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Thursday, December 04, 2008

The Bailout Paradox

As a condition of getting a federal bailout, the Big Three are promising, among other things, to cut costs. Among the costs to be cut will be jobs. This is paradoxical, since the reason Congress is considering bailing them out in the first place is to preserve jobs and avoid the social costs of large-scale job loss (unemployment insurance, lost tax revenues, pension payments that have to be picked up by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, and so forth) .

We should take a lesson from the Chrysler bailout of the early 1980s. The ostensible reason Congress voted for it was to preserve Chrysler jobs. Yet once the bailout was underway, in order to generate the money it needed to restructure itself, Chrysler laid off more than a third of its workforce. Most of these jobs never came back.

And it's much the same with the mammoth bailout of Wall Street. Absent an explicit understanding of why public money is needed and what it's to be used for, taxpayer dollars end up bolstering executives, creditors, and shareholders rather than the workers and communities that need the most help.

80 Comments:

Blogger Art A Layman said...

Doc:

Yea, verily!

Not quite sure why Congress didn't see that after the first meeting.

Watching the hearings or any activities of our government leads one to the feeling that our founders are rolling over in their graves.

I did tend to agree with Corker about Chrysler, although like all of them he got a little bit carried away with himself. Realize separating them would be difficult but they do have a savior with cash so why are we bailing them out? Or considering it?

Really comical was one of the Senators trying to draw a parallel with Circuit City's filing for Chapter 11. Circuit City, while a brand, in name only, sells well known brands and if I get concerned with product warranties I know that I can go to the manufacturer of the product and get help. If the manufacturer of the brand goes Chapter 11, and then likely 7, I got nowhere to go and I'll pay through the nose when I get there.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jordan said...

Why not bailout workers and engineers, but not menagement. GM Menagement owns 30% of Mazda stocks, that i know of, but they have $60 bill in debt. Nobody is talking about that and what it implies. They will keep on outsourcing as a long term trend in order to chase profits and global monopoly. They talk about over kapacity but they do not say that was their intention in order to have better bargaining power. Overkapacity is due to menagement ordering more parts form cheper global markets, not only from higher productivity. They do not say about governments tax incentives for SUVs and Hummers that companies recieve. They do not say how SUV tax incentives are clear advantage over hybrid incentives but they want them to make more hybrids????? Forcing them to make more hybrids but wasting incentives on SUVs is a clear intention to toatly bankrupt them.

Bail out workers not menagement. Use anti trust laws to break them up in smaller, not merge them into bigger. Synergysing sectors should be another company, like engineering new technology and dealerships. Those sectors should be used by all of them and new technology would be easier to influence by government or public trends, Not only by GM menagers.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

If we do nothing, GM and Ford will merge and dump their nonprofitable lines. Thus nothing is what should be done.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger dalas v. said...

Nail on the head post.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Ted Seeber said...

Along with this is the rather interesting bit that the federal government has no money for bailouts- thus every bailout is an expansion of M3, which creates debt and causes deflation, when we really need an expansion of M1, which causes inflation but at least would combat the deflation somewhat.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

The smartest bailout of all is have the taxpayers fund a Medicare-for-all system. We are paying for it anyway, let's do it up front and save $400B per year in the process.

Importantly, that will reduce ALL corporation's costs by $6500 per employee per year. 100% of companies would be bailed out, rather than just a handful. That would reduce the need for companies to send jobs to other countries which, incidentally, have themselves a universal healthcare system.

Why wouldn't we want to do this? Ask the insurance industry and follow their campaign contributions for your answer.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jordan said...

Jack
Ha Ha Finaly somebody found kapitalist reason to have socialist healthcare. I am talking about you Jack
Many did that long ago, but blind Ideologists can't grasp that. That is a proof that humanity can exist within kapitalisam

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Chance Slade said...

