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Monday, December 15, 2008

The Logic of Keynes in Today's World

Not long ago I was talking to someone who once had been a deficit hawk but the current recession had turned into a full-blooded Keynesian. He wanted a stimulus package in the range of $500 to $700 billion. "Consumers are dead in the water," he said, fervently, "so government has to step in." I agreed. But I didn’t tell him his traditional Keynesianism is based on two highly-questionable assumptions in today’s world, and the underlying logic of Keyenes leads us toward something bigger and more permanent than he has in mind.

The first assumption is that American consumers will eventually regain the purchasing power needed to keep the economy going full tilt. That seems doubtful. Median incomes dropped during the last recovery, adjusted for inflation, and even at the start weren’t much higher than they were in the 1970s. Middle-class families continued to spend at a healthy clip over the last thirty years despite this because women went into paid work, everyone started working longer hours, and then, when these tactics gave out, went deeper and deeper into debt. This indebtedness, in turn, depended on rising home values, which generated hundreds of billions of dollars in home equity loans and refinanced mortgages. But now that the housing bubble has burst, the spending has ended. Families cannot work more hours than they did before, and won’t be able to borrow as much, either.

The second assumption is that, even if Americans had the money to keep spending as before, they could do so forever. Yet only the most myopic adherent of free-market capitalism could believe this to be true. The social and environmental costs would soon overwhelm us. Even if climate change were not an imminent threat to the planet, the rest of the world will not allow American consumers to continue to use up a quarter of the planet’s natural resources and generate an even larger share of its toxic wastes and pollutants.

This would be a problem if most of what we consumed during our big-spending years were bare necessities. But much was just stuff. And surely there are limits to how many furnishings and appliances can be crammed into a home, how many hours can be filled manipulating digital devices, and how much happiness can be wrung out of commercial entertainment.

The current recession is a nightmare for people who have lost their jobs, homes, and savings; and it’s part of a continuing nightmare for the poor. That’s why we have to do all we can to get the economy back on track. But most other Americans are now discovering they can exist surprisingly well buying fewer of the things they never really needed to begin with.

What we most lack, or are in danger of losing, are the things we use in common – clean air, clean water, public parks, good schools, and public transportation, as well as social safety nets to catch those of us who fall. Common goods like these don’t necessarily use up scarce resources; often, they conserve and protect them.

Yet they have been declining for many years. Some have been broken up and sold as more expensive private goods, especially for the well-to do – bottled water, private schools, security guards, and health clubs, for example. Others, like clean air, have fallen prey to deregulation. Others have been wacked by budget axes; the current recession is forcing states and locales to axe even more. Still others, such as universal health care and pre-schools, never fully emerged to begin with.

Where does this logic lead? Given the implausibility of consumers being able to return to the same level of personal spending as before, along with the undesirability of our doing so even if we could, and the growing scarcity of common goods, there would seem only one sensible way to restore and maintain aggregate demand. That would be through government expenditure on the commons. Rather than a temporary stimulus, government would permanently fill the gap left by consumers who cannot and should not be expected to resume their old spending ways. This wouldn’t require permanent deficits as long as, once economic growth returns, revenues from a progressive income tax refill the coffers.

My friend the born-again Keynesian might not like where the logic of Keynesianism leads in today’s world, but the rest of us might take heart.

74 Comments:

Blogger St. Louis Inquirer said...

There is another way rather than just reinvestment of the public sphere in the commons - and that is a renationalization of some of the commons that have been "bought" from us for next to nothing by multinational corporations - mineral rights, development rights, timber rights, and the like.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Thierry said...

I do think that kind of analysis leads us to the right direction.

However,

- systematic government spending on "commons" leds to excesses that, comparatively, are very similar to the excesses of liberalism. Governements, like banks, tend to take advantage of the situation.

- "consumers should not be expected to resume their spendings". This today would be anti-democratic. But the role of statesmen is to let consumers be conscious (almost in a marxist sense) that this is not only a financial crisis, but a consumer crisis (stimulated by the consumer society, advertising, lobbying, etc...) that addicts citizens and transforms them into consumers. People who borrowed for their homes to keep buying plasma screens are, in a way, as responsible as Wall Street traders: they were all lead by envy (this word to be taken in a Shakespearian sense).

- An idea comes to my mind: the capital we all have a birth is the duration of our life. When we work, "delegate" a part of it to an employer. Why wouldn't we state that the monetary mass is the total duration (in seconds) of the summed average life of all human beings ? What is a salary increase ? It is an ability to buy "unworked seconds" of your life. What happens when you buy goods ? You consume seconds of your free life that you acquired through your work. This would allow a lot of things to be put in perspective for citizens and consumers (although, I agree, it needs to be refined since, stated that way, it assumes that work is always an alienation, and this is only true in, let's say, 95% cases ?).

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tragedy of the Commons.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You old socialist, you.

Where do I sign up?

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous ANON48 said...

Thanks for acknowledging the new reality Dr. Reich - American hyperconsumerism is dead.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger steve said...

persoanlly a great low budget way to improve the value of my home is to STAY HOME and do home improvement projects.

i think the gov't could gain some value is ALSO staying home (Iraq? why?) and spending that money on "home improvement" projects.

there's a giant list of things to do. just like any home project list. it's a real investment and not just a welfare hand out approach.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's just one problem: people are still greedy. that is, they want to keep what they "earn" and want to accrue as much wealth as possible, however they define "wealth", which in most cases is largely material wealth.

What will determine whether the scenario you describe (the public in general being relatively frugal while the government spends liberally on things that benefit all) is whether people really value the improvements in the common good that benefit them more than they would value the private gain they would face if more spending decisions were theirs than the governments. This is more likely to be the case in recessionary times than in prosperous times, of course. So the question is, is there any hope of this sort of long-term Keynesian vision surviving in the face of prosperity?

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger MarkG said...

Well said comrade.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Sacrifice said...

Dear Bob:

I agree with you, but you sound a little bit like the Lorax...It will be a tough sell to all those Once-lers out there.

Merry Christmas.

