The Mini Depression and the Maximum-Strength Remedy
This is not the Great Depression of the 1930s, but nor is it turning out to be merely a bad recession of the kind we've experienced periodically over the last half century. Call it a Mini Depression. The employment report last Friday shows job losses accelerating, along with the number of Americans working part time who'd rather be and need to be working full time. Retail sales have fallen off a cliff. Stock prices continue to drop. General Motors is on the brink of bankruptcy. The rate of home foreclosures is mounting.
When Barack Obama takes office in January, he will inherit a mess. (Because I'm an informal economic adviser, I should remind anyone who reads this blog that it reflects only my thoughts and therefore should not be attributed to him or to anyone else advising him.) What to do?
First, understand that the main problem right now is not the supply of credit. Yes, Wall Street is paralyzed at the moment because the bursting of the housing and other asset bubbles means that lenders are fearful that creditors won't repay loans. But even if credit were flowing, those loans wouldn't save jobs. Businesses want to borrow now only to remain solvent and keep their creditors at bay. If they fail to do so, and creditors push them into reorganization under bankruptcy, they'll cut their payrolls, to be sure. But they're already cutting their payrolls. It's far from clear they'd cut more jobs under bankruptcy reorganization than they're already cutting under pressure to avoid bankruptcy and remain solvent.
This means bailing out Wall Street or the auto industry or the insurance industry or the housing industry may at most help satisfy creditors for a time and put off the day of reckoning, but industry bailouts won't reverse the downward cycle of job losses.
The real problem is on the demand side of the economy.
Consumers won't or can't borrow because they're at the end of their ropes. Their incomes are dropping (one of the most sobering statistics in Friday's jobs report was the continued erosion of real median earnings), they're deeply in debt, and they're afraid of losing their jobs.
Introductory economic courses explain that aggregate demand is made up of four things, expressed as C+I+G+exports. C is consumers. Consumers are cutting back on everything other than necessities. Because their spending accounts for 70 percent of the nation's economic activity and is the flywheel for the rest of the economy, the precipitous drop in consumer spending is causing the rest of the economy to shut down.
I is investment. Absent consumer spending, businesses are not going to invest.
Exports won't help much because the of the rest of the world is sliding into deep recession, too. (And as foreigners -- as well as Americans -- put their savings in dollars for safe keeping, the value of the dollar will likely continue to rise relative to other currencies. That, in turn, makes everything we might sell to the rest of the world more expensive.)
That leaves G, which, of course, is government. Government is the spender of last resort. Government spending lifted America out of the Great Depression. It may be the only instrument we have for lifting America out of the Mini Depression. Even Fed Chair Ben Bernanke is now calling for a sizable government stimulus. He knows that monetary policy won't work if there's inadequate demand.
So the crucial questions become (1) how much will the government have to spend to get the economy back on track? and (2) what sort of spending will have the biggest impact on jobs and incomes?
The answer to the first question is "a lot." Given the magnitude of the mess and the amount of underutilized capacity in the economy-- people who are or will soon be unemployed, those who are underemployed, factories shuttered, offices empty, trucks and containers idled -- government may have to spend $600 or $700 billion next year to reverse the downward cycle we're in.
The answer to the second question is mostly "infrastructure" -- repairing roads and bridges, levees and ports; investing in light rail, electrical grids, new sources of energy, more energy conservation. Even conservative economists like Harvard's Martin Feldstein are calling for government to stimulate the economy through infrastructure spending. Infrastructure projects like these pack a double-whammy: they create lots of jobs, and they make the economy work better in the future. (Important qualification: To do this correctly and avoid pork, the federal government will need to have a capital budget that lists infrastructure projects in order of priority of public need.)
Government should also spend on health care and child care. These expenditures are also double whammies: they, too, create lots of jobs, and they fulfill vital public needs.
Expect two sorts of arguments against this. The first will come from fiscal hawks who claim that the government is already spending way too much. Even without a new stimulus package, next year's budget deficit could run over a trillion dollars, given the amounts to be spent bailing out Wall Street and perhaps the auto industry, and providing extended unemployment insurance and other measures to help those in direct need. The hawks will argue that the nation can't afford giant deficits, especially when baby boomers are only a few years away from retiring and claiming Social Security and Medicare.
They're wrong. Government spending that puts people back to work and invests in the future productivity of the nation is exactly what the economy needs right now. Deficit numbers themselves have no significance. The pertinent issue is how much underutilized capacity exists in the economy. When there's lots of idle capacity, deficit spending is entirely appropriate, as John Maynard Keynes taught us. Moving the economy to fuller capacity will of itself shrink future deficits.
The second argument will come from conservative supply-siders who will call for income-tax cuts rather than spending increases. They'll claim that individuals with more money in their pockets will get the economy moving again more readily than can government. They're wrong, for three reasons. First, income-tax cuts go mainly to upper-income people who tend to save rather than spend. Most Americans pay more in payroll taxes than in income taxes. Second, even if a rebate could be fashioned, people tend to use those extra dollars to pay off their debts rather than buy new goods and services, as we witnessed a few months ago when the government sent out rebate checks. Third, even when individuals purchase goods and services, those purchases tend not to generate as many American jobs as government spending on the same total scale because much of what consumers buy comes from abroad.
Fiscal hawks and conservative supply siders notwithstanding, a major stimulus is in order. Government is the spender of last resort, and the nation is coming close to its last resort.
When Barack Obama takes office in January, he will inherit a mess. (Because I'm an informal economic adviser, I should remind anyone who reads this blog that it reflects only my thoughts and therefore should not be attributed to him or to anyone else advising him.) What to do?
First, understand that the main problem right now is not the supply of credit. Yes, Wall Street is paralyzed at the moment because the bursting of the housing and other asset bubbles means that lenders are fearful that creditors won't repay loans. But even if credit were flowing, those loans wouldn't save jobs. Businesses want to borrow now only to remain solvent and keep their creditors at bay. If they fail to do so, and creditors push them into reorganization under bankruptcy, they'll cut their payrolls, to be sure. But they're already cutting their payrolls. It's far from clear they'd cut more jobs under bankruptcy reorganization than they're already cutting under pressure to avoid bankruptcy and remain solvent.
This means bailing out Wall Street or the auto industry or the insurance industry or the housing industry may at most help satisfy creditors for a time and put off the day of reckoning, but industry bailouts won't reverse the downward cycle of job losses.
The real problem is on the demand side of the economy.
Consumers won't or can't borrow because they're at the end of their ropes. Their incomes are dropping (one of the most sobering statistics in Friday's jobs report was the continued erosion of real median earnings), they're deeply in debt, and they're afraid of losing their jobs.
Introductory economic courses explain that aggregate demand is made up of four things, expressed as C+I+G+exports. C is consumers. Consumers are cutting back on everything other than necessities. Because their spending accounts for 70 percent of the nation's economic activity and is the flywheel for the rest of the economy, the precipitous drop in consumer spending is causing the rest of the economy to shut down.
I is investment. Absent consumer spending, businesses are not going to invest.
Exports won't help much because the of the rest of the world is sliding into deep recession, too. (And as foreigners -- as well as Americans -- put their savings in dollars for safe keeping, the value of the dollar will likely continue to rise relative to other currencies. That, in turn, makes everything we might sell to the rest of the world more expensive.)
That leaves G, which, of course, is government. Government is the spender of last resort. Government spending lifted America out of the Great Depression. It may be the only instrument we have for lifting America out of the Mini Depression. Even Fed Chair Ben Bernanke is now calling for a sizable government stimulus. He knows that monetary policy won't work if there's inadequate demand.
So the crucial questions become (1) how much will the government have to spend to get the economy back on track? and (2) what sort of spending will have the biggest impact on jobs and incomes?
The answer to the first question is "a lot." Given the magnitude of the mess and the amount of underutilized capacity in the economy-- people who are or will soon be unemployed, those who are underemployed, factories shuttered, offices empty, trucks and containers idled -- government may have to spend $600 or $700 billion next year to reverse the downward cycle we're in.
The answer to the second question is mostly "infrastructure" -- repairing roads and bridges, levees and ports; investing in light rail, electrical grids, new sources of energy, more energy conservation. Even conservative economists like Harvard's Martin Feldstein are calling for government to stimulate the economy through infrastructure spending. Infrastructure projects like these pack a double-whammy: they create lots of jobs, and they make the economy work better in the future. (Important qualification: To do this correctly and avoid pork, the federal government will need to have a capital budget that lists infrastructure projects in order of priority of public need.)
Government should also spend on health care and child care. These expenditures are also double whammies: they, too, create lots of jobs, and they fulfill vital public needs.
Expect two sorts of arguments against this. The first will come from fiscal hawks who claim that the government is already spending way too much. Even without a new stimulus package, next year's budget deficit could run over a trillion dollars, given the amounts to be spent bailing out Wall Street and perhaps the auto industry, and providing extended unemployment insurance and other measures to help those in direct need. The hawks will argue that the nation can't afford giant deficits, especially when baby boomers are only a few years away from retiring and claiming Social Security and Medicare.
They're wrong. Government spending that puts people back to work and invests in the future productivity of the nation is exactly what the economy needs right now. Deficit numbers themselves have no significance. The pertinent issue is how much underutilized capacity exists in the economy. When there's lots of idle capacity, deficit spending is entirely appropriate, as John Maynard Keynes taught us. Moving the economy to fuller capacity will of itself shrink future deficits.
The second argument will come from conservative supply-siders who will call for income-tax cuts rather than spending increases. They'll claim that individuals with more money in their pockets will get the economy moving again more readily than can government. They're wrong, for three reasons. First, income-tax cuts go mainly to upper-income people who tend to save rather than spend. Most Americans pay more in payroll taxes than in income taxes. Second, even if a rebate could be fashioned, people tend to use those extra dollars to pay off their debts rather than buy new goods and services, as we witnessed a few months ago when the government sent out rebate checks. Third, even when individuals purchase goods and services, those purchases tend not to generate as many American jobs as government spending on the same total scale because much of what consumers buy comes from abroad.
Fiscal hawks and conservative supply siders notwithstanding, a major stimulus is in order. Government is the spender of last resort, and the nation is coming close to its last resort.

116 Comments:
Dr. Reich,
Once again you're spot on. Also one of the un-intended but much needed side effects of the spending will be to lower the dollar, which will strengthen exports and reduce the advantage of outsourcing jobs.
I was so happy to see you standing on the podium with Barack! Finally change I can believe in :-)
Alex
Thank you for a cogent statement of the problem and the required actions. I do hope that your viewpoint prevails in the deliberations of the new administration.
Dear Bob -
You referenced infrastructure spending, but how about all of the money we spend/waste on military-industrial expenditures. Much of it is obsolete quickly, pork barrel, and unnecessary. It does push the economy in the same Keynesian manner as infrastructure repair and provide us with weapons to use against other nations and sell to other nations for profit and influence. Do these remain our country's goals with Mr. Obama? Or will he go after the arms establishment? He, of course, did not discuss this verboten topic during the election.
"Deficit numbers themselves have no significance."
I'm for a stimulus plan right now, but surely the size and terms of the deficit and debt matter. Going forward, if inflation were to increase, or people were less willing to fund our debt, it could become very costly to service the debt. And, while not it's not impossible that things work out, we could find ourselves having to increase taxes to such a high level to pay for government spending and programs that it could hurt the economy or cause the taxpayers of the time to balk at paying the bill.
My only point is, since I agree we're in a tight bind now, I'd prefer that going forward you not give people the belief that debts and deficits don't matter. Why can't we just say that we're in a tough spot where we need to spend money and run a deficit and increase the debt, which we'll have to deal with in the future?
Don the libertarian Democrat
Our economy today is service-oriented and building bridges and highways will benefit a very small subset of individuals and companies. Any spending will have to be much more broad-based -- into cleantech, biotech, and high tech.
I sure hope you keep these posts coming, even if you get put into the cabinet.
Another place to spend would be in education (both college and non-college). These jobs (in education) can't be outsourced and they help people adapt to the newer economy.
Bingo!
Well said, and I hope the the president-elect and the rest of the economic team are on the same page as you.
In addition to the purely domestic angle you're focusing on, I think there is a great opportunity for international cooperation to boost consumption around the globe through improving worker salaries.
Other countries are at least as scared as Washington is, but they all fear making their economies less competitive, especially now. Just as the world's central banks have been working together on monetary policy, it might be possible for the world's governments to work together on improving infrastructure, working conditions and basic wages.
I thought the idea you discussed in Supercapitalism of setting minimum wages at half the median income in each nation was a fantastic one and it would be great for stimulating the global consumer economy at this time.
Dr. Reich,
Agree with your urgent call for a substantial stimulus plan directed at new enterprises, infrastructure, energy independence ... all focused on near and long-term job growth.
I used that word "Mini Depression" in one of my recent posts to you but didn't expect you would dare raise the word. Bravo, as the times are indeed more economically perilous than can be pictured by that word "recession."
We need a MARSHALL PLAN commitment to regenerating our economy step-by-step ... with near term priority on job growth. The quickest way is Investments in Infrastructure projects including mass transit, obsolete sewer systems, fast track research into alternate fuels and renewable energy.
However, the process of selecting, awarding, and controlling such projects has long become so politicized at federal and state levels that these investments have too often become totally dysfunctional. As experts are confirming, many of the federal funds going to states for infrastructure or transportation purposes tend to end up in a plethora of politicized projects of questionable value -- short and long-term.
If the Fed is going to give out even more funds than the $700 billion bailout banks and funds to help homeowners faced with foreclosure, then a powerful stepup of infrastructure investments must come with a strict setting of priorities by qualified technical people and engineering management ... with no politicians allowed!