Why not be more creative. How about a program that pays people to trade in gas guzzlers with the payments determined by the difference in gas milage between the trade in and the new car. The government could then scrap the worst of the gas guzzlers to prevent them from being resold. This would increase sales of new cars and reduce gas use.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger ASP said...

Professor Reich, wouldn't the idea be to save most auto industry jobs by shedding some? What's the alternative? Would Big 3 bankruptcies not be a catastrophe that would cause millions of job losses?

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

Jordan,

We already have a socialist state with all of the government ownership in banking and soon auto manufacturing. Might just as well put our taxpayer dollars where they'll benefit taxpayers; in universal health care.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Snoring Beagle said...

Klass warfare.




Plain and simple.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jordan said...

Jack, you obviously do not know what socialisam is by deffinition. By deffinition socialisam is where government owns MOST of means of production. Public owns one insurance company, AIG, no banks and no other company. It might own some banks later on, but that is only temporarily. Public owns military, police, SS and medicare. That makes it about 5-10% by my guess. To be socialist have to own over 50% of other companies, such as France owns refineries, railroad, banking, health care and some more.
And since retail industry represent 70% of economy in US, even if it owns everything else it would not make US socialist. It is not what i would want, just pointing to the facts.
I would prefer to make FED and 12 Regional banks public, other banks should not be in public hands. But, healthcare have to be universal, if not only for humane reason, but to make US companies competitive to other world companies who do not bare health costs.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Golumbeck said...

The government should nationalize the automakers - Ford and GM together cost under $10 billion, far less than the proposed bailout. The government should then merge the 3 automakers to make them more competitive, use its research labs to improve the technology and build green cars, its banks to provide consumer financing and should partner with the union to improve management. This is not socialism, it's environmentalism and saving the country's industry, and the companies can be sold off later if appropriate.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of giving loans to the big-3, the US government should simply place orders for 2-3 million plug-in hybrids and then auction them off to the highest US citizen bidder. This would help EVERYONE, not just the automakers, and would at the same time help create a new mindset in the country for plug-in autos. Alternatively, GM, Chrysler and Ford should merge and then buy out tesla-motors and use their excellent product as a basis for their new plug-in fleet.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

Jordon, I know what socialism is, and our views are probably not far apart.

I support the government owning the FED and some banks, but don't have a problems with private banks competing if they are strongly regulated. Nor do I have a problem with the taxpayers owning our own offshore drilling rigs and competing with OPEC, just as the US Mail service competes with UPS and FedEx.

But a Medicare-for-all system is not socialized medicine, it is socialized insurance. All hospitals and doctors are private. They just submit their bill to a Medicare (private) contractor.

I argue much of this on my blog at
MoneyedPoliticians.net

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If government could do better then Congress should start a car company and pay all the workers whatever the heck they want. That might just happen if these losers are bailed out. But short of Government compelling consumers by force of arm to buy the junk manufactured in Detroit, these cars will continue to lag sales of the cars being made in the South.

Of course, the President could send an army into the South and destroy the ability to produce. It's not like a precedence hasn't already been set for that.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The job losses are the real goal for the automakers. Look at how easily HP is laying off 25,000 EDS employees this week - many of them in the US. The automakers can't do that because many of their workers are in a Union...unless they can get permission via this bailout.

Any amount of bailout money is not going to stem the flow of mortgage defaults and loss of demand for goods by the thousands of people losing their jobs.

This deep recession will end after 2 or 3 years of wage inflation.

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger tiptoe said...

Too bad our students aren't ...for sale.

Yes, jobs always seem to be lost and never regained. Like with American Airlines giving up a lot in concessions and eventually getting nothing back.

I still keep thinking, "WHAT were THEY thinking??". Didn't THEY care that we couldn't go on like we were? Outsourcing tech and all kinds of jobs and then outsourcing manufacturing, making little in the way of products. All in the name of making a profit.

I guess someone made a profit outta this mess.

It had to end this way.