NLC

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger steve said...

i'm confused. i did a quick wikipedia read on Keynesian economics. and your blog a few more times.

i don't see a fault with the gov't filling in with spending, but also do not see why you'd think there is a “growing scarcity of common goods” as well as “implausibility of consumers being able to return to the same level of personal spending as before”.

i suspect common goods like our infrastructure is always there for improvement, and new ones get created or invented.

while it's likely the general public will do another backslide in income and spending, it will return to some state, maybe not the prior spend crazy state, but consumer spending will recover.

the great depression had a value and - applied to my dad - a 70 year affect on him and hense me. and that's also a good thing.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger consultant said...

The con game of Reaganism, small government, supply-side economics, and all of that other crap is over for a while.

Oh, there are still believers, just like there are still real estate agents who have a home you've just got to buy.

But it's all mostly a con game. Always was, always will be.

I'm hoping the Obama administration can restore a balance in our American life where there are clear, healthy roles for the government, private sector, and people.

Small government is a fantasy pushed mostly by con men who want the freedom to steal you blind.

Which, is exactly what has happened.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Cas said...

I was thinking of a deeper problem that's related to this. We hear a lot of talk about the class differences between the banking and auto bailouts. What that reveals is that there's no sense of common destiny between different parts of the country. It's true that working people need a functioning banking system, but it's also true that bankers need a functioning manufacturing system. The banks have long operated as if the capital they play with has no relation to anything made in the real world. So when they're in trouble, most Americans don't care because the financial world is so apparently irrelevant to most of us. And the bankers don't care about the rest of us because our fate is not clearly intertwined with theirs.

What we need is a new social compact that explicitly links us to a common fate. The first thing we do is index all executive salaries to the lowest wages in society. No executive should make more than X times the lowest employee of the company or any of its subcontractors and outsourcers. What's more, executives as a class should get bonuses only in years where other workers as a class get proportional bonuses. As for capital, whenever government bails out private industry it should get common shares that in the long run are held 50/50 by workers and the public at large. That means that a fully "nationalized" company would be 1/3 private management, 1/3 workers, and 1/3 public control. Everyone would have a stake. Regardless of whether there is public control, companies should be required to give stock to employees above and beyond a liveable salary proportional to executive stock bonuses using the same X:1 ratio used for income.

With this arrangement, profits would go to everyone in profitable years. Losses would be shared. No one would get a bonus or bailout without everyone getting a bonus or a bailout. We would have a common interest, and there wouldn't be fully isolated classes living in different conceptual worlds.

What's good for GM should be what's good for its workers, and what's good for America. And what's good for workers should be good for GM and America. And what's good for the country should be what's good for its workers and companies like GM.

This would also lead to a reconsideration of reforms such as single-payer health insurance. We're all in this together, so we should all have access to quality health care instead of creating a two or three-tier system that in th end fails almost everybody.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Conor Ryan said...

The definition of Capitalism as I see it: a cross between a poker game and a pyramid scheme. First you build the structure by appealing to human venality; when it becomes unsustainable and collapses, the losers get doled out of the game; and those with enough capital remaining (the rich) start the process over again.

Boom, bust, boom, bust... Over and over and over again.

And then another salient, iron-clad attribute of Capitalism: it must be moving and growing at all times or it simply collapses. And this is not a good thing, especially in our current world because you must have a waste product - i.e. bottled water, light bulbs that burn out and must be thrown away, change in car designs every stinking year, and other fake necessities – or Capitalism just doesn’t work. This is a paint ourselves into a corner economic strategy.

NOT A GOOD THING!!

Furthermore, Keynesian economics is simply an air bag inside a car. It cushions the impact but doesn't change the direction of the car heading towards a brick wall.

End result: it’s killing the planet. Hellooooo China!!

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger steve said...

Cas said... "I was thinking of a "


make all the money you want as a private company, but i would say once a company decides to go public, CEO salary rules need to be imposed. taking a new company public is a winfall lottery win for those who do it. the ideal of the new stock offering going to the company is a fantasy. it goes into CEO pockets as bonus'.

voting with your feet, moving your 401K-IRA mutual fund money does nothing since we have no voice. it's institutional money that has a voice, not the regular people.

you'd see a lot of companies stay private if they were not allowed to squander public stock money like they can today.

"public" stock should mean more than it does.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen, the top 5% control everything. In the end they will retreat behind high walls and throw us crumbs.

Only way out is a revolution. Seize the national wealth and redistribute it.

No other solution. The minds of the top 5% are filthy and rotten.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Tom Simon said...

Somehow we will need to take back for the common good the excessive wealth that has been siphoned off over the past several decades by a very wealthy group that have had extraordinary gains, often due to manuplative practices. Is there to be a confrontation? Or has it already begun?

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger dalas v. said...

Thank you for this post. I've been waiting to hear your position on the end of "stuff."

This one's going to be a hard sell, though. Especially because it will be so easy for the other side of the debate to conjure images of Soviet bread lines in the minds of the populace.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous oliversnit said...

You folks better go to the video store and checkout SOYLENT GREEN. That is your future.

Just where are millions of Americans going to find employment of any sort? I mean I for one would be glad to pick up paper on the side of the road for a LIVING WAGE and HEALTH INSURANCE. I am not proud.

But, where are people going to work? The days of shuffling paper and information are gone. It wasn't real, still isn't and not going to become real. A con game by any other name.

A stimulus package? Stimulate what? The steel for bridges will be bought from Korea. America has so little capacity anymore. Much of our raw material comes from overseas. What are we going to pay for it with? Monopoly money?

"The fundamentals are sound." BAH!

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Robert:

And now the plot thickens.

Suddenly we are witnessing the decline of the old tried and true comfortable world and now are charging off into a brave new and as yet unknown way of life. But what happens to the pillars of our society if everybody decides to stop wasteful and unnecessary consumption ? Industries will collapse, millions will be unemployed, the rich will become poor , and tax revenues will shrink away. GDP wil contract annually even as population continues to increase and place demands on the economy. As unit wealth per capita declines will we come to honor and respect poverty ?
Will we stop worshipping the rich, famous and powerful and reduce the millions paid to our god-like superstars ? Will a new national leadership of perfect politicans become our substitute parents, devoting their very existence to making the masses happy, healthly and content?

