make-work jobs like raking leaves and/or performing environmental clean-up. If the EPA had been created in 1865, the USA would be a third world country today.
3.10. TAXES - Why not have a National Retail Sales Tax instead of an income tax. Those purchasing the most probably make the most income and/or do not work and then have the large income from some trust account. We could then fire most of the IRS personnel. You could exempt grocery store food (and maybe residential rents) to help low income people.
3.11. NEA - Disband the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities, and fire all of the employees. Taxpayers should not have to pay for these useless activities. The taxpayers should not have to support and pay for monuments to Lawrence Welk, pornographic photographs, bridges to nowhere, etc. Let those that enjoy the pornography & any other types of art funded by this agency pay for it. The public does not need to pay for any art. It is a small expenditure, but it represents disrespect for and is an insult to the Hardworking Citizen Taxpayer when public tax funds are expended for pornographic art, like photographs of crucifixes in bottles of the artist's urine. I wonder how much the government employees paid for that photograph. The average citizen probably does not approve or even care for anything that the "Art Experts" have done with public fund expenditures. How did this silly agency ever get started?
3.12. The textile and clothing manufacturing jobs were relatively low paying, low skill, labor intensive jobs. This industry could be easily re-created if we wanted it by prohibiting clothing imports. Un-employment due to Labor costs are the prime factor in the loss of these industries. If unemployment of our un-educated and un-skilled citizens persists, trade barriers might need to be re-erected to re-create this type industry. We also need high technology jobs that require education. This is one of the few industries that the EPA did not destroy. Foreign labor availability and lower labor costs will probably destroy the jobs in the high technology industries in the USA.
3.13. The Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act has made millionaires of many lawyers, released many murderers and other criminals that subsequently committed additional murders and other violent crimes from prison. This has made crime an attractive career for younger people to emulate. This act has removed the deterrence factor from our criminal law system. Repeal this act. This act has transformed our penal system from a place of punishment to a place of Relaxation, Body Building, Weight Lifting, and watching Cable TV for the convicted prisoners.
3.14. NEH - Let those who want to study the humanities do it at their own expense. The citizens cannot afford any of this expense. There is no benefit to the nation for any of these expenditures.
3.15. Mental Health - Let those who want to have mental health treatment do it at their own expense. Why enrich the psychiatrists and psychologists at taxpayer expense? Most of the recent mass murderers have been under the care of psychiatrists and psychologists anyway.
3.16. HUD - Building of new high rise slums where crime enforcement is not possible (unless the tenants become armed) has been a huge waste of funds.
3.17. Foreign Aid - Why should we give taxpayer money to governments that bribe our U.S. government employees to sell them our U.S. national asset type secrets?
Many countries are losing confidence in the use of the dollar as the benchmark for world trade and currency value. The Euro and other currencies are now being talked about as a replacement for the US Dollar as the Benchmark for international Currency Values.

Friday, 14 November, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fedral deficit is at an all time high. on simple somutions for lowering this debt is a very serious subject. the government does grow its own marijuana. They should legalize it an put out the 300+ billion a year industry (just marijuana,not including the other illicit drugs that are sold every day that price is even higher per year) that 300+ billion goes tax free every year the the numerous dangerous drug dealers. The War On Drug AND I QUOTE FROM An Video with obama,"Is a complest and utter failure."

Sunday, 07 December, 2008  
Blogger Every Inch Counts said...

The last time the top 1 percent took home 20 percent of national income, not incidentally, was 1928.

That about says it all Robert.

Oliversnit,

Very nicely put, but I would argue that when everyone owns slaves, you have to listen to someone.

Oh and Mr. "I'M writing my book on some famous dudes blog" Gerald Spencer, try starting one yourself...OMG

Saturday, 20 December, 2008  
Blogger Every Inch Counts said...

Kayxyz says:
For future military spending, I suggested before that someone with a level head look out into the future 5-8 years, decide what America needs, and write the defence budget accordingly.

And what would you have spent to prevent 911 five years before? A really big wall around NY city?

Deploy attorneys? OMG! Don't you squeeze them out of a tube?

Single payer health care? You mean one dude, like Uncle(Comrade)Sam?

Saturday, 20 December, 2008  
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