Obama's proposed "National Infrastructure Bank," where the aim is to depoliticize such decisions, is a step in the right direction.
There must be objective, tough cost-benefit analysis, strictly controlled competitive bidding and cost controls. Otherwise, vast sums of Fed funds will be wasted by gross inefficiences and corruption ... as has happened with the plus $750 billion of taxpayer expenditures in Iraq.
This is especially important because the SPENDING we need now is for INVESTMENT directly in our society... which delivers RETURNS. The era of Government handouts, including recent $700 billion to save the financial community from going Insolvent, should come with strict government Overviews that insure proper Returns on Taxpayer Investments.
The expected returns should be defined in advance, as difficult as that may be. Some returns will start in 1-2 years, others in 3-5 years and others will take a little longer. That's no problem as long as we have the proper sequence of priorities in place, effective control and coordination processes in hand to insure optimum execution of projects within budget and time schedule.
As someone said so well recently, "This is the end of government that doesn't insist on intelligent Returns on its Investments.
That word "Return" can be defined in a number of ways: job generation, tax revenue growth, improved productivity and cost structures (e.g., significantly increased fuel efficiency, smaller and less expensive vehicles, more efficient mass transit and sewage systems), etc.
If we do not now borrow more in the form of, what I have been calling, "Constructive Debt" rather than the recurring casino pyramid Consumption driven by Destructive Debt of the past two decades years, our economy will certainly descend into the 12 year Japanese stagnation. Furthermore, the likelihood increase that the "Mini-Depression" we are now experiencing will accelerate into something closer and closer to the 1929 scenario.
Consumers are now cutting back expenditures sharply for understandable reasons. Necessary (not trivial) Consumption needs to be jump-started ... BUT, once signs of stability return, the system should encourage consumers to start Saving a little in line with a slowly recovering economy.
Over time, this will add more liquid funds into the banking system for lending to small businesses ... bearing in mind the latter are the primary generators of jobs. A better balance among Consumption, Investment (private and public), Exports, and Saving as Drivers of GDP will over long term make us less vulnerable to the devastating financial crisises and recurring
ups and downs of past years.
The idea is to broaden the job base but not to return to the profligate spending and personal debt cocaine disease of the past two decades. Obama's tax cuts for the middle class are definitely needed to reduce personal debt overload, effects of inflation as well as to gradually start anew a culture of spending and saving more wisely.
I agree with Samir and Frank Thomas that the definition if infrastructure must include technology. As an example, increasing the penetration of high speed information technologies improves the efficiency of everything from manufacturing to education and health care, while saving fuel. Outsourcing? How about Insourcing?
I agree that government needs to spend on social programs, such as infrastructure, education, "universal healthcare", national defense, etc.etc. However, government should turn a blind eye when it comes to financially supporting the private sector. The "BAILOUT" of the financial industry will prove to be a totally bone headed event. It is not going to work for the taxpayers nor for the institutions that it's supposed to be helping. Public money in private hands will never work.
Best regards,
Econolicious
Bailouts should simulate bankruptcy
If some companies are too big to fail, so be it. To avoid moral hazard though, bailouts should simulate what would happen to the company's stakeholders in a real bankruptcy:
Shareholders would most likely be wiped out.
The entire board must tender its resignation.
All employment contracts, union and non-union should be voided
Creditors at the time of the bailout would be paid some combination of cash and company stock.
It would be a good thing to establish a commission, with members appointed by the Congress, to administer companies under government control, at "arms length", until they can be "floated off".
Another idea would be to codify the above principles into a "standard bailout law", that the Congress could vote on whenever necessary, up or down, for any given company. That way the taxpayers would know that they are getting the best possible deal and that the company is getting the advantages of a "real" bankruptcy.
So, if the leaders of GM, who have always been rather more economical with the truth than their cars have been with gas mileage, still want a bailout under those conditions, okay.
Can we give you your old job back now? Please?
There is a "X" factor that is not talked about. The value of the USA's fiat dollar and Hyper-inflation. Inaccurate economic data concerning money supply could render the dollar worthless internationally. The world central banks are planning "Bold Actions" to stabilize world currencies. What are they planning to do? Introduce a new currency or a global credit card? Electronically control all global credit and debts?
The public needs a public forum to address these issues. Can we formalize national forums to focus the public on solving this crisis? Identifying public infrastucture projects is a key step the public can assist with at the local level. At minimum, a public focus would assist in pressuring a divided Congress to approve public projects.
So, Professor Reich, just how many stimulus angels can dance on the head of that fiscal pin?
Couple days ago, Paul Krugman wrote on his blog, ""It’s time to raise Keynes: we need big fiscal stimulus, now now now."
The ol' Sandwichman commented: "What part of the word three(3) don't these stimulus addicts understand?"
You see, John Maynard Keynes wrote about THREE ingredients for a cure to unemployment but latter-day Keynesians can only count to two. Number 3? Working less. ("The Long-Term Problem of Full Employment" 1943)
A little over a week ago, Professor Reich wrote, "For now, focus on the unemployed."
In reply, S'man quoted Samuel Gompers said:
"The answer to all opponents to the reduction of the hours of labor could well be given in these words: 'That so long as there is one man who seeks employment and cannot obtain it, the hours of labor are too long.'"
Who would have thunk that J. Maynard and Sam, the cigar maker were on the same wavelength?
Look, I think fiscal stimulus is great idea for smoothing over the cyclical slumps & bumps but we're talking here about the fallout from a 30-year binge of "just one more bubble... just one, pleeease." The magnitude of fiscal stimulus required in proportion to the number of jobs that will be created is just not sufficient.
Just because JMK said "in the long term we're all dead" doesn't mean the long term never comes. The problem we face now is the one for which Keynes prescribed working less. But the erstatz Keynesians want to keep going back to his intermediate solutions. Been there. Done that. Ate it all up.
Next... the work less jubilee.
Your analysis is useful. But there is a critical international dimension to the question of aggregate demand given the demand deficits that are foundational to East Asian export-driven development strategies (see Inadequate Global Demand).
Dear Robert Reich;
We have an all important immediate fiscal stimulus and sales rescue plan for the devastated auto sector that we would like to get into your hands if you can help.
We've succeeded in delivering it to 3 of the 17 with help from the VP of the UAW General Holiefield.
It has been faxed to over 10 congressional leaders working on the auto sector. 5 Governors and AL Gore.
President Elect Mr. Obama stated that more and new ideas needed to be brought forward to help the auto sector in the short term, which the future funding commitments will not help with. We all know "sales drive the engine".
We have just the plan.
Here are two links that are normally included in the report,
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/business/27view.html?_r=1&ex=1217822400&en=ef177aba2ecccf41&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin
http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/173190
If you could get back to me on whether this can be accomplished or with another point of
contact it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your considerations.
Environmentally, Economically and Opportunely Yours;
Fraser J.M. Young
Executive Director
The Green Vehicle Exchange Program
Robert, let me ask a basic question.
How do we know which industries/companies need a stimulus as opposed to industries/companies which are dying and ought to be let go.
Businesses that must borrow to remain solvent are not solvent at all.
The great disastrous gulf between "illiquid" and "insolvent" lies at the heart of this crisis. To date we have pretended that the insolvent are merely illiquid. Now with the TARP we ransom the creditworthiness of the United States itself to maintain that pretense.
But lending to the insolvent cannot save them. It can only put the lender at grave risk -- and now that lender is our children whom we are grooming for a lifetime of debt slavery.
Stimulus packages, tax cuts, in fact none of it will help until we stop pretending that insolvent dead banks and companies can be brought back to life if only we can hide their bodies from the sun a little longer. We must force a return to trustworthy accounting and give those dead a decent burial or we will all wind up in the financial grave with them.
Here's one thing I would add: the government should create more incentives for solar, geothermal and other green energy solutions. Not only can these technologies create jobs, they also have the ability to put money directly into consumers' pockets, something few other capital investment projects can do. While the 30% tax credit is a start, the government should increase it and also setup an entity to help finance these investments at a low rate- low enough that the payments will be substantially lower than the utility bill payments they replace. In the sunbelt cities that have been worst hit by the housing crisis, investment in solar could be particularly effective.
The macroeconomic-machinations and mass-manipulations of international-finance Jews like Reich, Summers, Bernanke, Greenspan, Kohn, and many others found in the New York City-London-Tel Aviv Axis is what led the world in to this Mini Depression...and now we expect these same people to get us out of it?
I particularly like Frank Thomas' comment about the need to metricize what the government means by "return on investment." These investments in infrastructure rebuilding and alternative energy production need to be carefully crafted, administered and followed up on. It is no longer acceptable merely to shovel money to state and local governments or private entities without strict oversight. We've seen the hopefully last colossal failure of that with the fact that of the recent $700 billion bailout at least $70 billion of that is going to bank executive and employee bonuses and salaries.
What this administratrion needs is a Department of Trade and Industry which could keep tabs on how the bailout money is spent in order to insure that the Federal government gets the biggest bang for its buck, and, if it doesn't, why not? Construct a feedback loop rather than an open ended giveaway. There should be a corruption watch committee to insure that there are no political giveaways.
I notice that the Chinese government is doing a $500 billion economic stimulus and is investing in infrastructure in order to get the Chinese economy rolling again. The only difference between this and the US Main Street bailout is that the Chinese actually have the money to invest; the US has to borrow its bailout money from the Chinese. That's assuming the Chinese still have hundreds of billions left over after they bail out their own economy.
California just passed a ballot proposition for high speed rail investment. This is a heartening development providing any one will be interested in lending already debt ridden California more money for anything. Improving rail infrastructure, particularly suburban commuter rail infrastructure, is essential for reducing energy consumption and oil imports because people and goods can be transported so much more cheaply and with such a far less expenditure of energy by rail rather than by car or truck. The average commuter probably drives his or her car 50 miles a day just to and from work. Putting all these commuters on a train could markedly lower oil consumption and the number of tons of CO2 dumped per day into the atmosphere.
Finally, I would like to put in a good word for the reinstitution of the Fairness Doctrine. Nothing could improve the political culture and climate more in this country than to end the monopoly that Rush Limbaugh and other right wing hate mongers have in many media markets than to give an equal voice to progressive talk radio. Remember that even with an economic cataclysm, 48% of American voters voted for McCain, and I predict there will be no let up in the hounding and demonization of President Obama the same way they hounded President and Hillary Clinton for 8years.
I always SO agree with you!
tt
I once wished for your return to influence on the economy. I wanted simpler times when I didn't worry much at all about the future, rather I worried about the speed at which I could participate in it.
I now have two children and find myself projecting and planning far farther into the future than I ever have. I ask myself what kind of world I brought these wonderful people into. What moral persuasion do I have over what will be left behind for them?
When Bush said we could fight a war and pay for it with shopping sprees, that was clearly contrary to common sense and I argued that it was immoral.
Hearing the news regarding the melt-down now and then in the past year and a half, I felt superior knowing that I never favored deregulation and knew that greed rules when the rules don't apply.
A few months ago, just before the current calamity began, I began to listen more closely. It was apparent to me rather quickly that what I was hearing on NPR (my primary source of news) and in mainstream media (a couple of magazines from the East Coast, no TV) in general was just happy talk. Instead, I sought advice from a couple of friends and through them found a few bloggers such as James Kunstler, Charles Hugh Smith, and Karl Deninger.
I include your blog in my readings so as not to overdose on negative forecasts. However, the more I read, the more it seems like you're on the side of the paternalistic happy talkers. I'm left wondering what you really believe when you write things like this:
> Deficit numbers themselves have no significance.
Does this not deserve some explanation? I'll tell you where I've heard statements like this, it was while arguing with my conservative lunch buddies about the war in Iraq and our refusal to pay for it. I argued that it was a reflection of either our lack of commitment to the cause, or the ill effects of team sport politics (they branded me a liberal). One of the more opinionated, and in his own mind informed (sources: Fox News and talk radio), made virtually the same statement you made in your post.
I was incredulous. Is a balance on a credit card statement nothing more than ink on paper? That's literally true, yes. But no, it's real money, future earnings. Is it somehow different when it's the U.S. government?
When the ordinary guy buys more than he can afford on credit and pays interest, he is squandering money (future earnings) that he could invest in his family. It has no value to him and is more or less a recurring tax on the assets he has.
And now I hear this from you: someone who is adored by those who want to click their heals together and go back to the "Clinton years." Is interest somehow different when the U.S. government pays it? When we buy that new interstate bridge, aren't we paying a lot more for it when we buy it on credit and, let's be honest, don't really intend to pay for it? Or are you suggesting we'll buy it in cold hard cash? Hell, Bernanke can print it, right? Would that be counterfeiting or even kiting (as Deninger alleges)?
From 1993 to 2007, we have had a 300% increase in debt! Take a look at this chart. That looks like an exponential increase. Are you suggesting it can go trillions higher with nothing to be concerned about? Will a recharged economy really get us on the road to paying down this debt? Or are we wishing for another bubble? Will we discover an infinite supply of energy that costs little to produce sometime soon? Be honest, returns on Green tech will never rival oil. The energy in must be factored, not just energy out... unless you want to lie to yourself (we do it all the time these days). Or will we discover that we're an infinite world that indeed can sustain infinite growth (Thomas Friedman's next book?).
When I was a kid, my family was poor. We went on food stamps for a couple of years in the seventies until my Mother, a single Mother, finally got a job at the Post Office.
We never had much luxury. We certainly didn't run out to buy the latest bigger and better TV as soon as it hit the shelves.
As an adult, I moved to a fairly large city. It seemed to me that everyone was rich: tall shiny cars, big houses, $50 haircuts, eating at restaurants all the time. I thought it was just a matter of perspective coming from a small town. But I am friends with a guy who also grew up in my town and was in one of the wealthier families there. They didn't live carelessly either. They were frugal and prudent. I knew no one who lived carelessly.