Pardon my sarcasism ,but change of the sort you envision will be very painfull while we go through a long labored phase of transition. Best we all give it a lot of thought before rushing off to join the revolution.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger Sandwichman said...

Yes... Yes... Yes!

"As the third phase comes into sight; the problem stressed by Sir H. Henderson begins to be pressing. It becomes necessary to encourage wise consumption and discourage saving,-and to absorb some part of the unwanted surplus by increased leisure, more holidays (which are a wonderfully good way of getting rid of money) and shorter hours." J.M. Keynes, 1943

THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM OF FULL EMPLOYMENT

J.M. Keynes (May 1943):

1. It seems to be agreed today that the maintenance of a satisfactory level of employment depends on keeping total expenditure (consumption plus investment) at the optimum figure, namely that which generates a volume of incomes corresponding to what is earned by all sections of the community when employment is at the desired level.

2. At any given level and distribution of incomes the social habits and opportunities of the community, influenced (as it may be) by the form and weight of taxation and other deliberate policies and propaganda, lead them to spend a certain proportion of these incomes and to save the balance.

3. The problem of maintaining full employment is, therefore, the problem of ensuring that the scale of investment should be equal to the savings which may be expected to emerge under the above various influences when employment, and therefore incomes, are at the desired level. Let us call this the indicated level of savings.

4. After the war there are likely to ensure [sic] three phases-
(i) when the inducement to invest is likely to lead, if unchecked, to a volume of investment greater than the indicated level of savings in the absence of rationing and other controls;
(ii) when the urgently necessary investment is no longer greater than the indicated level of savings in conditions of freedom, but it still capable of being adjusted to the indicated level by deliberately encouraging or expediting less urgent, but nevertheless useful, investment;
(iii) when investment demand is so far saturated that it cannot be brought up to the indicated level of savings without embarking upon wasteful and unnecessary enterprises.

5. It is impossible to predict with any pretence to accuracy what the indicated level of savings after the war is likely to be in the absence of rationing. We have no experience of a community such as ours in the conditions assumed, with incomes and employment steadily at or near the optimum level over a period and with the distribution of incomes such as it is likely to be after the war. It is, however, safe to say that in the earliest years investment urgently necessary will be in excess of the indicated level of savings. To be a little more precise the former (at the present level of prices) is likely to exceed £m1000 in these years and the indicated level of savings to fall short of this.

6. In the first phase, therefore, equilibrium will have to be brought about by limiting on the one hand the volume of investment by suitable controls, and on the other hand the volume of consumption by rationing and the like. Otherwise a tendency to inflation will set in. It will probably be desirable to allow consumption priority over investment except to the extent that the latter is exceptionally urgent, and, therefore, to ease off rationing and other restrictions on consumption before easing off controls and licences for investment. It will be a ticklish business to maintain the two sets of controls at precisely the right tension and will require a sensitive touch and the method of trial and error operating through small changes.

7. Perhaps this first phase might last five years,-but it is anybody's guess. Sooner or later it should be possible to abandon both types of control entirely (apart from controls on foreign lending). We then enter the second phase, which is the main point of emphasis in the paper of the Economic Section. If two-thirds or three-quarters of total investment is carried out or can be influenced by public or semi-public bodies, a long-term programme of a stable character should be capable of reducing the potential range of fluctuation to much narrower limits than formerly, when a smaller volume of investment was under public control and when even this part tended to follow, rather than correct, fluctuations of investment in the strictly private sector of the economy. Moreover the proportion of investment represented by the balance of trade, which is not easily brought under short-term control, may be smaller than before. The main task should be to prevent large fluctuations by a stable long-term programme. If this is successful it should not be too difficult to offset small fluctuations by expediting or retarding some items in this long-term programme.

8. I do not believe that it is useful to try to predict the scale of this long-term programme. It will depend on the social habits and propensities of a community with a distribution of taxed income significantly different from any of which we have experience, on the nature of the tax system and on the practices and conventions of business. But perhaps one can say that it is unlikely to be less than 7 per cent or more than 20 per cent of the net national income, except under new influences, deliberate or accidental, which are not yet in sight.

9. It is still more difficult to predict the length of the second, than of the first, phase. But one might expect it to last another five or ten years and to pass insensibly into the third phase.

10. As the third phase comes into sight; the problem stressed by Sir H. Henderson begins to be pressing. It becomes necessary to encourage wise consumption and discourage saving,-and to absorb some part of the unwanted surplus by increased leisure, more holidays (which are a wonderfully good way of getting rid of money) and shorter hours.

11. Various means will be open to us with the onset of this golden age. The object will be slowly to change social practices and habits so as to reduce the indicated level of saving. Eventually depreciation funds should be almost sufficient to provide all the gross investment that is required.

12. Emphasis should be placed primarily on measures to maintain a steady level of employment and thus to prevent fluctuations. If a large fluctuation is allowed to occur, it will be difficult to find adequate offsetting measures of sufficiently quick action. This can only be done through flexible methods by means of trial and error on the basis of experience, which has still to be gained. If the authorities know quite clearly what they are trying to do and are given sufficient powers, reasonable success in the performance of the task should not be too difficult.

13. I doubt if much is to be hoped from proposals to offset unforeseen short-period fluctuations in investment by stimulating short-period changes in consumption. But I see very great attractions and practical advantage in Mr Meade's proposal for varying social security contributions according to the state of employment.

14. The second and third phases are still academic. Is it necessary at the present time for Ministers to go beyond the first phase in preparing administrative measures? The main problems of the first phase appear to be covered by various memoranda already in course of preparation. insofar as it is useful to look ahead, I agree with Sir H. Henderson that we should be aiming at a steady long-period trend towards a reduction in the scale of net investment and an increase in the scale of consumption (or, alternatively, of leisure) but the saturation of investment is far from being in sight to-day The immediate task is the establishment and the adjustment of a double system of control and of sensitive, flexible means for gradually relaxing these controls in the light of day-by-day experience

I would conclude by two quotations from Sir H. Henderson's paper, which seem to me to embody much wisdom.