*thud*

tt

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger Mberenis said...

I'd like to Post a Comment The recession really isn't that bad if you know where to look. The bailout money is spilling over to us believe it or not. I've done research and found that there is more money than what you think...

Bailout Spillover

Thursday, 04 December, 2008  
Blogger andmar said...

http://prorev.com/moneyreform.htm
this is the cause of all problems,inflation deflation,pure true!!!all the best ,,

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Blogger andmar said...

first of all there is dig different between communisme and socialism!!!as a socialist i can be a liberal ,democrat,federalist,fascist,communist...
meaning of word socialist is misinterpreted especial in US ,,,

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Blogger M.G. said...

I would tend to see this kind of Paradox in the bailout of banks as well.

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Blogger Jeff said...

I disagree with you here, Dr Reich. There is an explicit understanding of what the money will be used for in the financial institutions - it is capital to keep them afloat. Free capital with no strings attached.

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Blogger M.G. said...

That's the problem, too free capital!
Non they have understood in Congress as well as we read somebody saying that
“Little is understood about how these investments are contributing to the nation’s economic recovery"

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't our leaders call in the heads of the US Oil companies
to help bail out the US Auto companies. The Oil companies
have been integral in shaping the direction of the car companies
and while the car companies have gone bust, noone on earth
is reaping profits like big oil.

Should we sit them in a room together and ask them
to take care of the symbiotic - patriotic relationship
they have?

Why should taxpayers pay again and again for something
that has such a simple answer.

Another idea would be for the US Gov to bring
in the heads of successful Auto Companies like
Toyota and Honda to be key advisors or even managers.
We could use a global solution (Honda - Toyota) to help
these lost companies, GE Ford, Chrysler find their way.

I know this is not a story, but two ideas that I would
love to see added to the conversation. They are so obvious
I don't understand why noone has offered them.

Please give them to Ms Huff for thought

Thank you




Richard B

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

With a market capitalization of $7 billion, GM wants a bailout of how much? More than its market cap? Why doesn't the Federal government simply buyGM and then restructure it to its heart's content thereby preserving all jobs? GM will fire workers if it gets the bailout. And how much of the bailout will be spent for lobbtying and advertising? The car industry is already the largest TV advertiser.

The government bailer-outers are content to let American business keep using the same business model: lobby, advertise and give executives multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses. Now they're doing it with taxpayer money. Hey, where's my bonus?

And I'm paying to have to watch ads on TV while paying my cable bill? Luckily, I have a DVR and fast forward through all ads. If I want a car, I'll do my own research. I don't need to be persuaded, thank you.

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

Jeff, no strings for the financial institutions? Yea, $50 million spent on executive bonuses.

And yes, indeed, anonymous, let the oil industry bail out the auto industry.

John, the loan to the Big Three is about twice the market cap of all three. We could buy them all at half the price they are seeking.

Jack Lohman
MoneyedPoliticians.net

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can employ 1.4 million Americans next year without creating a single new job.

STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW! ALL TEMP VISAS NOW!

Over 1.4 million new immigrants will arrive next year to take our jobs.

The globalist would take your jobs and have your children in the muck.

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congress will bail-out the big 3, its in their best interest too, and for our sake all of us as well. If they go down, the loss would be 2.2 million jobs directly related to manufacturing of automobiles, second hit wold be raw materials, steel glass which would ripple through the commodities markets, plastics and chemicals are being hit now see [Dow Chemical). Mining , ore and other ferrous metals would collapse, rubber, machinery etc etc. Taxpayer money should be used in credit lines for retooling plants, the nay sayers say it can't be done, thats total BS. the 1930's and 40's ALL auto manufacturering facilities were used to build tanks jeeps, boats and planes for the war. It can be done with bold leadership. The interesting thing is the infrastructure projects; are you really going to take skilled auto labor and give them shovels? Ain't gonna work period. Most of our economy now is service based and we didn't make a smooth transition from manufacturing. If they go down so will most if not all manufacturing of heavy goods. were doomed for a european style economy while Russia and China take on Industrial and natural resource leadership. Government action is critical to the very survival of our economy, and I would not be hesent to say that upwadrs of 5-7 million jobs could be lost if Capital doesn't act on it soon. I can't believe all the whining from Shelby and others who want these guys to fail, a definate sign that our economic status would fall to that of a western European Nation, maybe thats what they want, but wow lets fight for economic supremecy again- instead of giving billions to bail out other nations, hey charity begins at home- I would rather see a employed auto worker than an Iraqi on the American dole doing nothing.
jeesh!