But in 1992, everything changed. Every Christmas, when I went home it seemed everyone had more new stuff. A shiny new truck one year, not one but two snowmobiles, a huge entertainment system, expensive vacations, whatever the kids wanted, and more!
What seems obvious to me now is that I happened to show up when the bogus economy was just getting moving. Why bogus? Because it was built on credit and credit alone (on the shoulders of the real economy). Because it whispered "this time things are different" in our ears as we mortgaged not only our future, but that of our grandchildren.
(Thankfully, my upbringing was stronger than the temptations and am debt free outside of my mortgage. Unfortunately my mortgage was fraudulently high due to the distortions of a credit market leveraged with fraud: credit default swaps and the like. And now I'm being asked by Bush and probably you to "help my neighbor out" who has an imprudent loan. Of course, it won't help my neighbor out. It will help the bank to avoid facing their bad bets. It will sink me along with him.)
So we're all waking up with a lampshade on our heads and our pants around our knees. What now?
The answer seems to be, let those who broke it fix it. Henry Paulson made a large fortune on fraudulent leveraging. He is the man to fix all of that. Bernanke prays to the Greenspan God of interest cuts (the war on saving). You must cut even when a bubble could have only been obvious as house prices soared exponentially above salaries, that in fact dropped (more than most are mathematically aware since, under Clinton we decided to lie to ourselves about inflation and other indexes... see shadowstats.com). That was a broken model, but this time we'll make it work.
So now what do we do? It's the "hawks" and supply-siders versus the Keynesians is it? So an imprudent bank should be propped up in order to save the jobs provided by the bank? Do we attach strings that insist they don't take the money while laying people off anyway? Would no other bank take the business left in the vacuum? Wasn't it Keynes who believed that no depressions would ever happen again-- before the great depression? Wasn't it his theories at work when Hoover began intervening after the crash? Did they really fair any better under FDR, simply because he had the right party affiliation?
SO who is to blame? I know it's not the "hawks." Please tell me you don't think the "hawks" are to blame! Supply-siders? I tend to think so. But in hindsight, just what was so different about the Clinton Administration versus Bush and Reagan before it? Did you reverse course?
Keynesian theory? I think so, but maybe it's more about Universities turning into Votechs that spit out narrow minded "professionals." Just look at how the same thing that caused the problem is the solution. What if, just what if another theory is needed?
The Clinton Administration? Sure there was a an effort to stop deficit spending, but it didn't last long. But you can't blame so few for this one.
It's the Republicans who sold our democracy to big business on the cheap. Deregulation was the answer, even when it was not. But, I think you and Democrats in Congress through the eighties are complicit in the this bogus economy. It couldn't have happened without you, even if it wasn't your idea.
Let us not forget who signed GLBA. That was followed by a merger spree that got us more "too big to fail" situations than we ever dreamed possible prior. Do you wish for those strong regional banks right about now? Too late, they're gone.
The deficit isn't real? Isn't it actually a hidden tax that keeps growing every year? How will the public feel when 50% of tax revenues goes to paying down interest (not even principal)? 75%? 99%? Or is this somehow not possible?
Readers, the light just came on. Hurry, take a good look before the cockroaches scurry away. It's not a team sport. It's not a loss of confidence (this is a euphemism for blaming the American public, the victim of a massive crime). It's not going to be fixed with more debt. It can't be patched. Maybe the fiscal conservatives (hawks sounds scarier huh?) aren't so nutty after all. Is the news media on our side? How would we know either way? How do we know what we know?
I think the choices are plain. The writing is on the wall. Face the music now. Jail the fraudsters, starting from the top, not the bottom. Let the imprudent mortgage holders default and enjoy low rents for a while they build their credit back up for another shot at the dream. Let the banks that made bad bets fail and stop trying to hide this reality with our grandkid's future earnings (future prosperity, drill baby drill). It will hurt for a while, yes. But the alternative is more pain for more people and for a longer time.
The latter is where we're going. This is the path putting Clinton economic advisers back in office will lead us down.
Dr. Reich, let Obama make the massive shift that needs to be made. If you think failure won't stick to him since this started under Bush, I think you're just another person who believes this is a team sport. The right choice is the most difficult one. Your post today tells me that you aren't the one to take this on. Clicking our heals together won't help.
I believe Obama's roots and his calling have prepared him for this. He will be hated by powerful people, yes. You'll get your kicks in, more than likely. But he will be loved by our grandchildren who will not be punished by our moral failures.
Hi,
I'm no PHD in economics or even remotely close to it. But I do agree completely with what you say. Its not only mortgage and financial institutions or the automakers that require a bailout right now. If we look at bigger picture, it is pretty obvious that it not only these institutions that failed in isolation, but the entire economic system- right down to a common man. Bailout packages as such announced recently for banks and insurance companies are only short term solutions preventing these companies from insolvency. However, a longer term solution to the crisis could only be injecting money somehow at the lower levels so the the entire system could get back on track.
Infrastructure programs seem to be right candidate to inject money in all levels of economy and ensure congenial environment for future businesses and this is indeed what the Chinese have resorted to off late.
However don't you think cutting down or limiting outsourcing and maybe getting all the manufacturing jobs back to US is another viable option? Although this may not be a completely viable option, but something like 1 local job for every 3 outsourced could do wonders. One might question the lowered competitiveness of resulting firms, but I guess it would only be marginal would not matter for firms that are competing locally, as they are playing in the same field.
Promptus & R. Reich;
You both can agree that the fiat currency is a debt burden that we must free ourselves from.
" If the American People ever allow the
banks to control the issuance of their
currency, first by inflation and then by
deflation, the banks and corporations
that will grow up around them will deprive
the people of all property, until their
children will wake up homeless on the
continent their fathers occupied. The
issuing of money should be taken from
the banks and restored to Congress and
the People to Whom it belongs!"
-President Thomas Jefferson
Presidential executive order 11110
http://www.archives.gov/
federal-register/
executive-orders/
1963-kennedy.html
Called for the Treasury to stop borrowing money from the federal reserve bank and begin to issue silver valued certificates. 6 months later JFK was murdered. President A. Jackson demonstrated the courage needed to face the den of vipers.
The public, one day, will have to mandate the repeal of "fiat" currencies, and the use of a "fractional deposit lending". We must insure government issues its own currency.
While I agree with your opinion, I wouldn't mind seeing additional notes about the type of G spending we need. As an example, workers in the last boom saw the smallest portion of the gain in wages associated with a boom this century. The probable reason: they lack negotiating power as they are under threat from emerging economies.
I frequently hear that the solution to our mini-Depression is to address consumer housing loan problems. This is just a partial part of the problem and tricky to solve. The real problem is that wages are stagnating because American labor is losing negotiating power. And that is a long term problem which needs to be one of the primary recipients of G.
Best,
Stephen Purpura
http://www.stephenpurpura.com
Dr. Reich,
On a prior post to you I compared Sweden and Japan's policy reactions and results in dealing with their equally severe financial system breakdowns in early 90s.
Here the complete historical figures comparing the year by year recoveries of these two nations in terms of BUDGET BALANCE (Surplus or Deficit) and growth in NATIONAL DEBT ... both as a percent (%) of GDP.
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TABLE 27: COMPARISON OF SWEDEN & JAPAN's RECOVERIES FROM FINANCIAL COLLAPSES IN EARLY 90s -- 1990-2008Budget Balance and National Debt Data Expressed as a % of GDP
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..................Budget Balance
...................as a % of GDP
..................SWEDEN....JAPAN
1990...............+0.9%.....+2.0%
1992..............-10.6%.....-0.5%
1992 = Start of Financial Breakdown
1994...............-8.0%.....-4.7%
1996...............-1.7%.....-4.6%
1998...............+1.8%.....-6.5%
2000...............+2.4%.....-7.0%
2002...............-1.5%.....-8.0%
2004...............+1.8%.....-6.4%
2006...............+2.4%.....-1.8%
2008...............+2.4%.....-2.0%
..................National Debt
..................as a % of GDP
..................SWEDEN....JAPAN
1990................57%.......62%
1992................77%.......65%
1992 = Start of Financial Collapse
1994................80%.......80%
1996................81%.......91%
1998................78%......118%
2000................61%......137%
2002................60%......155%
2004................60%......165%
2006................56%......174%
2008................40%......170%
(2008 as of June 31)
Source: Thomson Financial Datastream
NOTE:
Forecast US figures are: +-5.7%Budget Deficit as a % of GDP assuming a Deficit in 2009 increasing from $500 billion to $800 billion with added stimulus plans; +-78% National Debt as a % of GDP assuming National Debt reaches $11 Trillion in 2009 (could reach $12 Trillion depending on final scale and timing of added stimulus plans).
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CONCLUSIONS:
Sweden took quick, aggressive actions of forcing banks to write off bad debt BEFORE nationalizing, recapitalizing and reforming them. Results: start of recovery came relatively quick by 1996 and their National Debt buildup was minimized and even improved by early 2008 with new, strict banking regulations installed in mid-90s. They also didn't repeat past mistakes.
Japan delayed facing the music as their huge banks and businesses were tightly interwoven with huge conflicts of interest and grossly irresponsible (and corrupt) over speculation in real estate. Results: Japan's Recovery was three times longer (12 years) in coming than Sweden's. Because of this, their National Debt skyrocketed to 170% of GDP day Deficits were prolonged from weak response to crisis in 1992-96.
Japan's starting National Debt level in 1990 was not much higher than Sweden's (62% vs. 57%) but ended up over 3 times higher than Sweden's at 170% in early 2008.
On the positive side, above data confirms America's Deficit and National Debt results today as a % of GDP are not any worse than Sweden or Japan's in 1992. Yet these countries were able to crawl out of their financial breakdowns ... granted Sweden accomplished their turnaround in a far more effective and less costly manner than Japan did.
What lessons can we learn from the above? Well, for one, TIME seemed to say IT is not on the side of those who hesitate too long in taking, wise, tough, bold steps.
Doing nothing about huge companies in trouble or too slowly doing something or piecemealing solutions are formulas for deepening and lengthening such systemic financial breakdowns ... all causing extended suffering and lost opportunities for working millions and new generations in an ever increasingly tightly connected world.
Frank Thomas, The Netherlands
Dr. Reich,
Minor correction: In CONCLUSIONS section, 2nd paragraph, last sentence:
...GDP today and Deficits were prolonged...
Spending on establishing and expanding green energy industries.
Tax cuts for seniors (I wonder if Obama's plan to make the first $50,000 of income tax free for seniors will survive) would go into spending on food, rent, and meds, most likely.
I have never liked the idea of -wasteful- spending propping up the economy, or that the economy has to grow ad infinitum, which is clearly not sustainable. We need to get population growth to be slightly negative until we're at or below the planet's carrying capacity, and get to a stable, thrifty lifestyle, which I think would also be a healthier lifestyle.
Didn't Japan try something with tax cuts designed in such a way that consumers have to spend them to buy stuff. Like gift cards or somethign. What if we were to try something like that?
What a joke! There is more debt in the world than can be serviced and we are told that the solution to that problem is to create massive amounts of new debt very quickly. We've traveled so far down that road that Mother Nature is taking control and destroying excessive debt because is cannot be serviced. The attempt to increase debt levels is a last ditch act of desperation and we should all hope it fails because, if it succeeds, the problem gets even bigger and the ultimate crash worse. The solution is to find a way to reduce debt to a realistic level and cap it there forever. This will be painful but not as bad as letting banksters run the system to the breaking point.
Nice to see you with Obama.
We are sinking so fast and so deep into a depression we have no choice but to try directed government spending to support the economy.
But this is different than Sweden and Japan. The whole world wasn't going under at the same time. They are nations of savers and we already have massive debt financed by other countries.
We are entering a sudden stop that will soon seen capital flight from the U.S. There will be no financing of the debt created to stimulate this economy. It is inevitable that the debt will be monetized.
You need to be up front about the huge inflation cycle that is to come. It could be as bad as the depression we are now entering.
This will last at least a decade, and the U.S. will never be the same.
Most Americans pay more in payroll taxes than in income taxes.
That sentence jumped off the screen at me. I never thought about it so simply.
It must be true because so many people do, in fact, work but don't earn enough the pay income tax.
After a career in food service managing mostly the working poor I have known first hand large numbers of hard-working people who spend all their working lives completely unaware of any cap on Social Security taxes. It's the best-kept secret in America.
To a liberal, goverment spending is ALWAYS necessary. Especially, if it is for education (read unions) and training (read state goverments). Reich has been screaming for years against the Bush deficits and now he is cheering much bigger Obama deficits. Curious. Generation X and Y will go down as the slave generations because of all of the debt that is being dumped on them (in order to make their futures better). I guess it is too big of an idea for Bob for consumer's to consume less and get their personal finances in order.
Thank you for your sane, unemotional, sensible, and direct approach to solving this problem we face.
I wonder what your thoughts are regarding a gas tax? Perhaps after the recession is over, we put a floor on the price of gas? Say $2.50? Or $2? $3? I suppose it depends on where the price of oil finally lands at...
That tax, combined with a credit for the low-income families that are disproportionately impacted, should be able to partially fund some of the green-infrastructure that we need to spend money on.
Mr. Reich probably just forgot to mention spending more money on education. I think one of the greatest needs is in adult literacy so that formerly illiterate parents can teach their young children how to read so that they enter preschool and kindergarten at or near the same level as other kids whose parents were already literate and who valued literacy.
Dr. Reich: Excellent post. I enjoy your clarity, but you're not afraid of getting into the muck and explaining what can't be contained in 10-second news sound-bites.