"Opponents of Socialism are on strong ground when they argue that the State would be unlikely in practice to run complicated industries more efficiency than they are run at present. Socialists are on strong ground when they argue that reliance on supply and demand, and the forces of market competition, as the mainspring of our economic system, produces most unsatisfactory results. Might we not conceivably find a modus vivendi for the next decade or so in an arrangement under which the State would fill the vacant post of entrepreneur-in-chief, while not interfering with the ownership or management of particular businesses, or rather only doing so on the merits of the case and not at the behests of dogma?

"We are more likely to succeed in maintaining employment if we do not make this our sole, or even our first, aim. Perhaps employment, like happiness, will come most readily when it is not sought for its own sake. The real problem is to use our productive powers to secure the greatest human welfare. Let us start then with the human welfare, and consider what is most needed to increase it. The needs will change from tune to time, they may shift, for example, from capital goods to consumers' goods and to services. Let us think in terms of organising and directing our productive resources, so as to meet these changing needs, and we shall be less likely to waste them."

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger lineup32 said...

At least you are coming around to the idea that continued consumer spending at current levels is unlikely. The discussion then becomes level's of life style and what exact level folks are willing to accept given our pass excesses.
Good post Robert this is the direction of that the discussion needs to be directed in the future.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two recent anecdotal business stories I heard tell me that the Easternization of labor has hit a bump. 1) On an IT outsourcing project, the India based company asked for more money to replace American workers than cost the US company. 2) Chinese supplier of steel products to US assembler wants more money than the same job cost when done in the US.

Someone with the means can collect and analyse the current Eastern labor/material costs. I suspect that globalization , the move from West to East for much of labor costs, is leveling.

Business will open plants in the US because overall costs are competetive. Now is the opportunity for the US ( indeed the West ) to compete again.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Reich,

A very succinct (and up-to-date) synopsis of The Affluent Society.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't trust our government to do much of anything correctly. I don't agree with the premise that Gov can competently take up the slack from us consumers. The US gov will just make big mistakes because of the now pervasive cronyism.

I wouldn't mind the US being split into smaller entities where gov officials would have more accountability to citizens. Either that or drastically reduced federal power.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Dave said...

Capitalism doesn't mean over-consumption & excess consumerism; that is just one of the byproducts of an era built on materialism.

The inverse; state-control and government direction doesn't mean consumption and consumerism dies either.

The tide change won't come from government mandates - it will come from the same capitalism that has brought us to this stage. Remember $150/barrel oil and $5/gallon gas? Suddenly the evil American consumer was driving less, seeking fuel efficient cars, and mass transit ridership was booming. You can talk all you want about "going green" and the common good, but until there are economic disincentives towards communally shared resources, our past trends will continue to repeat themselves.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Blogger dalas v. said...

What I want from life:

1. A living wage.

2. A guarantee that if something breaks in my body, it will be fixed.

3. Satisfactory housing for my family.

4. Food that is safe to consume.

5. Time to relax / a reasonable work schedule.

6. The ability to travel to see my friends and family.

7. A job that works with my unique skills and talents.

8. Some level of cultural enrichment.

All this stuff like Xboxes, HD TVs, DVD collections, fancy cameras, STUFF... I could easily live without it as long as I felt safe and sure that I would not die on the streets of a treatable illness.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

Dr. Reich,

Killer entry! I truly hope that if the someone whom you were referring to is an influential someone, you will consider revisiting the discussion with him/her, and point out the errors of latching onto rigid theoretical assumptions. It's worrisome to know that so many folks who get to lend policy advice and get to write the rules of the road are so utterly divorced from the myriad ways in which macro-level decisions and factors affect ordinary human beings. In fact, it's downright frightening.

The shifts in power since the 70s are worth mentioning: from popular political movements to big campaign contributors; from voters to corporate lobbyists; from labor unions to corporations; from wage-earners to big-asset owners; from employees to CEOs; from Main Street to Wall Street. Those power shifts translated into rule/policy changes that functioned to worsen inequality via an anti-union climate; global treaties that benefit corporations, not workers or communities; big taxes for the wealthy, no tax relief for working families; an expansion in corporate welfare and cuts in human services; minimum wage not raised to keep up with inflation; fed policies that help investors and hurt wage growth (e.g., "whip inflation" policy); government dismantling/privatization which also helps investors while hurting workers and consumers; deregulation and regulation; the restructing of work and the breakdown of the social contract; etc.

While there are a lot of people who are guilty of buying crap that they don't need, all evidence points to the fact that the middle class and everyone below them have had their standards of living either stagnant or declining for the past 30 years. I believe that while things seemed much better for most people under Bill Clinton's presidency, a lot of it had to do with false prosperity that came along with the availability of cheap credit during the 90s.

Honestly, anyone who thinks that the Obama administration can bail us out of this by spending upwards of a trillion dollars, and thereby "restoring the functionality" of the economy is insane. Just as economists who didn't see anything wrong with the increase in economic inequality in this country over the years are complete putzs. The greater the variance in wealth in a country, the more negative are the long-term economic consequences. It's that simple. The stronger the middle class, the stronger the economy. Illusions of strength don't work, just as illusions of dollars don't work for the top 5%.

Things will not go back to "normal" any time soon. Aside from the frivilous consumption that the growth of the economy depends on, it's likely that there will be changes in all forms of consumption. It probably won't be long until we start hearing stories about hospitals being more overburdened due to people cutting health insurance to save $ and winding up in the emergency room as a result. One thing I worry about is that the face of higher education might change a lot as students of humble backgrounds find it even more difficult to attend college.

About assumption #2, Herman Daly is an economist who breaks with the growth economists by advocating 1) redesigning our laws and institutions to foster an economy that remains within biophysical limits, and 2) gradually increasing the reserves requirements for banks and having them act as financial intermediaries that lend other people's money rather than operate as engines that create money out of nothing and lend it at interest. While his suggestions would slow the economy, he sees growth as uneconomic.