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

It's clear that the "bank" bailout was really an investor bailout. The banks should not get another cent. TARP was a fraud. The only way to start the economy is to take care of people from the ground up. And if the economy doewsn't start, at least people will have their basic needs met. Government financing of infrastructure projects should be a source of new jobs. Universal health care is a must.

There are community banks that are perfectly healthy so we don't need to worry that we won't have any banks. The reason Paulson thinks bailing out Wall St is so critical is that a lot of the investors are foreigners who are the source for buying government debt. China's sovereign wealth fund, for example. And Bush's buddies in Saudi Arabia. We can't afford to offend them or they wouldn't keep on bailing out the Federal government by buying our debt. This is a Ponzi scheme on top of a Ponzi scheme. See Uncle Sam, Your Banker Will See You Now

Friday, 05 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jack Lohman- your piece is right on target, (I wrote the piece above yours #29). I researched China's role in this, and i saw your points outlined in your blog. Very good work btw.
I believe that China right now is on the cusp of gaining manufacturing and economic supremacy; my analysis of Japan in the 1970's and when they assumed Demings theory, how much of an improvement towards quality manufactured goods. Watch out if China develops a quality control commission and adopts these. No more lead in toys or melamine in milk etc etc .
a universal change would occur. Asian auto manufacturing as well as other heavy goods IE. S Korea, Hyundai heavy equipment (watch out Caterpillar) are moving into the correct direction. I believe the war economy of the US will only grow, customers being the military and friendly nations, this is a major decision that the US needs to make, fall behind forever OR recapture the market, first indications are good with a definite plan in the works today to help Detroit - and I am more at ease with the new administrations appointments so far, that said, I would be in favor of a huge stimulus package in the size of 2Trillion dollars to revive all states large cities, major technology sectors and that would also include infrastructure. Its huge i admit but it is needed and people have to wake up to this reality.
Thanks-

Saturday, 06 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Reich, I wonder why we have not considered allocating a part of these monies to consumer discounts to buy american cars? If we gave a 5k+ tax credit to buy an American car in the next three months, I would think that would go a long way and also have pull through multiplier effects.

If we set aside 5B for car purchase credits, that would put a lot of people in new cars.

Sunday, 07 December, 2008  
Blogger thoughtchallenge said...

According to an article in The Wall Street Journal titled "Automakers Report Continued Sharp U.S. Sales Decline" U.S. auto sales were off across the board compared to a year ago. That includes sales of Toyota and Honda. Here's the breakdown and these are sales decline numbers in order of worst. Chrysler 47%, GM 41%, Toyota 34%, Honda 32%, Ford 31%.

These numbers are staggering, and they do not represent a one month blip, but rather a continuous decline. All of these companies are laying people off.

The reason I mention this is for one very simple reason. Politics. The Big Three are losing this debate, because they have allowed the political atmosphere to become contaminated with an us versus them mentality and us is losing.

What is needed is an industry wide stimulus plan for auto sales in the year 2009. This would put salesman back on the job, factory workers back on the job, and Suppliers back on the job. Not to mention the truckers and the restaurants that feed them.

http://politicalthoughtchallenge.blogspot.com/

Sunday, 07 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Twelve days of bailouts, with running cost tabulated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55xJnIqq9ZI

Monday, 08 December, 2008  
Blogger LisaC said...