I also want to point out Christopher Plummer's comment, "Bailouts should simulate bankruptcy". I think that is an excellent comment, something being ignored by what appears to be a billion-dollar floodgate being unleashed in Washington.
Please consider his comment, and help bring reason, and consequences to the bailout plans currently on the table.
You are surely the expert, but we all know once there is a government handout, its nearly impossible to reverse the effort.
Just as you mentioned referencing stimulus checks going into personal pockets, not the economy, giving money to corporate heads will usually save *their* jobs more than saving the jobs of the rank-and-file. They just did their jobs. The brass is there to foresee the problems and avoid them.... they absolutely, miserably, totally failed.
Like the leadership of Enron unceremoniously displayed for the world to see, I think escorting the top brass out the door of these large companies would actually do more for consumer confidence than umpteen Presidential and Treasury press briefings amounting to: "things take time, please be patient.... oh, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
Thank you for allowing this forum for sharing your ideas and accepting discussion on them.
Keep them coming.
I agree with implementing any stimulus to create jobs.
What the rich republicans don't realize is that jobs are the key to a solid economy that protects them over the long term. Corporate management is focused on short-term results, even if it means cutting jobs. Basically, they are cannibalizing themselves by reducing jobs, which reduces consumption. Giving the rich tax breaks in the hope that jobs get created has marginal effectiveness.
Also, please have Obama send a message to corporate America that they have a moral obligation to help this economy.
One idea is to suggest that colorations lower their costs by implementing "part time" work and "job sharing" rather then pushing employees out on the street. This will enable Americans to have enough money to stay off of welfare.
Another idea is to change tax penalty for persons wanting to cash their 401k to payoff their mortgages and allow them to stay in a home.
thoughts????
I'm certain that the foreign purchase of our treasuries will dim in the near future. This will hamstring any attempts to create an effective stimulus package.
I have a radical notion to stop US unemployment in its tracks. But I am curious as to why all options, and I mean all options are not on the table.
My solution is to halt all legal immigration for 1 year. Americans do not need the added competition from 1 million new immigrants + the hundreds of thousands on temp visas.
There are no jobs for them, so why should we continue the importation of other countries unemployed millions?
Economists seem to believe in supply and demand for all aspects of our economy except labor. Somehow the American media had become blinded to the notion corporate America is a ravenous beast that actively discriminates against US citizens.
Robert,
Great post on the economic stimulus but you are missing perhaps the most important piece to the puzzle of how we spark economic development through investment in infrastructure: upgrading our telecommunications networks.
For example, on my blog (App-Rising.com) I've been advocating for the introduction of a Rural Fiber Fund that would help spur the deployment of full fiber networks throughout our rural communities.
For $50 billion we could wire every nearly every small town in America with a next-generation communications infrastructure within the next 10 years.
By doing this we can flip the script on the outsourcing of jobs and start insourcing them by empowering rural areas to compete in the global economy.
By unshackling the imaginations of developers from the bandwidth constraints of current "broadband" infrastructure we can spark the growth of new ideas that'll lead to new companies creating new jobs.
By connecting rural communities we can help them drive new efficiencies in government and create new opportunities in healthcare and education, helping equip those communities to remain competitive in the global economy.
Why are we building more roads without putting equal effort into constructing the highway system for the 21st century, which are full fiber networks?
I believe so strongly in this that I'm going to be making a push to do some guerrilla lobbying up on the Hill in the coming weeks.
I hope you take this comment under serious consideration and if you deem it worthy run it up the flagpole with Obama's advisors.
If there's any chance you know of people I should be talking to about this in DC I would be forever grateful for you to put me in touch with them.
Thank you for your time, and I hope this comment finds you well.
Robert Merrill cc: Dr. Reich
Agree fully with you that serious attention should be given to Christopher Plummer's remarks that "Bailouts Should Simulate Bankruptcy."
Mr. Plummer's thoughts reminded me of Sweden's similarly realistic and tough approach to forcing weak performing banks to take their losses (along with shareholders) before receiving government taxpayer help. The banks were then nationalized, recapitalized, and reformed. In 3-4 years time, they were sold back to the stock exchange ... recovering at least 65% of taxpayer bailout funds.
Auto companies, like GM, have for so long so flagrantly mismanaged their firm's model designs and efficient production processes for vehicles in the face of obviously steadily losing market share to Toyota (producing just next door), that they deserve to possibly be forced to go through bankruptcy procedures BEFORE being rescued by US taxpayers. Such an option should at least be on the table for professional debate and analysis. It would facilitate stronger controls on needed manangement changes.
As you appropriately highlight, Plummer's point merits serious consideration for application in selective cases. GM is almost insolvent and requires substantial added funds to survive in the auto industry. Their failure would mushroom throughout the economy making any bailout monies seem like peanuts.
Here's an idea:
Instead of deficit spending so that tax dollars can be used to cover the interest on loans, how about formulating policy that would require a freeze on repayment of loan interest - we can even call it what it is: a federal bankruptcy.
Then, as revenue comes in, we can use actual tax dollars (rather than budget estimates) to cover the cost of government. For example, if the defense budget is too large, then maybe we should cut 90% of it and stick to the 10% figure that is required for actual defense. The other 90% is for offensive operations.
I know that such a sensible, simplistic, and rational approach to budgetary finance will probably cause most of you to recoil, but let's try to be realistic here. The elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about is that our revenue is going into interest bearing accounts and our budgets are being exhausted on policies that don't benefit the taxpayers.
So - let's take a look at the elephant. Rather than using fancy figures, charts, and programs to avoid him, let's do what it takes to get rid of him. Better late than never, right?
Eliminate the Federal Reserve. Eliminate aggressive foreign policy. Be true to our federalist virtues and eliminate non-Constitutional federal programs. And take the rational steps necessary to fix this economy rather than stabbing in the dark with programs and bailouts that are nothing more than patches and new paint on an otherwise unsustainable system.
We're already calling it a Mini Depression. Let's cal it what it really is - another example of systemic failure that couldn't be sustained under the New Deal. When you hand a nations finance over to private financial interests, invariably the end result will be an economic environment that is suitable to those who set the interest rates. When the New Deal was implemented, the elephant only grew larger. As foreign policy spending increases, the elephant gets larger still. So long as budgetary spending requires tax dollars to repay interest bearing loans, the net effect will always be a bigger elephant.
What's the solution? Eliminate the Federal Reserve. Kill the elephant. Stop trying to find a solution by pretending that he isn't there.
Doc:
You do elicit both the wise and the foolish.
There is much brilliance in these posts, much confusion and a reasonable degree of malarkey.
I don't believe that your deficits statement, which more than a few have taken exception with, was proferred as an absolute axiom. Personally I thought you crafted your argument well, in that the C and the I are dysfunctional, therefore the only option, and the only one which a central authority can control, is G. Exports is somewhat of a none issue, as you explain, and if Obama has only rudimentary success, the dollar will gain in strength and exports will diminish as a function of GDP. Could bode well for oil prices though.
Many, on all your posts, and of course in conservative circles it is hallowed logic, liken government spending, through borrowing, to consumer borrowing on credit cards. Balderdash! Consumer spending on credit cards, excluding any investments made in that manner, yield no financial returns on spending. Government spending, within the confines of our economy, always contributes to GDP growth and thus to tax revenues. So, we gain some offset to government spending even if at deficit levels.
The other age old argument, and it is not without validity, is the pain and suffering we will exact on our children and grandchildren with reckless government spending through increased national debt. What will be their future prospects if we do nothing or we decide to be fiscally prudent? Implied in the arguments is a presumption that eventually the market will work things out and normalcy will return, whatever normalcy is.
The population of the US in 1932 was 124.8 million and currently is estimated to be 305.4 million. A devastating depression such as occurred in 1932 would have far more serious consequences today and would, likely, take many more years to self correct. Doing nothing, taking no actions, as imperfect as they may be, is not really an option.
Those same many express concern for the coming of the day when foreign countries will no longer fund our borrowing. Do they think that if we do nothing, throwing the US and the world into an eddy of depression, that the inaction will not hasten the day? As long as any action taken even looks to be beneficial in the short term the funding will remain available simply because our failure means the world's failure, economically, if not worse.
Much is argued about the abuse of consumers in wasteful and frivilous spending. Certainly no one can argue, strongly, to the contrary, except that a growing population requires more jobs. More jobs are directly proportional to more goods and services. More goods and services are directly proportional to more consumer spending.
Had globalization functioned the way some had thought, more products could have been created, creating more jobs, by exporting to emerging nations. How were these emerging nations supposed to emerge and create more markets if the bulk of manufacturing stayed in the US? Were the farmers in Brazil supposed to earn enough through food exports to buy Plasma TVs, or new SUVs? Were European countries supposed to refrain from being competitive in the production of more products? Or Japan, or South Korea, or Canada? Where would China be today if we were the world's supplier of all things material.
I often think, and I am incapable of grasping it as well, that we fail to understand the integrated nature of our economy and that of the world. It is a collection of pieces which must work, and grow, in concert, in order to maintain.
The suggestion of some who assert that controlling population growth is the answer, are not necessarily wrong, but talk about infringing freedoms. How would we even go about that? We are trying in many third world countries to little avail. China has a model, functioning with limited success, but is that a model that would work in "free" countries?
Even a population growth model would require constant tweaking to maintain worker and consumer populations. If we can't manage balancing the budget how would we manage balancing population growth? Even an x children per family model gets muddled because parents don't die after giving birth and as we live longer there will be more grandchildren and great grandchildren. Some may even experience great great grandchildren.
Back to our current dilemma; we are currently seeing what were middle class folks now becoming homeless. Perhaps the good news is that many of the really poor have been little affected by the housing crisis. Granted their jobs are at risk, but since many of them work at very low level jobs, if they work at all, they tend to be safer from unemployment. Middle class jobs are, and will continue to be, affected in much greater numbers.
Those who have entered their peak earnings years may be hit the hardest. Their earnings will slow or stop and, depending on the duration, may never get back to where they were before retirement age approaches.
There will be no stopping a recession of some degree. All attempts to stem the tide will be directed at the duration. As we, should we, come back out of it, our standards of living will have surely changed. This could be a good thing but we are far removed from generations that were better equipped to be self reliant. Technology has made our lives so much easier that we have come to rely on our gizmos to get by. There are families where both parents work who would starve if they didn't have a microwave oven.
If our standards of living are lower then we will buy less things, which, by virtue of the soliloquy above, will mean fewer jobs and lower incomes. Getting by may end up predicated on deflation which creates its own whirlpool of decline. At current volumes, at current prices, of even essentials, it is doubtful there will be a whole lot of resources from which to "save" for average families. One of the main reasons in support of "saving" as a good thing is that it provides an easier road for lending to businesses or innovating entrepreneurs. Lower incomes and less spending, will mean lower demand for goods and services and thus less need for borrowing.
We've got a huge conundrum folks and, to me, our best bet is to try to get back to what we considered normal and then correct from there. That scenario might provide a less painful path. There are those who portend that it can't happen; that we are on the downhill side and the road only goes one-way. They may be closer to correct.
Our choice would seem to be to "go quietly into that dark night" or go kicking and screaming all the way. I opt for kicking and screaming simply because I have never been a "quietly" kind of guy.
Government spending is unfortunately only a temporary bandaid to postpone confronting the real problems of excessive income concentrated into too few consumers and too many investors. As an example, I refer you to a mid April article in the Wall Street Journal, recounting the earnings of 25 Hedge Fund Managers, who collectively earned ( I used the word 'earned'loosely) a total income of 16 billion dollars. Instead of giving those 25 folks 16 billion, that money could have been used to create 300,000 jobs each paying $50,000.00. I expect those 300,000 workers would have purchased around 75,000 homes, 150,000 cars, tens of thousands of boats, RV's ,a couple hundred thousand vacations for the families, hundreds of thousands of family nights at a restraurant, and multiple shopping trips to the local Malls. Until we as a Nation get back to a saner compensation system for workers and managers alike, consumer demand will continue to depend of ever growing debt and/or Federal spending, until eventually that too must come to a stop ( as it has for consumer credit) and than the whole upside down social structure collapses.
Mr. Reich,
You said that tax cuts would go primarily to the wealthy. So, what about a cut in the payroll tax as a way to stimulate the economy?
Can this be financed by a stock transfer tax or a sales tax of some kind like .01% or something like that for all financial market transactions including those involving derivative investments?
I'll take a hit in my mutual funds and anytime I make a trade, but I think this would be worth it in terms of economic activity.
silverfox:
Hear! Hear!
anonymous:
Stock transfer tax is a great idea!
The whole nonsense about "insufficient demand" is a total canard. There is demand for everything and anything AT THE RIGHT PRICE. The problem is that the mountain of debt in our economy requires higher prices than people are now willing to pay given their resources. Prices will not be allowed to drop, though, because that would wipe out the financial community that owns both major parties lock, stock and barrel.
Mr. Reich--
If only you were a "formal" advisor to Mr. Obama. Where do I sign in order to have you recommended for an official cabinet position?
anonymous:
Brilliant?
We hear a lot about supply and demand and little about price but in the vernacular price is the elephant on the room.
As an add on to my earlier comment, why all this focus on the creation of additional jobs via Federal funding? Lack of jobs is not what is causing the "mini depression". Currently we have 93% employment. The problem is that they don't have the necessary disposable income , nor access to additional easy credit, to maintain the needed aggregate demand for our consumer driven economy. In the short haul we are in less of a need for the jobs and in far greater need for higher wages for the 93% currently working.
Silverfox, cc: Dr. Reich
Well said!