I understand that for years, the U.S. Congressional Progressive Caucus has been trying to advance their Sustainable Global Economy Act, which calls for a national dialogue, sponsored by a federal Commission on Globalization. The act urges a series of Bretton Woods-type conferences, with representation of civil society organizations, to advance recommendations for a Global Sustainable Development Agreement. It also calls on the U.S. government to develop and implement a strategy to restructure the international financial system to avoid global recessions, protect the environment, ensure full employment, reverse the polarization of the wealthy and everyone else, and support the efforts of different jurisdictions to mobilize and coordinate their economic resources. The current climate seems primed for the passage of that act.

Monday, 15 December, 2008  
Anonymous matt said...

it's good to see someone using a blog for what it is actually meant for look forward to seeing further comments. great blog

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when has Washington listened?
Mr. Market still has a few lessons to teach on how poorly its managed as such. Example- Out of 123 employees 2 went fixed to protect capital last year and these are Global players mind you. Given the exchange rates I still lost money when I went fixed in September 2007Just because things are focused now to how poorly they percieve thing does not mean a blanket statement to change With the Democrats either. It's not that government has lacked information needed to fix the problem. It is institutionally incapable of bringing about the desired result, since the principles of profit and loss, private property and contract, enterprise and entrepreneurship, do not exist in government. Government operates with an eye to its own short-term survival, and those of its connected interest groups, and nothing else period in real global history.
I guess the point is "paper profits - exchange rates I was at 4percent over 10 years in dollars compared to even. I was up 15.3 over 10 years. Percentange of my money is invested in a zero sum game of our so called economy. The real numbers are staggering to capitalized base lost in the states to manufactor anything.
Let’s face it that they are in the business of your business. They are totally unable to understand that capital will go where it is treated best. They are not links in a chain but welded now togeather to such a fashion that the course has been set to observed bent of mind, and the gravity it is subject to will run due course. Empires do not always grow either, according to my history books, and for good reasons – motivations are replaced by expectations. Reality does not or ever have straight-line, it cycles. There are many Wall Street salesmen who can imagine scenarios where they multiply in size by 13 again over the next two decades from here, without the same tailwinds. Their stuff is a lot more popular to read than this. Finance as practiced in the last 30or so years has no place in this world. There is no room - or any need whatsoever - for chop-and-shop LBO strippers, asset pumpers, market operators, derivatives designers, financial engineers. Drown them now. As we are for positive change needed would need: 125% of Americans to invest in the stock market.
Taxes to get cut in half from here. Democratic economic theory has been:
"If moves tax it, if it keeps moving regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it."
Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. The ten-year Treasury to repeat its steady descent of over 11 percentage points from a starting point of 5%. To make the small print perfectly clear, this shows the rally in the Dow Jones Industrial Average over the past 4 years of +13%. But if you lived anywhere else with the other 95% of the world’s population that same investment cost you (24%) in the declining value of the dollar. By the time you converted your dollar profits into local currency you were, on average, net negative – 11%, during this “rally.” The only way to create (fiat) money is to borrow it; debt is money and money is debt. Money creation, i.e. borrowing, at a pace faster than GDP growth and earned income has lead to a run-up in asset prices. Borrowing at a pace faster than earned income is unsustainable because debt cannot be serviced properly; it ultimately becomes a self-destructive Ponzi scheme. A collapsing Ponzi scheme wipes out debt and slashes asset prices until the balance between income and debt is restored.
Therefore...
All actions designed to maintain a Ponzi scheme are - mathematically -certain to fail.
Let's look at what happened in the US in the last few years.
Yes I am upset that educated idiots
run things as such still to date. I will never borrow again in my life. My children will not either as I explained the math and long term reason why and where we are headed. I will look next year who is standing to invest.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
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Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Linda said...

Robert Reich..

FABULOUS BLOG!! It is great to see you have deserted Paul Krugman's latest idiocy...but, can you blame him?!! He still lost in the giddy fog of winning the Nobel Peace prize just a few weeks ago.

Noel Sheppard of the Wall Street Journal said yesterday: "Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman showed Sunday morning just how separated from reality and the common man he actually is. . . .With total disregard for what Americans are going through, and an almost unthinkable ignorance of the government's current budget, Krugman responded to host George Stephanopoulos's question about whether he's sticking to the $600 billion economic recovery spending projection he offered on the program a month ago...'My number is going up'" says Krugman !!!???!!!

Let's hope Obama has other advisors and enough native sense to think on his own.

We have all been programmed to think that if the stock market fails, if we stop consuming, the sky will fall. Quite the contrary. Here in the dead of Michigan folks aren't worried. I've been talking to the people who have lived here all their lives--store owners, landscapers, repairmen--they all have more than one thing they can do besides their jobs in the auto industry. They've dealt with unemployment before. "Tough times never last, but tough people do, " one told me yesterday.

Ideologically we have a lot of work to do, to get people used to the idea that they don't need a lot of stuff to be happy, but this ideology can change. In fact, it already has.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Steve Davis said...

The real questions is can we move back to a model of dividend distribution as a reward for risk rather than one of growth. Growth at all cost has become the norm as ownership has been distributed to the masses via 401-K plans. Artificial growth, vis a vis credit expansion and government spending is not sustainable. This can only be achieved through productivity gains. The idea of spending our way out of trouble by borrowing today and paying back tomorrow is right up there with world peace and ending hunger.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Mohammad said...

A question: Doesn't Keynesian macromanagement of the economy presume a natinoal economy that is not as integrated in the world economy as the US?

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since the days of the end of the Cold War Peace Dividend, I have been sending a proposal for a passenger rail system (built on the median of the Interstate Highway System) to each of the presidential candidates. No responses.

The benefits seem obvious — conserve energy, cut pollution, job creation and an emergency evacuation alternative in case of terrorist attack or natural disaster (Katrina).

Rolling stock could be built to government specs at U.S. auto plants (as was done with WW2 aircraft).

It would need national planning and coordination, but employ local labor.