There is some part of me that loves the concept of social justice for all. Yesterday I read that the true cost of the current bailout is now at 8.5 Trillion. This number is of course, staggering. We balk at government regulation, labeling it as socialistic, but march in line to the government purchasing of BAD Debt. Where are those Milton Freedman lovers now? Let the market decide, yeah right, unless it means protecting those boys and girls in suits on Wall Street.

Here is my solution. Instead of giving the money to failed and poorly managed companies that in reality would go down under the ideals of capitalism, we should give each U.S. citizen over the age of 15, regardless of their tax payer status a cut of the 8.5 trillion. Lets do the numbers: current US citizens age 15 and over is 242,677,893 divide that into 8.5 trillion, and while it was difficult for me to punch that big of a number, I think that would give each one of us 35,025.85.
That would allow each person, to invest their money with the greatest marginal utility, inject consumerism into our failing economy and who knows pay for more than a few potentially brilliant leaders of tomorrow, college tuition, not to mention stimulate those companies that are making the products we consumers demand.

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信貸需求時,可以找銀行貸款三信商業銀行是辦理貸款的最佳選擇。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oa辦公設備如影印機印表機傳真機,現在都成為一台多功能的事務機就可以具備以上功能。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

不論派報夾報發傳單,看似簡單,但還是要找專業的公司,才能有好效果。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

寶威提供室內裝修需要的高品質馬賽克磁磚 (瓷磚)及拋光磚等

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladybuglight提供由日本專業設計師為新人量身打造的獨特喜帖,另有馬克杯設計。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

提供有關室內設計、住宅別墅設計、商業空間設計、室內裝潢裝修工程等服務。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

提供多益(TOEIC)、全民英檢、IELTS、英會、線上測驗學習及企業訓練課程等

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

三信銀行提供最專業的貸款服務,服務項目包括信用貸款公教貸款

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

專業的搬家公司,能讓搬家變得輕鬆。
提供搬家時所需的包裝材料,並有代為打包的服務及相關事項的諮詢,康福是最專業的搬家公司,能讓搬家變得輕鬆。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

全民英檢測驗對象包含在校學生及一般社會人士,目的在評量一般英語能力( general English proficiency),英檢命題不侷限於特定領域或教材。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

網頁設計需求時,千萬不要以價錢去挑選網頁設計公司,以免後續維護困難。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

禮品王國提供種類繁多的禮品贈品,讓您不再為採購禮品或贈品而煩惱。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

大台北精緻搬家是有搬家公司執照的專業搬家公司,除了提供大台北搬家外,還有全省搬家回頭車搬家服務項目,搬家時別忘來電洽詢。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

迪崴室內設計公司一向秉持的設計理念—追求美感的貫徹性及協調性,創造許多不凡的室內設計作品

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

大展搬家公司是專為台中搬家需求者而成立的,除了具有專業搬家技巧及精緻搬家打包服務外,還有全省搬家回頭車搬家服務,是搬家時的最佳選擇。

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

坐月子因時代變遷,而有很多方式可選擇,目前最常見的就是花錢到坐月子中心

Monday, 01 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

蔡佳祝高雄皮膚科提供皮膚診治外,還有飛梭雷射淨膚雷射凹洞診治服務,及特地為高雄減肥者成立的塑身服務,另外與蔡昌學醫師配合提供復健治療服務。

Tuesday, 09 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

使命必達徵信社提供婚前徵信、外遇抓姦、工商徵信、錄影拍照、行為蒐證等徵信服務。

Monday, 15 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

慾望城市徵信專為外遇婚外情、劈腿、婚前徵信離婚等問題,提供最佳的徵信服務

Monday, 15 June, 2009  
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Tuesday, 30 June, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Monday, 13 July, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Monday, 13 July, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Thursday, 16 July, 2009  

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