As conservatives in denial of common sense like to repeat, with some superficial credibility, the bottom 40% of households pay little taxes while the top 10% of households having 90% of all wealth pay 50% or more of household taxes. This causes them to propagate the dogma that Democrats want to REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH from the rich to the rest of society. People spouting this nonsense conveniently forget two things:
(1) there has already been a de facto massive Redistribution of Wealth to the top 10% household income group by Reagan and Bush Jr.'s tax cut policies going mainly to the top ... all rationalized with the "trickle down" economic fable that has been in play for so many years;
(2) it's the bottom 90% household income group that contributes 80% of US Consumption which has been, up to current financial breakdown, responsible for 70-72% of annual GDP! The top 10% household income group becomes richer no matter what the taxes are (through sheer scale of after tax income and resultant liquidity for personal investments). But this group contributes less than 20% to annual GDP with their more luxorious retail purchases, US and foreign investments.
So lower taxes for the bottom 90% of households gives breathing space for domestic Consumption to remain vibrant, perhaps in the future at lower levels if people save more, hence providing the most dynamic, supporting element of our nation's annual GDP growth.
With middle-class stagnant wages, debt overload and ZERO savings, a nation now in crisis has a perfect opportunity (and the necessity)to focus critical public and private investments directly in the economy, thereby generating many new jobs and much more stimulus to GDP growth than in past years. This process in time should ideally offset the expected decline in Consumption levels from 72% to 65% of GDP range in future years as household savings, hopefully, also steadily rise and personal debt declines.
Frank Thomas:
I agree that much of conservative
beliefs today are based in denial and are merely a delusion to justify the extraordinary excesses in incomes in the US. From an intellectual perspective it is of little concern whether some folks are rich and some are poor, but from the view of economic necessity we can not maintain a stable, prosperous society with one small group getting almost all of the growth in GDP and basing an economy on the average consumer increasing purchases with credit rather than earned cash.
Personallty I do not like the choice of picking from two antique 19th century political/economic systems, being either socialism or capitalism, as neither is desireable in their pure form. But unless we can find a way to impose reasonable caps on management compensation growth and instead redirect the bulk of productivity gains, as represented by GDP growth,to the worker/consumer,no amount of easy debt, Federal spending or artificial job creation will prevent the collapse of a system growing more unstable each year.
The best way to quickly stimulate investment in infrastructure I believe is to involve the private sector as happens in other countries.
Moneys could be allocated to states and or local governments on the basis that every $1 of public moneys would be matched on a risk sharing basis by say $4 of private capital. This would:
1. Reduce the level of government borrowings and also leverage those "social" investments by 4:1
2. Reduce "pork" and vet projects by private investors looking at project economics
3. Draw in private human resources and speed up job creation
4. Free up financial resources at local/state level for projects which would be best done with 100% tax dollars.
5. In short use the US's greatest asset. The private sector.
E mail me with comments as I'd like to know who shares this thought
When I was a lad judging prudent equity investments included comparing Price/Earnings Ratios. Today, speculation ownership ruling, most newspaper financial pages don't even bother listing the P/E.
I just saw a headline: "Earnings Matter". It sems some are thinking a company ought to actually pay a dividend again.
My very rough calculation suggests that if the prices of stocks fall to historic P/E levels, the Dow will be at about 5,000.
With such drastic effect on boomer pension funds, wouldn't this equal a bonifide depression?
Mr. Reich,
Saw you on 1600 Penn. Ave. tonight and have a question for you. America has transitioned from an industrial / manufacturing nation to primarily a service producing nation; however, we have continued to operate at a trade (service/product) deficit with much of our global partners - what are you recommending to President Elect Obama to help bring our global service/product trade in line with other nations? Using federal funds to save specific banking and automotive firms from failure is a counter measure to a capitalistic system. I understand the possible implications if they failed but I am confident that they would be taken over or purchased by a competent firm prior to their total dissolution.
As I see it, the larger problem for America is the effect of globalization on American citizens and our ability to make a living long-term. When labor rates are significantly lower abroad, US firms have little alternative than to establish operations overseas. Our service based industry is also at risk due to our declining education numbers across the country. This puts American citizens in a position where they either need to travel around the world to maintain their jobs and live according to the standards of living in the host nation or become very educated and work for one of the remaining firms capable of exporting their intellectual service to emerging markets.
Your thoughts Sir,
Respectfully,
Martin
No doubt the new Adminstration will use the same SOP economic idea's as Clinton and to some degreee FDR.
What you are proposing is a political response to the rising unemployment and lower GDP growth
rather then a longterm economic plan to foster some kind of sustainable economic structure.
Trying to reinflate the consumer driven economic lifestyle via large gov't infastructure spending
will have limited impact since wages are a small part of the manufacturing,construction cycle today. We don't have a pick and shovel manufacturing or construction driven sector rather manufacturing automation and highly productive industrial machinery do the job.
Best of luck
Dr. Reich,
I fully agree with your assertion that we need infrastructure stimulus incentives. America needs to use this downturn as a catalyst for changing our oil-dependent transportation and energy infrastructure and develop the next generation of tranportation products. This should be a requirement of any money funneled to the automotive industry, that is, money must be used for R&D and production of next generation transportation products and systems to help establish the US as a world leader in this industry.
My fellow Republican friends love to pile on labor, especially unions, citing these groups for the root cause of our economic problems(while failing to accept responsibility for the mess created by our financial titans). This mentality is not only cannibalistic but it also assumes that one's individual actions and status are totally unaffected by the actions and status of the general population. Short-term maybe but long-term no way!
Robert; the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This course of action and deficit spending you recommend will lead to the eventual bursting of the ongoing bubble in US treasuries. The resultant run on the treasury and defacement of the USD combined with high inflation will be crippling especially to the little people and make the ongoing job losses the least of the problem. As a very smart guy said, "Let the incompetents fail, and then let the competents take over'. Government will only mismanage this worse than they currently are. A bunch of idiots made bad bets and it blew up; better to take a couple of years of pain now than prolong things and ultimately have it end much worse. The incompetents must be allowed to fail and government deficits have to end or god help our children. I trust Obama and his team know this but they'll need to get the congress to resist political forces to buy into it.
Robert: More on the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This article highlights government intervention at its finest and that's just the tip of the iceburg;
http://seekingalpha.com/article/105076-aig-paulson-s-folly?source=wildcard
s vader;
You quote " let the incompetents fail..." Unfortunately in a modern complex economy when the incompetents , that is, the corporate managers, fail, they bring down a lot of innocent people. Currently there are 10 million American citizens out of work, some of them unemployed for 6 months or more. What happens when failing incompetents add another 10 millions to the unemployed? 20 million folks lose their jobs, lose their homes, lose the ability to feed and clothe and shelter their families, but do not lose the right to keep and bear arms!!!!Do a bit of remedial study of the Great Depression's effects on Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain, China, etc. Forget principles or morality or whatever and consider what will follow when millions of people face starvation and fear.
silverfox
Your points are well taken. What you fail to see is that the bailout policies and parabolic debt will be far far worse than the failure of the incompetents. Maybe the government could instead pull back global military expansionism and utilize some associated freed up funds (non deficit spending) to cut taxes on competent businesses and extend unemployment benefits.
Hi there...
I have an idea that I wrote about on Open Salon, and I wonder what you think about it. It's basically to help fund projects like the infrastructure bank that Barack Obama has been talking about, and the change to alternative energy, by letting people buy specialized bonds similar to the war bonds the government sold during WWII. It seems to me this would solve several problems at once. My understanding is that part of the benefit during WWII is that it helped control inflation. It would also mean that the government would be borrowing from the citizens instead of China. I think that most importantly it would mean that people were personally involved...literally invested in the project of helping to turn the economy around. It would be empowering and they would feel they were doing something constructive, and it would also mean people would be more receptive to other measures that might need to be taken (such as encouraging conservation). I think that even if it were not a huge source of funding, it would be extremely valuable for those other reasons.
Sara
Bravo! An incredibly simple and elegant solution to a massive problem. Your explanation of the basics and the expected arguments against the solution are right on target. Will the hawks ever understand that the money never trickles down from the top?
Thank you,
Paul
P.S. What an impressive and comforting photo of the Obama economic team on Saturday's WSJ.
I've been pitching the $10K Solution across the Internets since September, but haven't been here yet, so here goes:
$10,000 to every taxpayer to pay down personal debt, improving personal balance sheets and reducing credit demand and risk at the same time. Credit card debt in the U.S. could be wiped out, practically, in one fell swoop.
That money is recouped over a period of 10 to 20 years through an average of $500-1000 per taxpayer per year, the burden can be shifted to higher tax brackets who have skated for so many years.
All of this stimulus/debt relief recapture goes toward infrastructure/health care/education/energy projects.
This is a solution that is as simple as possible, and addresses the short-term and long-term at the same time.
Of course, re-regulation of the financial industry must follow as swiftly as possible; preferably, anti-trust laws will be strengthened and used to break the "too big to fail" institutions we have built into redundancies that won't crash the system in the future.
After reading the blogs about China toy manufacturing shutting down and sending workers home, I thought I'd stumbled into a wierd Disney/Pixar holiday movie script. China coming online with massive people and production capacity has brought out almost instant market saturation. It took several decades for America to reach the status of more people than cars. China has reached more toys than needed in just a couple of years.
Infrastructure is ok, but who will stop infrastructure spending from becoming another Bostonian Big Dig?
Child care is a great need. Every senior major in elementary education, home economics, psychology, health care, should do at least one semester rotation, if not more, in a day care setting, which would run 365/24/7. It should be well supervised. I remember teaching at a community college and one student had to go knock on doors to find someone to watch her two children, before she could attend class. We have many unused resources.
In my carpentry class, someone stated he owned Ford stock "because Ford will always be Ford; it will always be around." Someone else muttered, "No, it won't." With Toyota, Honda, and now Tata Motors in India coming out with fuel efficient, smaller cars, if there is a bailout, it should be with dictates about the next production line setup. Someone on another blog stated the electric car technology has been around for at least a decade, but the Big Three won't make one.
Finally, for every person who wants to flee to health sciences and become an RN or other health care worker, we need much easier access, not two year wait lists. We need to exploit every type of telecourse, distance learning, using the chemistry lab in local high schools, the programmable humanoids that one company makes for practice in ward rotations. As I left carpentry tonight, my instructor was making, out of wood, a mock-up of an ambulance for another campus EMS students, so they could practice getting stretchers, patients, equipment in and out of the back of an ambulance.
I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.
Sharon
http://www.autoloans101.info
Good to see you back on TV and hear you talking. Especially if there's NO cross shouting.
tt
Hi Dr. Reich,
While I agree with your thoughts on how to fix this mess as being the most direct solution, I can't help but wonder how sustainable it all is. As you mention, "When there's lots of idle capacity, deficit spending is entirely appropriate, as John Maynard Keynes taught us. Moving the economy to fuller capacity will of itself shrink future deficits."
How long can this continue? It seems to me that American consumption went way beyond anything that is remotely sustainable. Isn't it possible that 70 or so years of implementing Keynesian policies has gotten us to this point of over consumption in the first place?
"It will never be possible for any length of time for any group of the American people, either by reason of wealth or learning or inheritance or economic power, to retain any mandate, any permanent authority to arrogate to itself the political control of American public life."
- Franklin Roosevelt June 1936
I remember growing up in the Reagan era and all the doom and gloom about his deficits. Twelve years later the Clinton administration left the country with a surplus. Adhering to Greenspan's economic policies more than they would have liked to was part of it. But technological advances such as the rise of the microcomputer in business generated growth no one imagined was possible. In my new economy job in finance/accounting, I do as much work as four people did back in the late 80s and the technology used costs about 20% of what it did back then. I think its reasonable to assert that advances in internet, environmental, and other technologies will create the same future booms that took care of Reagan's deficit. But not if we don't do the investing. I can hear it now; if technology investment is so lucrative why wasn't the private sector doing this to begin with. Because a quicker buck could be made investing in those funky financial instruments. They got all the money and a lot of the engineering talent to design those derivatives. My concern with bailing out the auto industry, is that they seem so incapable of producing a decent product. In 2007 I was car shopping, choosing between Toyota and Jeep. There was virtually no price difference, but the Jeep drove poorly (on a mountain highway!) and had bad reviews. That model was later recalled for some serious problems. I've had my Toyota for two years and of course there's never been a warranty repair. The complaint of higher labor costs is a poor excuse for what really seems bad engineering and to little focus on fuel efficient cars. This issue has been going on since the 80s; I've always wondered what dyfunction keeps American car companies from learning to do better. What could we do to bring about fundamental changes in exchange for the loan.
Dr. Reich:
I appreciate your thoughtful approach to the economic crisis. But I'm not surprised. You have always applied a rational, careful, and humanistic methodology to your economic ideas -- kind of like that new guy in Washington. How refreshing!
I especially agree with your support for investment in infrastructure. It will not only put people to work, but it will put the US in a much better position to compete in the years ahead -- a forward-thinking strategy that the outgoing administration simply ignored.
Please keep making your voice heard on these vital issues, Dr. Reich.
Barth
Dr. Reich:
The Ford Company makes and sells a 65mpg car in Europe. I would not support bailout loans to any auto company unless they plan to retool and sell cars with this kind of mileage.
Over 40% of the US oil consumption is related to transportation. Many Americans would buy a new auto, if they could triple their MPG. This is another rescue/stimulus option and it has the benefit of lowering our oil dependency.
Please help Washington think BIGGER and more STRATEGICALLY.
AmEx is redefining themselves into a bank holding company so that they can qualify for some of the $700bb rescue monies. What a bunch of Bullshi_ !!!
Sorry but I have to disagree with your assessment. I suppose we don't have any good choices left now and so the knee-jerk assumption is that we have to turn to governement spending. I think what you will find is that all these government interventions will simply make the US government insolvent.