It could be funded by a combination of special bonds (like the WW2 War Bonds) to enlist public participation, private investment (another bond issue) and a tax on gasoline (further cutting energy use).

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Jennifer said...

I have just added your blog to my "favorite" list. Your piece on Keynes and the spot we find ourselves in today is terrific. Thanks

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous oliversnit said...

For the poster who listed his "all I want from life" wish list, may I suggest you book a passage to the Planet Kumbaya. You can possibly hook a ride with the star ship Enterprise.

Come now, let's hold hands and visualize thru positive thoughts a better world where Al Gore ditches his suv; Obama his cigarettes; the DEMOCRATIC congress these friggin wars and universities that graduate morons in the liberal arts.

Our currency is bogus. Our economy produces almost nothing. Our economy is digital i.e. nonexistent in real terms. Our demographics are skewed in the wrong direction. We are not united in purpose; we are a balkanized "stupor" power.

Here, like DC, it is all rhetoric and just mixes of words. No one can utter the dreaded words such as depression, collapse, default, disaster etc.

I'm going to Disney World.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous John Lawrence said...

Hear, Hear, Mr. Reich. Solid words of wisdom. What is needed, as you say, is a sort of post-Keynesian Keynesianism: a restructuring of the entire economy and a restructuring of American life from blatant and exhorbitant private consumerism to a down-scaled consumerism combined with an enhanced appreciation of the commons: clean air, great public parks and schools, simplified lifestyles.

I consider myself to be in possession of an "embarassment of riches" since I own thousands of CDs and DVDs and have access to an almost unlimited number which I can record myself from various sources. When I think of how I strained to listen to half an hour a week of my favorite music throught the static, interference and weak signal as a teen-ager, and now I have unlimited access, it's almost embarassing.

Government needs to be the pump that progressively taxes the huge pools of money accumulated by the wealthy and recirculate this money from the bottom up placing a floor under the lifestyle of every citizen. This will maintain economic activity although not every form of economic activity is desirable. The most desirable kind is the kind that results in the feeding, clothing and housing of every American. The rest is optional to some extent. And I don't think we need worry about the "clothing" aspect any time soon. Thrift stores are filled with cast-offs for a pittance, many with high brand labels.

Americans need to change their value system and government needs to change its value system. Rather than using defense (a euphemism for war) to prime the economic pump, America needs to follow Japan and Europe and use spending on welfare (in the broadest sense of the word) as the pump primer. That is spending on the commons and protecting the commons. The commons includes the global warming issue, the energy issue, the infrastructure issue, the public school issue. If we can pull this off it will represent an enormous paradigm shift from the values of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and Reagonomics to the values of sharing, cooperation and frugality.

A restructuring of values and institutions is what is needed, and Obama is in the bully pulpit. After years of Republicans appealing to our baser instincts (greed), finally we have a chance to restructure American values and institions. We can no longer claim any privilege to consuming a percentage of the world's resources far larger than our pwercentage of the world's population. Conspicuous consumption should go in the trash.

Many good comments here and a fantasic post by Mr. Reich!!

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

Cas,

I like your idea for executive pay. I think that politican pay should also be linked to a ratio of median income. That's one way to make sure that our politicans remember who they are supposed to be working for, and to give them some incentive to lift the income floors of all Americans.

Some other reforms that could help: incorporate the ratio between top and bottom wage-earners into regional and national indicators of economic sustainability and health. That way, we'd get a more genuine measure of the health of the economy. To reduce the most extreme forms of inequality, the top marginal tax rates could be linked to a ratio of the median household income.

When I pay attention to what's not being discussed, and look at who Obama has chosen to head the economy, I worry that we won't see any meaningful reform. I've heard that since his days of cheerleading for deregulation, rationalizing polluting the air of poor countries that "don't need such clean air," and making light of the use of child slave labor globally, Larry Summers has changed his tune a little when writing about globalization. That would suggest a shift in thinking; however, I doubt just how much the minds and souls of those who have been spending decades working against the greater good can reasonably be expected to change. Then there's Geitner, who has his crony base to serve. Perhaps my concern is misplaced and they'll do a smashing job, but those are the appointments that have bothered me most.

60 minutes did a segment recently that is pretty scary. It's about the next mortgage disaster: the burst of the Alt-A bubble. The video is here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/15/second-mortgage-disaster_n_151293.html

Seeing that - and considering all that is crumbling right now - it's really hard to imagine how things can get any better in the coming years.

The New York Fed Web site has Excel spreadsheets up with data on subprime and Alt-A loans. The majority of the Alt-A loans were given without considering the income and assets of individuals seeking the loans. (See Column 36.) Also, the majority of the loans aren't set to reset for 24+ months (Column 57), which is troubling given that by then, the economy will likely be even worse. If the guy in the 60 minutes video is right and over 70% of those loans default, how in God's name can that mess be cleaned up?

(Might we really see Bushvilles dotting the landscape of the US?)

For the curious, here are links to the spreadsheets:

1) State-level Subprime Loan Characteristics, October 2008:
http://www.newyorkfed.org/regional/States_ABS_2008_10.xls

2) State-level Alt-A Loan Characteristics, October 2008:
http://www.newyorkfed.org/regional/States_AltA_2008_10.xls

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Reich (et al):
Sorry about contributing this again, but it very much supports your supposition:

There has been a "silent depression" in America.
• 1960’s Women having to move into the work force and out of their key family role = breakdown in core family structure, communications, values, guidance, etc.
• 1960’s America drops mental health programs & closes institutions = mentally ill on streets and in neighborhoods
• 1970’s Families forced into credit spending to maintain lifestyles = consumer debt, saving rates fall
• 1980’s Corporate America moving offshore with jobs = loss in corporate taxes, lack of good jobs,
• 1980’s Illegal immigrants start taking minimum wage jobs, many are paid under the table (gray economy) = loss of taxes, loss of decent wage increases
• 1980’s Countries infrastructure fell behind = more traffic congestion resulting in longer commutes = loss in family time, more expense
• 1990’s Longer working hours, jobs more competitive, more jobs offshore, we went from 8 hr days to 10 hr days to maintain affordable housing
• 1990’s Borrowing (spending) home equity to maintain lifestyle = current mortgage defaults (predatory practices by financial institutions)
• 2000’s Corporate America moves from defined benefit plans to 401ks = employee must become investment professionals to ensure retirement = low pension funding
• 2008 financial collapse – heroic government socialistic tactics to stay solvent, government comes to rescue financial system – Great Depression II starts – new world order mandated
• 2010’s Retirement age increases = Baby boomers must work until 70 or beyond
• S&L debacle 80’s, dotcom bubble 90’s, credit crisis 2000’s = lost investments and net worth, lower asset values, lower dollar, impending inflation
They say that "prisons are a reflection of society". Now in America, 1 out of 275 persons are in jail. The social-economic problems from the silent depression in America have contributed to crime, a sense of hopelessness, and lack of opportunity for many. There is apathy towards politics and distrust in government.
Many young kids today are raised with a disconnect to family (values) and education (opportunity).
I fear for America's future.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Corporations represent the base of capitalism. Over time they morphed from being owned by shareholders to be owned by management teams.
We would not be in this situation if shareholder rights, corporate governanace, and government oversight was in place.
Excessive risk, excessive pay, taxes aversion, outsourcing jobs, breaking unions. Management was somehow allowed to do anything to benefit themselves at the expense of degrading American life.

I am becoming depressed as I see a dismal future for myself and America.
I am looking for something to read that will adjust my attitude and prepare me for this new world.
Does anyone have a reading list that will help me cope and adjust my attitude with the new reality?
thanks,
Anonymous DWP

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Borrowing for public spending is very popular, and will probably come about. Refilling the till is not popular, and will be problematical. Essentially, it means replacing imported-borrowed goods/services with confiscated domestically produced goods/services.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

Anon,

Here are some that might keep your mind busy:

1. The Conquest of Happiness by Bertrand Russell

2. The Wisdom of Insecurity by Alan W. Watts

3. Status Anxiety by Alain de Botton

#1 always helps me ground myself when it seems there is no ground to stand on

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Doc:

Wow! Am never quite sure whether you conjure up posts based on what you believe will be or what you want to be. Whether you are brainstorming or, as a practicing educator, are seeking to provoke thought. Either way you do elicit responses.

Not being steeped in economics or in Keynesian theory but reading the Keynes quotes by one poster, my first question is what is the economic structure that Keynes envisions when he proffers his cures or hypotheses? Is he viewing a macro world as made up of individual countries, each with its own macro economy or is he viewing a global economy with multiple players at even more multiples of economic growth stages? My sense is the former since to a great extent that was the world he viewed. Granted there was a lot of importing and exporting but much of that was between the haves with only enough going to the have-nots to keep them afloat. That's not today's world.

I envision a plate of jello where if you press hard on one side the other side expands. We have been experiencing significant pain from globalization for a decade or so as regards capital flows(the jello). Resurrecting our economy only to be faced with less consumption would appear as pressing really hard on the jello.

I'm not suggesting that your premises are wrong. On the contrary you are likely spot on. But the problems created in your new world are horrendous. Per Silverfox, less consumption will lead to less production will lead to less jobs will lead to lesser consumption and on and on. Spirals can be difficult things to stop.

Granted government can fill some voids. We can invest in infrastructure, creating jobs, but to a great extent those will be targeted jobs to a small segment of the workforce. Yea, we'll see suppliers adding jobs to fill orders and more accountants will be needed to tally the results but, to my mind, that will be a few micro multiplier benefits. In the grand scheme of things, infrastructure improvements and repairs are not a long term solution. If the repairs are done correctly, given our propensities, not likely, most of the bridges and roads will be in good shape in a decade or so. Then what? We insulate all the homes? We put solar panels on every building? We convert parking lots to scenic nature reserves? All possible but we're focusing on, mostly unskilled labor for those. Where's the beef?

Green jobs are promising but other areas of the industrialized world are far ahead of us in those venues, often at cheaper labor costs.

Surely part of this increased emphasis on government spending should be in increasing unemployment compensation bringing us more on par with European practices. A vital and good idea. Now I'm not one of those who believes the general economic theory that higher unemployment benefits are a disincentive to work. However, if I have unemployment benefits for a couple of years which are 70% of my previous pay and the only jobs I can find require a 50% pay reduction from my previous earnings, "I know not what course others may take, but as for me.......".

I don't disagree that we need a more progressive income tax but Obama's proposal is far short of the progressiveness we need. To offset the increased government spending a 40% max rate ain't gonna get it. Even if we were to return to a top rate of 90%, at a certain income level, we're targeting a very small proporation of taxpayers. More than likely taxes will need to rise on much of the "middle class" as well. Less production will also lead to fewer absurdly paid executives.

Back to jello; Much of Southeast Asia is striving to achieve the American dream. China is attempting to increase consumption within its own populace. If consumption rises in much of that area, capital will flow to that area. Africa looms as the next, huge, frontier of capital investment. They've got a long way to go to get their houses in order but capital seeking a home can work wonders.

We have seen in Japan, and other emerged economies, labor rates getting closer to par with the US (the gold standard?). China is beginning to experience rising wages and we see industries moving to Vietnam. Similar pressures are being seen in India. There remain vast numbers of real poverty stricken people all over Asia simply awaiting their turn.

Much can happen to discourage former workers in the US from seeking employment, as we see in the real unemployment numbers. Discouraging profit making takes sterner stuff. Capital, in search of profitable returns, will always seek the path of least resistance and today we have paths running all around the globe.

Given your scenario, and the probability that you are more right than wrong, at least on the consumption model, weaseldog is appearing prescient.

For those, including me, who want a return to a strong "middle class". Do we not need to analyze and define what it was that determined "middle class". What incomes? What level of material possessions? What savings? What options? Could it be that "middle class" is relative and tomorrow's "middle class" looks eerily similar to today's poverty stricken?