What is the solution at this point? We need to cut out a lot of the wasteful government programs and focus on productive activities as you suggest. However, we cannot simply borrow or print our way into nirvana. I think we have to measure out a lot of pain and sacrifice over an extended period of time and let true capitalism fix the issues on its own.
Politicians will never accept long-term painful solutions so I imagine that we may eventually face the collapse of our systems. It could have been easily managed but politicians and greedy business men were allowed to ruin our country.
How did this happen? The current government is now so far removed from following the original Constitution that we no longer have a compass and are adrift in turbulent seas.
anonymous
"Politicians will never accept long-term painful solutions so I imagine that we may eventually face the collapse of our systems. It could have been easily managed but politicians and greedy business men were allowed to ruin our country. "
You are right on there. People should wake up and realize what's going on. You can't spend your way out of debt but that's the kind of corruption their selling to the people with scare tactics as a 'must do'. Smart guys from varied backgrounds have been right on about this for a long time (Ron Paul, Jim Rogers, Peter Schiff, Marc Faber) but their advice is ignored by those in Power, drunk on the intoxication of Political spending with the audicity to believe that government can run these failing businesses and print money and expand debt without dire consequences. The people should send a strong message to each congressman and senator that those who vote for continuing these actions will suffer in the next election, if they don't induce economic collapse and civil unrest before then.
john sellers:
Just an advance notice: I will not be one of those emailing you.
silverfox:
I feel your pain but I wonder if you are not overlooking a couple of things.
First, jobs and availability have a great deal to do with wages. When unemployment is very high, and it is if you count all the folks in Dr. Reich's list, then wages won't rise because it will not be necessary to secure workers. Certain skilled work, where worker supply might be weak might see rising wages but in general it is kinda basic economics.
In government funded efforts it is not unheard of for the government to dictate wage scales, usually broadly, with minimums, but that's not always a good idea and can encumber a process rather than improve it. Infrastructure rebuilding is great since it's necessary and can produce new jobs but the necessity is there even if it doesn't create one new job. Focus is important.
There is no one more infuriated over executive wages than I. But somehow limiting those does not guarantee that other workers will see significant increases in pay. You could try and legislate some way of forcing wage gains to workers but that's really a false hope. Forget that it conficts with the "isms" it is anathema to freedom and individual rights.
It works at the minimum wage level because it's targeted to a very low level of employment. To try and structure legislation that establishes wage scales for workers with varying degrees of service and experience would be futile, at best, and inequitable, at worst. To, further, try and tie future wages to productivity gains or some other measure of increased profitability would be nigh unto impossible. The bases would be so nebulous that the courts would be buried in an avalanche of lawsuits.
A well thought out tax reform, looking closely at the, at least, known avoidance methods and fixing any loopholes would seem to be the best way to deal with exhorbitant executive pay. I can't really think of anything that would force higher wages to workers.
Economics offers a modicum of help in that if we can reduce unemployment levels to the point that available labor becomes a scarce resource that will drive wages up. How much is anybody's guess. We do see that happening in a variety of industries in a variety of regions around the US. However, worker mobility can affect that economics solution.
The other major influence on those issues would be strong unions but that opens up a completely new Pandora's Box.
Of all the possible solutions, increasing the number of jobs would seem the best focus. The current problem has segued from a wage stagnation issue to a no wage issue. I once took a 30% cut in pay, from a decent level, and did not have to alter my lifestyle too significantly. The biggest impact was on retirement funding.
I agree that wage differentials and stagnation have been the crux of our problems for a number of years but I can't see how we change that beyond the scope of the marketplace.
First, jobs and availability have a great deal to do with wages. When unemployment is very high, and it is if you count all the folks in Dr. Reich's list, then wages won't rise because it will not be necessary to secure workers."
So too many workers = stagnant or declining wages right?
I'll say it again.
Too much labor supply= stagnant or declining wages.
So why are we allowing in 1 million new citizens in 2009 + 300-400k people on temporary visas such as h1b and L1??
Why is it that the press, and economists refuse to get to the heart of the matter? Since both seem to be the children of the wealthy, I assume none of them are really ever hurt by flooding the markers with people!
STOP ALL IMMIGRATION FOR ONE YEAR!
Adding millions to the unemployment lines in times of national strife is cruel to US citizens.
Art:
There is an old expression that generals are taught how to fight the past wars, not the future ones. Unfortunately the same problem seems to exist if we substitute 'that politicans are taught to manage yesterday's economies.'
There are two unconscious assumptions that I do not share with most of the folks, including Dr. Reich , who post on this site. First is the unsupported belief that free market capitalism, with the barest minimum of government oversight, will grow the GDP by 3% to 4% every year. The second is the now hopefully disproven belief that free market capitalsim will ensure the widest and fairest distribution of GDP growth along most all participating members of the economy.
If both of the about had been true we would not be in the midst of the current financial meltdown.
The reality is that GDP growth over the past couple of decades, starting immediately after the Reagan Revolution, has been driven by some 9 trillion dollars worth of money borrowed by the Federal government and fed into the consumer economy, while at the same time any reasonable control over the credit industry has been abandoned and institutions were allowed if not overtly encouraged to maximize the use od consumer debt to grow the economy. (Were the US to limit credit card interest to reasonable rates of a few percentage over the Prime Rate, only a very small amount of consumers would have such easy access to their use. But by permitting rates in the high double digits, there is no risk to lenders to extend credit to everybody who breathes. With those rates of return they can withstand a large rate of defaults and still make large profits.
There are several common circumstances today that existed in the prelude to the Great Depression. Concentration of wealth in a tiny percent of individuals, declining real wages of the working middle class, and expanding use of credit to finance the consumer economy, which in the short term was great for business and the stock market, until the consumer demand dried up due to debt saturation.
The point of this lesson, which I am certain you probably know better than I, is that we need a new game going into the future, but it will probably require we all suffer immense and intense financial pain before we as a nation are willing to experiment with something new.
Silver fox makes some good points which as an ex Wall Streeter I might not be expected to agree with. But I can tell you for a fact for instance, I was with Citibank in 1990 when it went bankrupt,that lowering interest rates but keeping credit card rates high was how the money centre banks were saved after 1990
The real point though, and I speak as someone who has put many billions into infrastructure around the world,is that you are still loking exclusively at the US model. Look overseas. What may have to die is the term "consumer led economy" to be replaced by "investment led economy".There's nothing wrong in borrowing money to finance a road or power station lasting 50 years. The French[EDF], I lived in Paris for most of the 90's, were the biggest borrower in the US commercial paper market in the 1970's. They were building $100 Billion worth of nuclear power plants which are still operating.Not buying new CD players every year.
Finally any banker involved in international finance will tell you that income disparities are the strongest indicator of a developing - not developed economy.
While I agree that the government is the spender of last resort, is injecting $700B in infrastructure the right way to go. Certainly we have hard asset needs. New roads, light rail, green projects are all valid places to spend money. But, isn't the bulk of our economy based on the delivery of services? Doesn't this economy need bailing out as well? Maybe this is done through downstream bailouts of state and local governments that are in trouble, but still - this isn't likely enough. So my question is -- where do we start with the new 'service' economy?
The infrastructure of this country by most estimates needs between $1.5 Trillion and $2.0 Trillion. The idea is to have the government invest much less than that ...say $300Billion and have the private sector match it with another say $1.2Trillion.The governments role therefore is one of "seeding" the investment rather than doing it all.
Saving GM will take a housecleaning of the highest order in terms of their management, board of directors and their designers.
But, who replaces them?
Perhaps an answer is found here:
http://downonmaggiesfarm.blogspot.com/
Enlisting the best and the brightest and most successful to lead our major manufacturing companies may be the best form of "community service".
Lucretiab:
If you want to replace the existing incompetent managemet at GM with the " best, the brightest, the most successful", I would suggest we pirate executives from Honda and Toyota.
John Sellers:
I'm just a bean counter so I don't have the knowledge or experience that you do but I keep trying to figure out, what would be the motivation for the private sector to invest $1.2 trillion against a government investment of $300 billion, especially for infrastructure upgrades? Your argument makes more sense in the area of alternative fuels or energy efficiency but even there it seems a stretch.
Perhaps further delineation?
Silverfox, et al:
Understand the desire to punish, humiliate, whatever, the brain trusts who put the auto industry into its current bind but let's not delude ourselves by thinking these guys/gals are not some of the best and brightest. Granted they were foolish and shortsighted, strategically, but their strategy did provide bountiful profits and jobs for a number of years.
They, as the American public, fell asleep with relatively cheap oil since the 70s. They trusted that the oil producing nations would hold oil prices to a level where the price of gasoline would not get out of control. Even as the number of oil producing nations expanded and the futures market began driving the price of oil, the per barrel price increases were within managable ranges, until.
Even the increased demand from emerging economies did not seem a harbinger of doom but rather of increased profitability from selling gas guzzler vehicles to these new markets. My best guess would be that the auto industry executives were trying to squeeze the last milk from the teet before undertaking a major changeover to more fuel efficient vehicles. Most all the major auto makers seemed to be buying into the strategy since many of them started producing versions of SUVs and trucks to compete with Detroit. The advantage most of the foreign manufacturers enjoyed is that they had long focused on that niche in the market interested in more fuel efficient vehicles. They applied some of that knowledge in their own gas guzzlers while at the same time continuing to supply cars with better mpg.
As with all instances of riding the crest of a wave, they misjudged the timing of catastrophe. They were likely aware that at some point in the future they were going to have to changeover but that changeover was going to involve significant investment in retooling, more than likely involving some period of plant shutdowns so economic planning became dicey.
It is possible that had the housing bubble not burst, sending the economy into a downward spiral, we might have weathered the brief gas price fiasco and when gas prices settled back down, the gas guzzler demand would have returned, leaving auto makers with a temporary period of declining profits. I do understand that the economic downturn had an effect on oil prices as well, making it difficult to support my premise, or separating the chicken from the egg.
My point is that these folks running the US automakers, just like those running our financial markets, are some of our best and brightest, and while blinded by greed and short term planning, they are not necessarily incapable of addressing the vastly changed marketplace. Given their industry knowledge and experience coupled with their specific knowledge of their own operations, we would be sacrificing quite a bit if we were to cast them off. Bringing new people up to speed, even experienced industry people would take time and eat up, at this time, limited resources. My sense is that we're better off sticking with them that brung us and even if they are not that good at fox trotting, a few stepped on toes might be better than losing our ride home.
"My point is that these folks running the US automakers, just like those running our financial markets, are some of our best and brightest, and while blinded by greed and short term planning, they are not necessarily incapable of addressing the vastly changed marketplace."
If I hire someone to do a job and they fail miserably they are not the best and the brightest (i.e. the plumber who can't install my sink and floods my home is not the best plumber)
I'd say you've been duped, yes duped into believing that because the aforementioned individuals acquired an IVY or prominent school degree they are "the best and the brightest".
As someone who supposedly works around students who are "the best and the brightest" I can inform you that in most prestige grad programs of all flavors, once you get in, YOU ARE GUARANTEED A DEGREE(ref-1). Hence there are no internal controls to prevent these students from running amuck in failure and incompetence.
Remember that guy called Peter who rose to the level of their own incompetence?
Not to mention the fact most schools in this nation are OVERPRODUCING students in every category, flooding the markets with students for jobs that don’t exist.
Higher education is the only growth sector of our economy because it has become a CANCER, gobbling up resources for the sole purpose of hiring more administrators and faculty.
I'd say you're better off replacing all of this country's management with community college or mid tier graduates. They understand the real costs of failure and don't possess trust funds to fall back on. The narcissism and sense of entitlement the supposedly top students have in this country is disgusting and it follows through in their pathetic business plans.
If you've never suffered you cannot plan effectively for the consequences of failure. Someone always bails you out.
(ref-1)-See George W. Bush- Harvard MBA, (the only president to have an MBA).
Art....good question.
Frankly the profit motive. That's a bad word these days but there is a financial sector out there that I helped develop which is not slicing and dicing mortgages into little pieces. It's called "Project Finance" which is dominated by European banks. It relies on a time honored principle called "cash flow lending". I've been involved in over $30 Billion such financings. They all worked although Eurotunnel, we were one of only 3 banks in the world that did NOT lend to that project, was a disaster. Internationally there are over 1,300 such deals done in about 30 countries financing toll roads, water treatment plants, schools, prisons and mass transit. Public Private Partnerships in other words.
The US has only about 25 such deals. The main reason for that is that the Public Finance system in this country, quite anomalous by international standards, says to politicians - show me a taxation stream and I'll securitize it. There is no vetting of the project by investors because they're not at risk.
I’ve been working on 3 deals in the US. A water project in California, one here in Arizona plus a highway project here as well.
You can study the Arizona PPP here by googling “The Big Chino Public Private Partnership” You’ll find background plus a presentation I made which has details.
There’s another water PPP at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/benmavy The site itself was actually election motivated but it has a lot of detail.
The real challenge is educating people and officials to the opportunities. In my experience what is most important from public officials is curiosity.
These types of investments make great long term investments for pension funds. To date Australian funds have been big buyers but people like Calpers are getting involved.
A question from a complete non-economist: Is there some point that a reckoning comes from deficit spending at the levels that we are currently functioning at?
I understand the role that the government plays as the spender of last resort. However, looking at theory not in a vacuum but rather in the light of current spending trends, the Social Security underruns on the horizon, and the recent rumblings that the Federal Government's credit rating might be lowered does the government still have the juice to play that role?
I'd like to see the government spend on healthcare in the form of "free clinics" in areas of greatest need. These free clinics would act as primary care physicians for the uninsured, and charge a co-payment equivalent to the co-payment of many insurance plans to discourage abuse of the facility. To staff those free clinics I would like to see the government offer free medical educations to doctors, nurses, and other professionals that are willing to put in time working in the free clinic system.
I think that this would give the biggest bang for the buck in terms of spending returned to the economy, as money is spent to build and staff the facilities, as well as providing a greater supply of doctors and nurses to help bring down health care costs.
Perhaps patients with non urgent needs could pay a bit extra for transport to the facilities if they live too far away or if they don't have access to their own transportation. Again money spent to buy the vehicles (from GM maybe) and employment for the people doing to transportation.
I think that the spending on this could be large, but I think the outcomes are better then other ways of getting at the problem that subsidize insurance company and corporate health care providers while providing little benefit to the people.
what would be the effect of giving the billions to taxpayers to pay down debt (a certain %) not just outright money ...say a person has a cumulative debt level of $20,000
and he has to spend a check he gets for $10000 to pay down that debt and nothing else.....he would have debt relief allowing for more spending (either through more borrowing or just because he has more paycheck left over to spend).
the taxpayer is helped but Wall St is also by an influx of money through repayment of debt owed. This way the money is controlled relieving both Main St and Wall St to some degree.
The extra money the taxpayer has would be spent in local businesses helping them to weather the tight market and stay in business.
Just a thought.?????
Not bad guys, but not nearly far enough. The crash is coinciding with the death of the "jobs model" of economic resource distribution, hence systemic change is required.
a short version of
HOW TO FIX THE ECONOMY
The problem is the SYSTEM, not the people who jump though its hoops. Here's an outline of a new system that will work a lot better and fix all the current problems at the same time:
Improve (global) BANK, etc. balance sheets by improving (global) CUSTOMERS' balance sheets with a monthly equal-for-every-legal-resident individual "bailout" sufficient to cover basic cost-of-living (exact amount to be determined by national cost-of-living; $1000 per month is currently suggested for legal U.S. residents).
(After one year, all new borns should have all of their monthly "bailout" money put into trust funds until they reach age 18 in order to preclude "baby-farming".)
Replace central bank money with government-issued non-debt-created money, in order to end the Federal Reserve's systematic ripoff of the American taxpayer by providing highly-questionable "service" (at great and unending cost) that we can do (easily and better) ourselves FOR FREE.
Get rid of all income-related taxes and institute a one-half percent fee for ALL electronic transfers (foundations, trusts, and religious institutions NOT exempted), avoidable by use of cash or barter.
Get rid of all other corporate and personal subsidies (and policies and programs - like the FDA - which create de facto subsidies) except as required to remedy previous market manipulation. (For example, Congress could create a "US Medical Service" - in order to remedy the scarcity of healthcare professionals created by letting the AMA, etc. limit the education and licensing of healthcare professionals - by financing required training, educational facilities and hospitals in order to train and publicly employ thousands of new healthcare professionals, exchanging "financing their education" in return for a number of years of public service during which service they would receive limited pay and have personal liability limited to dismissal from the service.)
Once the national debt is paid off and previous market manipulations remedied, the electronic transfers fee may be able to be reduced. Both the monthly bailout amount and the small electronic transfers fee can be adjusted by a NON-PARTISAN COMPUTER as required to preclude inflation and otherwise keep things humming. With no tax breaks and subsidies is to hand out, Congress shouldn't have much to do. Try to not elect anyone that wants an active Congress. Better to trust the market than 500 or so bribeable yahoos.
Get rid of any and all laws which obscure the inherent fraudulence of fractional-reserve banking, especially including all forms of deposit insurance. Banks which are consequently unable to hide their incompetence will either have to operate very conservatively or more likely will go out of business.
With all countries using this plan, poverty and illegal immigration will vanish, service jobs will be plentiful, crime, war and illness will diminish, and there will be incentive to maximize automation of the worst jobs (since they will have to pay more to get people to do them).
ETC.
art,
Regarding "the best and brightest", in a bull market, everybody looks like a genious. The MBAs and corporate and political leaders in this country (I don't know if this is true world-wide) are obviously fricking idiots TO A MAN (and obviously some women, too).
(aka alajac)
REGARDING OUR ADDICTION TO CHEAP OIL...If we are serious about wanting to get the USA to kick its `crude (oil) habit`, we need to have Congress add on a 10% surcharge at the gas pump (bumping it up another 10% every six months) and rebate the surcharge revenue in monthly equi-dollar amounts to every registered car OWNER, regardless of how much or little they drive. That causes the biggest oil consumers to subsidize everyone else with no BOTTOMLINE cost to taxpayers or consumers. The surcharge will incentivize cheaper alternatives to rapidly come to market and we will soon implement and use them, no government mandate required.
Many more good ideas on my www.classmates.com profile page...
Dear Professor REICH,
Annyong haseyo! Greetings from Korea!
It is great for me to discover your blog (only yesterday).
Congratulations for being in the
blogosphere, giving me quick and easy access to your latest ideas.
I have been an avid follower and reader of your ideas, since you wrote the wealth of nations.
I always ask my students to read and review your ideas.
Now I am trying to get a copy of your latest work on super capitalism.
Meanwhile, I congratulate you and the people of the US in having a great new chance to re create the wonder that is the United States.
You have a lot of hard work ahead.
We in Asia will surely learn from your work and experience. We also must remind ourselves to continue working hard, being creative and innovative.
Your ideas continue to be part of my own work.
MARAGTAS S.V. AMANTE
from the Philippines
but now a professor of business
and economics, Hanyang University
in Ansan, Seoul, KOREA
Email: amante2008@hanyang.ac.kr
Here's an idea:
Increase the corporate tax rate while maintaining or reducing personal income tax rates.
Why? Higher corporate taxes will encourage reinvestment in Corporate America and discourage profit-taking by the few.
The benefits would increase jobs in America by way of innovation through R&D, business expansion and growth, and, yes, wages, pension, health care and other employee-related benefits.
Now is the time to realize that what's causing this meltdown of productivity in America is the fleecing of corporations in the way of golden parachutes, humongous bonuses and the like that only serve to benefit a few.
Leave the personal income tax rate alone for now. Tax policy should encourage reinvestment in America, not deter such, as has been happening since the corporate tax rate has diminished.
I agree with you on this matter, but I would also like to propose the following 'hybrid-bailout', if that wouldn't lead to its own quagmire:
While I agree that it is essential to retain manufacturing in the US, including auto manufacturing, I would prefer that GM (and any other US auto company that is in trouble) file for Chapter 11 protection (as recommended by Mr. Reich), but with Congress taking measures to help prevent them from following on to Chapter 7. This might include offering credits for consumers who buy vehicles from such companies (or other similar incentives), as well as loan guarantees solely meant to pay suppliers (perhaps in as little as 30 days), as well as government backed extended vehicle warranties and, if necessary, a special fund for extending credit to purchasers, who might not otherwise be able to obtain such credit, but have reasonably good credit ratings. Of coarse, all such measures would have to be overseen by Congress and time limited. As pointed out by Mr. Reich, Chapter 11 would allow replacing most, if not all, of current management and boards of directors at these troubled firms and also open the door to renegotiation of union agreements. It might also make unions a bit more receptive to such renegotiations, because they would like to see some of this management replaced as well.
What to do about the car manufacturers is tough. Providing money on any basis without a strong referee is simply money wasted. I have no aversion to Ch XI except for one point.
When any bankruptcy occurs, the first thing is to put in place is a DIP financing [“Debtor in possession”]. This allows the financing for the company to continue to operate. Secured on a first priority basis over all other and prior claims, this is normally a piece of cake for the banks because they have all the assets. Except we have a credit crunch.
One alternative might to allow Ch XI – a judicial process separate from political interference - but have TARP play the role of the banks – because they cannot - and provide the DIP. As a tax payer it would be extremely well secured and might be a good compromise.
All current proposals for stimulus are doomed to fail because they are aimed at preserving something that cannot be preserved: i.e. the excessive and unsupported consumption economy in the United States. It’s quite clear that our desire to consume has exceeded our ability to produce for some time, likely by somewhere between five and ten percent of GDP. Until this imbalance is fixed, increases in consumption will not solve our problem.
The political culture is dominated by a desire to push consumption to the highest levels possible as evidenced by Pres. Bush’s “go out and shop” following 9-11 and the current focus on saving an outmoded automobile industry.
Instead of subsidizing unaffordable consumption, fiscal policy must be reoriented to investments that will restore national productivity and prepare the U. S. to compete in the 21st Century global economy, including:
(1) Creation on a modern transportation infrastructure structured to minimize energy use. This will likely entail a significant move to urbanism and a recognition that the current long-distance commuter culture is not sustainable in the long term.
(2) Development of a sustainable energy infrastructure.
(3) Massive investments in workforce retraining and a reorientation of the failing primary and secondary educational systems.
(4) Creation of an efficient digitally based health care system and creation of a national system of preventive care.
(5) A significant increase in the current level of investment in basic scientific research.
(6) Aggressive build out of broadband infrastructure to provide utility-like universal access to a minimum of 40 megs at the household level.
(7) Infrastructure investments to support all of these efforts, not a blind focus on rebuilding around the current automobile/long haul over-the-road-truck focus of the current transportation system.
In order to offset the deflationary forces built into the long term downward adjustment in consumption expenditures, the scope of these programs must be set at a level more often association with a national war mobilization. It is important, however, to remember that, while infrastructure investment can catalyze private investment, real productivity improvement must come from the private sector. Thus it is critical to also put in place tax and other incentives to the business sector and specifically to those small business that employ 50-500 workers each, as those are the firms that produce most of the new jobs in America. "Soak the rich" plans that impede the ability of these businesses to create productive capital will be highly counterproductive.
This type of program will take a major realignment of political priorities and real leadership from the top, including a new-found willingness to “tell it like it is” and to push aside the entreaties of politically powerful corporate interests which are more focused on protecting their perks than in creating tomorrow's productive capacity.
I realize that several of these suggestions require systemic change that will not occur easily without a new type of political leadership. I am very hopeful that PE Obama is up to the task, but he will need a lot of help.
I fully recognize that some of the proposed investments will not have an immediate stimulative impact. That doesn't matter. We cannot stimulate the old economy into coming back until we solve the consumption/production imbalance. It will be far better to make sure that the investments have a positive pro-productivity focus, both short and long term so that at least some of the balancing can come on the productivity side, rather than from a reduction in living standards.
I agree with almost all of John Slaters comments.
The only questions I have for him are where the line is between the private and public sector especially on basic infrastructure which does at least afford the possibility of mitigating the downturn for a large part of the economy whose jobs depend on conbstruction.
Be curious also to know what timeframe he envisages - 10 years? 15yrs?
You need to contemplate the other "economic equation," Professor: MV=PT. M represents the stock or supply of money; V represents the velocity of money; P represents prices; and T represents transactions (i.e., real economic activity).
The various "bubbles" to which you have been referring are caused by inflation. Inflation is normally caused by easy money policies (i.e, increases in "M" that exceed the capacity for non-inflationary, real economic growth). I believe that by accommodating the large federal budget deficits, the Fed expanded the money supply well in excess of the capacity for non-inflationary economic growth. For that reason, we had experienced tremendous inflation in housing prices; the easy money drove up the nominal prices of real estate assets.
When the so-called housing bubble burst, the balance sheets of financial institutions (holding the debt instruments that financed the housing transactions) lost most of their equity such that the banks were essentially forced to stop lending. This precipitated a virtual financial panic. Thanks to the FDIC and other federal guarantees and assurances, there was no traditional "run on the bank" where depositors withdrew all their funds. Nevertheless, everyone, including the banks, is hoarding cash. No one is lending.
Because of this hoarding, the velocity of money (i.e., the turnover of money in the real economy) has declined precipitously. As the equation set forth above indicates, a decline in the velocity of money will cause a decline in prices, transactions, or both. Unless the hoarding can be stopped, the recession could turn into a depression. Worse, the attempts to jump start the economy by flooding it with liquidity (i.e., increasing the supply of money, "M") may be futile since the additional liquidity may actually exacerbate the problem.
I sure hope that analysis is dead wrong. But from where I sit, things look pretty ugly.
John Sellers:
On your question for John Slater, my guess would 50 to 100 years. His synopsis, while sounding good and relatively simple, is fraught with a need for changes in human nature, which if viable at all, would normally take generations to effect.
Prime example: What have we seen happening to productivity improvements over the last 10 or 15 years? Gone to bonuses every one (maybe I'll take up song writing). If not bonuses, dividends. If not dividends, mergers and acquisitions. If mergers and acquisitions, what occurs? Job losses, and the circle remains unbroken.
His assertion that we can't balance our desire to consume with our ability to produce is in error. It is not our ability to produce that is the problem it is our lack of desire to produce in the US that is at the heart of our economic dilemma, not speaking of the current one, but rather our consumption distortion in GDP and our declining or stagnant wages.
Logically, from a profit standpoint, production will move to where cheaper labor exists, assuming material and transportation costs don't more than offset the savings. Free trade, as beneficial as it is for emerging economies, has caused this segue of production from high labor rate US to lower labor rate, Mexico, China, Idonesia, Vietnam, etc.
Many of his ideas are good but they kind of sound like a preacher informing us that if we all quit sinning we will go to heaven.
While I would favor separate tax codes/schedules for small businesses where the owners actually carry much of the risk personally, his "soak the rich" view and applying it to firms with 50 to 500 employees is also somewhat whimsical. Few employers with 50 employees would be earning over $250,000/year (Obama's break point). Some at the 500 level might be but that is probably dependent on the nature of the business and normal profit margins in their industry.
John Slater offers no suggestions for how we stop or minimize excessive executive salaries in much larger corporations. You could do it with laws but the tax code seems much simpler and more equitable in dealing with the issue.
I had suspected that your public/private answer was going to be via public/private ownership. That's an idea I don't find attractive or feasible across the board in the US. It's not so much the idea but the culture. In the US there is a tendency for the private sector to bilk government in their business arrangements. Further, in our society, it has historically been the responsibility of the government to supply, at taxpayer expense, the infrastructure needs of the populace. No doubt this breeds inequities but those will not be altered by your proposal and in fact could be exacerbated.
If we have the private sector managing toll roads or toll bridges or the water supply or any other infrastructure, we, the taxpayers, are now subject to pay for any mismanagement of their operations, with few or no options. I do not have quite that much faith in private sector management. Nor do I have faith that my local government is likely to write a contract that protects we taxpayers. State officials can get more bamboozled with dollar signs in their eyes than CEOs.
Hmmmm
Well as a Brit who’s lived everywhere, including in the US for the last 35 years, I’m going down to Phoenix to be sworn in as a US citizen tomorrow.
If I were as negative as you on this country’s future I might save myself the gas.
I believe you will see as part of this a general cleaning out of attitude within the private sector – something paid only lip service to when Enron occurred. Having seen that up close, I believe it was because a lot of people, all the way down to general contractors in this country, howled their anger but then basically emulated some of it in their day to day business.
As to the public sector, there’s going to be a lot of pressure and education needed so that the public sector can professionally end up doing do what it’s supposed to do – guarantee the provision of services without neccessariliy also doing it. Takes higher skill levels but can be done.
The real problem is that the US has not made a dedicated commitment to public private partnerships – except in the utility business which works reasonably well
There have been over 1,300 PPP’s financed around the world of which only 30 have been done in the US. What does that tell you?
Every country I’ve lived in, seven, usually think of their national champions as just that. Here even Exxon, the most admired corporation in many countries, even Venezuela sometimes, is vilified here.
I also did my banking training at JP Morgan in the 70’s – universally regarded as a bastion of ethics then. Yet JP Morgan was a robber baron who famously shorted his own stock. Point being - things do change. You just have to believe in it.
John Sellers:
Congrats on your US citizenship! We are a screwed up country in many ways but we're still good people, even some of those at the top of world, and there are few places better to live in; so I've been told.
I have only lived in the US, for lo these many 67 years. Therefore I don't know much about the machinations or the cultures of Europe, Asia or the rest of the world. I am not necessarily negative about our prospects, if fact, I'm, perhaps, naively positive about them. I have not attained the stature in the business world that you appear to have experienced but I have had a career in the business world for 40+ years, often in management but not at the highest levels, except in a few small companies.
Since you are somewhat of a youngster I can forgive your chronology of the pivotal Enron fiasco. Enron didn't create original business sin. They piggybacked on trends that have been going on in this country for years and honed into a fine science.
General contractors, especially, but all business in general, have been screwing the government and labor and customers forever in this country. The tendency was always to push the envelope to the edge but to stop before overreaching. Enron merely said, let's try going over the edge and see what happens. They were not trendsetters but merely took actions occurring for years and sophisticated them through technology to a well oiled machine.
You, of course, would be much more familiar with public/private partnerships in utilities but my experience in Ohio and now NC is that we have private utility companies with a public commission which watches over pricing and little else. The structure also includes, assumedly by fiat, a monopoly of service to defined areas. It creates exactly what I'm concerned about. If my local utility mismanages their business they apply for a price increase. Given the propensities of the public commissions, agree all in all they do a decent job, a price increase will be approved because otherwise service will be impaired.
A brief example: When I came to NC, thirty years ago, our local power company looked into their crystal ball and saw unending growth and demand for electric power, not an absurd prognostication, and they decided that they needed 7 new nuclear power plants. They secured the price increases to fund a good portion of the expense of the necessary investment. After a few years and the completion of 1 nuclear power plant they revised their soothsaying and stopped further development of the other 6. At that point they had siginificant investments in those 6 and rates stayed high to enable reimbursement of their investment. Not completely unreasonable, but I, and all the other customers, continued to pay for their poor forecasting (management?).
We recently went through a drought here and government officials had to impose water usage restrictions. Less usage of course meant less revenues. This began to strap the system and the government had to take the bullet. Many, including prominent local econ professors, we have 3 excellent universities in the area, began writing articles proposing tiered pricing that would have the heaviest users paying more. A typical "free market" response. The problem? Water is a necessity of life. Those who could afford to pay the higher prices could continue wasteful use, essentially robbing those lesser users of access to very limited resources. What would have happened if our water supply was controlled by the private sector? Price increases would have been a necessity to cover fixed costs and maintain profits in the face of lower supply and decreased usage. This would have led us to the rich get water (for their lawns?) and the poor drink dirt.
Granted we will all end up paying a price, likely in the form of taxes, and that's not totally equitable either, but those imposing higher taxes have to stand for re-election and we get a voice. If the private sector holds the reins we, basically, have little or no voice.
By virtue of the size of required investments in infrastructure the contracts for ownership/management have to be long term. There would be no rebidding provision after a year or two. The crux argument is that the private sector operates much more efficiently and therefore costs should be reduced or would be less volatile. Somewhat true but necessary profit margins eat into those efficiency savings. It is also fallacious that the private sector is a bastion of efficiency. Waste and inefficiency is often a function of size. The bigger the operation the more waste.
My most recent employer, a public corporation operating year after year at losses, annually threw away $10 million of obsolete inventory in US operations alone. Now they had worldwide sales ranging over the years between $1.2 billion to $2 billion, so the $10 million as a percent of sales was a pittance; not worth worrying about. I'm just a bean counter but last time I looked $10 million is never a pittance. Waste and inefficiency is rampant in all large organizations and governments tend to be larger than most but in the private sector much of the waste is hidden from view.
Again, I'm not fluent in many of the differences in the economics and cultures of various countries but my limited reading and information would suggest that the private sector/government relationships in Europe, for instance, are much better controlled with somewhat of a mutual respect for the necessities of one another. Don't know the current arrangements but I read an article years ago that contractors building roads in Germany had to provide lifetime guarantees for those roads. Therefore the engineering specifications were much tighter and resulted in much better roads. In NC, we're lucky if a new highway withstands the first winter without a need for major repairs and we have mild winters. Year after year I see the same potholes being patched by the highway construction companies as they laugh all the way to the bank. After a few years of this Kabuki Dance, we issue a contract to resurface large sections of relatively new highways.
The point is that there is no social contract between the private sector and the government/people in the US. At least not to the extent that there appears to be in Europe. As I said, this is not a post-Enron phenomena, this has existed most of my life, only getting worse as time moves on.
The current Metro, and other transit companies, fiasco is a similar situation. Not completely germane but exemplifies the troubles arising from private sector/public service agreements. Essentially driven by a tax dodge and admittedly surfacing because of the current credit crunch and the failures of AIG; Metro, et al, sold billions of dollars in rail cars to banks and then leased them back. Looked like a win-win situation until. I believe the dilemma has been assuaged for now but it points out the problems with a service providing government agency getting involved with the private sector and the only common thread is dollars and profits.
Somewhere along the line we have to grow up in this country and realize that the paradigm of a caretaker government and a laissez-faire "free market" does not yield optimal results.
From an enterprising standpoint I applaud your move into the US markets with your grand plans. Clearly we represent virgin territory. The options available to the private sector when coupled with the ineptness of government officials offers nothing but tons of profit potential.
I have something even more valuable for our government to spend money on than infrastructure (much faster pay back as well) . Spend it on the PEOPLE. How about investing in entrepreneurial , engineering, science, medical and other practical forms of education?
By improving our education (not just pouring more money in the current disfunctional system) we can once again become competetive. I am OK with infrastructure projects, they are better than doing nothing, but how about focusing on education by doing: teaching people to weld by welding, etc. This can be a requirement for any contractor that wants to work on the infrastructure to have an educational component as part of their bids.
This can be especially useful in network and internet infrastructure projects.
I don't believe that people need to work fewer hours, I do believe that the upper echelons , CEO's CFO's. , etc. must be paid in proportion to the workers not hundreds of times more. This must change and change now.
"Government spending lifted America out of the Great Depression."
You can say that and still maintain a straight face?
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I agree completely with the proposition that infrastructure spending is necessary.
If it is not already been done, the planning and engineering necessary before many of these projects can get started will be a major concern and may alter the priority order.
In the future we should have a list of projects pre-engineered and ready to go.
Art Layman makes some excellent points in his recent post even though I don't agree with all of it. The comparison with the regulated utility is both good and bad. The IOU model generally works quite well in this country but don't forget you are regulating returns rather than objective measures under defined contractual arrangements between the public and private sectors. Accountability is much easier to enforce when that accountability is carefully defined. One of the major benefits of PPP's is actually "built to cost and budget" with no change orders.
The relationship between the public and private sector is of course much different here. Having lived in France for 8 years I can safely say the whole country is a PPP with little transparency and no FOIA.
Big difference.
In short I think we need an American model of PPP. So far the few deals done in this country have been concessions imported. Not sure that’s the best solution
John Sellers:
Thanks for the kind statements.
It may be that a model could be devised for PPP's in the US that might work but the biggest obstacle might be cultural. As I often argue with Frank Thomas, an expatriate in the Netherlands, Europe has many good ideas that we in the US could learn from and maybe improve but their are huge cultural differences between us.
In the US, citizens are highly skeptical of the private sector and of the government. In net, we tend to view the government as incompetent and the private sector as greedy. Whenever PPP's are discussed or considered the general public perception is that the private sector would not be interested unless there are huge profit potentials and the government is looking to rid themselves of responsibility or a quick, one-time infusion of cash. The latter presents, in the most cynical of us, a view that someone in the political maelstrom is padding their own pockets.
Even if we can accept the initial premise, kicking and screaming all the way, the ongoing coordination and oversight role by the government is looked at as hapless bureaucrats being manipulated by shrewd businessmen. Often accomplished by under the table payments.
Further complicating the scenario is that as you descend the ladder of governmental structures, from federal to state and from state to county/city, it seems incompetency and graft increase exponentially. We often see bidding contracts opened tailored to a specific bidder. Quite often these open for bid arrangements are sketchy, even as they favor a particular bidder and then once a bid is chosen, all the blanks get filled in and the contract value explodes, all inuring to the winning bidder. In the government contract world, at all levels, there is almost no such thing as "no change orders".
I worked for a company whose business was 90% federal government contracts. It was an axiom, when bidding on a fixed price contract, that the bid would be lowballed, usually by cutting back on G&A expenses or lower profit margins, knowing full well that change orders would be coming which would allow recouping full G&A and higher profits on the revisions and those could end up being worth more than the original contract value. Everybody in the process plays the game the same way so competition tends to remain fair, except to the government. The government budgets x dollars and ends up spending many multiples of x dollars. Granted it's their own fault by not having specifications and deliverables clearly defined before opening the bidding but the question begged is, was that ineptness or purposeful? Similar games are played in the cost plus contract arena as well.
It is the common, accepted view in America, that when business and government get involved in a poker game the government will go down in the first round, even though they start with the bigger bankroll.
Admittedly this is all perception, few of us understand, in depth, our government's spending or contract processes, but in many venues, if not all, perception is reality. Perception is also the foundation for cultural mores.
My take is that in Europe the perceived bond between the private sector and government and the people is built on a belief of mutual benefit for all those in the country. This would lead to a far greater willingness and acceptance of any PPP. In the US there is no perceived bond between the players. To a great extent just the opposite is anticipated. The populace views government and business with equal disdain; business views government and the populace as sheep available for slaughter; and government believes it can corral business to work for the benefit of the populace.
Sociologically it is interesting that in times like we are going through right now there are shifts in the perception paradigm.
Perhaps you can create a model that will begin to tear down the barriers, but for now, we are only practicing one-half of Dumas's slogan. We've got the "all for one" part down, if we define "all" as "each" and "one" as "self", but we're a far cry from the "one for all" part.
By now it is apparent that you would come to me only to find out why something can't be done. If you're looking for creative ideas my phone will likely remain silent.
Finals week is coming up and I’d appreciate some help with a couple of hypothetical economics questions.
Suppose someone was walking by Bowdoin College in Brunswick, Maine - the part of campus right next to the famous and majestic Bowdoin Pines.
Suppose he picked up a few of the pine cones on the ground there right next to the street,…. mostly.
Suppose he took his backpack full of Bowdoin Pine Cones home, shook the seeds out of them, planted the seeds in really nice plant-pots full of soil, so that they’re all around his apartment and he can hardly find a place to sit down or even eat breakfast!
And suppose, in this way, he grew a bunch of his own little Bowdoin Pine saplings.
1) How should he market the saplings to students, parents of students, alumni, Wanna Bs and Arbor Day nutcases without incriminating himself, and
2) How many pines would he need to sell in order to make a profit and cover legal fees and court costs?
I anxiously await your answers.
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Anonymous:
What incrimination? Did he do anything illegal? Unless there are laws or regulations stipulating that all pine cones on university property are owned by that university, then it would appear he merely took something, viewed by most as worth nothing, and commenced to turn a profit. It is the American entrepreneurial way.
If he did do something illegal then an anonymous website offering the pine cones for sale would seem his best bet, with an occassional note to friends that he found this great website. Followed shortly with a transfer to another university.
After selling enough to cover the costs of the pots, soil, water and possibly distribution costs if anonymity is required, it's all profit. Maybe a contribution to the university to assuage any guilt he may be feeling and for mitigation should a lawsuit arise.
Continuing the enterprise might get lawyers involved but likely their clients would only be looking for royalties. At that point everything is negotiable with no court involved.
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