Reading your blog and the various postings, it is not hard to understand why it's called, "The Dismal Science"

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Anonymous DWP:

Forget reading, alcohol is the real answer. Doesn't cure anything but after a few you don't give a damn.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger CrankyOleBroad said...

Next on my reading list is "Give Me Liberty - A Handbook For American Revolutionaries".

Can't say if it will adjust my attitude or not, but I expect it to be very interesting.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger CrankyOleBroad said...

Art - you are a dangerous man! lol

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

No, no, Art - Anon wants to read! Besides, we would all be smart to stock up on some good scotch and wine and SAVE IT in case we need it for barter at some point. ;-)

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger steve said...

job-wise we need to think about what we can sell to the world. and what is sold needs to be "real" and not some service or new bond scheme.

what's the product that identifies USA? one USA can lead in? is it still space with others there now too? is it computers with others there now too?

are we only good at building weapons?

why not task the country, as a jobs program with a payback on the scale of the moon race to develop the next big industry?

strong corporations continue to push themselves this way. except USA doesn't seem to do this. and today we see the result of this lack of leadership.

i feel a big push for design, development, and production world sales in medical equipment, energy methods, and transporation schemes can be done by USA and manufactured in USA.

we should work on the best artifical hearts, kidney's, eyes that can replace eyes, limbs. let china make chairs. we need to lead the world in the next future products.

but who's working on these areas?

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Ted Harvey said...

Robert I find much in common on what you say, and with what the author Oliver James ('Affluenca') said at a talk a few months back. He also pointed up how the international data shows that in the likes of the USA and UK economies the average couples' quality of life real terms have hardly improved, since the 1970s.

He explained, like you, that the wives have gone out to work, both partners have hard to work longer and harder and their employment status ans security has typically declined over the period. Meantime the 'core values' of life such as family and community have been significantly displaced and/or devalued (remember UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and her "There is no such thing as society").

I would add another Oliver James's factor to your own take... the undedifying and worrying reality that through all of this same period the very well off and the rich have extracted more and more wealth to themselves. I believe that this is about to become a major cause of grievance and perhaps even social instability should the recession deepen (and even become recession?).

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Cranky:

Danger is in the eye of the beholder. ;)

I am, however, a barrel of fun.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Angry:

To each his own I guess.

I have found that alcohol and reading don't mix well. Somehow the words start moving and soon the eyes shut down and sleep, blessed sleep, descends, and all is well with the world for a time.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Angry:

Save alcohol? My God! That's blasphemous!

Alcohol is to be nurtured, savored, tasted and enjoyed. For years women were a viable substitute but at a certain age, options become limited.

Besides, alcohol goes great with cigarettes and the combination tends to make all problems look short term.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Oberon said...

.....you have been invited to join globalove think tank.

www.globalovethinktank.blogspot.com

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Excentrik said...

Everyone's homework assignment is Purdy's "For Common Things".

It is an excellent, well written, collection of essays by a young man at the time it was written.

I very much agree with your analysis and had made a similar one on my own.

The big issue will be changing American "exceptionalist" thinking. Rugged individualism eventually destroys or maims itself in the long term. Just a fact.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous st.louis.mook said...

I just read the questions submitted by the Congressional oversight committee for economic stabilization. They all seem reasonable and generally obvious. What is wrong with our government that these questions weren't asked and answered before the money was made available? It seems like congress asked fewer questions than a sub-prime lender. How cn we change the process to get reasonable representation in our government?

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

Art,

Oh, I was just trying to be funny. Drink and be merry! Have to say, you're lucky that you don't live in NY. The state increased the sales tax on cigarettes last summer. A pack is over $6 here. And just yesterday, Gov. Paterson made a dick move (which totally killed the possibility that I'll vote for his "re-election") by signing a law that imposes a cigarette tax on Indian reservation sales. He used every imaginable rationalization for it (i.e., he's just trying to collect taxes on goods sold to NY residents; he's doing it for the health of the state; etc.), but what he really did was attack the sovereignty of the Indian nation so as to confiscate their wealth. As if we haven't taken enough from them . . . .

Good question about the "middle class." Most people use the term loosely and don't define what they mean. Usually, statisticians define the middle class as either the 20 percent of households in the middle of the income distribution, or the 60 percent who are in the middle. Using census data from 2006, the two income ranges would be $38,000-$60,000 and $20,000-$97,000 respectively. Note that those numbers are based on all types of households combined: married, unmarried, single female head, single male head, single person. (Median household income for 2006 was $48,201; also based on all types of households combined.)

I'm not sure how one would go about objectively measuring middle class by looking at material possessions. But I think the safest bet would be to ask people about their comfort levels since class is very subjective and often based on lifestyle/what people are used to having.

The most equitable we've ever been as a country in terms of the distribution of income was in the post-WW2 years. (Not surprisingly, unionization helped. In 1945, 35% of our workers were represented by a union; that was the high point for unions.) Between 1949-1979, real family income grew for all segments of society. The bottom 20% (earning up to $7,000) saw their income grow by 116% from 1949-1979. The second 20% ($7,000-$13,000) had their income grow by 100%. The middle 20% ($13,000-$20,000) grew by 111%. The fourth 20% ($20,000-$29,000) grew by 114%. The top 20% ($29,100 and up) saw their income grow by 99%. And finally, separating out the top 5%, their real income grew by 86%.

What happened after 1979? We grew apart. From 1979-2003, the bottom 20% of households (earning up to $24,100) saw their real income decline by 2%. The second 20% ($24,100-$42,100) saw their income grow by 8%. The middle 20% ($42,100-$65,000) had their income grow 15%. The fourth 20% ($65,000-$98,200) has their income grow by 26%. Those in the top 20% ($98,200 and up) had their real income grow by 51%. And those in the top 5% ($170,000 and up) grew by 75%.

What about household wealth? Here's a 25 year example:
In 1976, the top 1% of families owned 22% of household wealth in the US; bottom 99% had 78%. By 2001, the top 1% had gained another 1/3 of the wealth pie: they held 38% of the wealth, the bottom 99% held 62%.

The stats I have for stocks and mutual funds are from 2001. The bottom 50% of households owned 1% of stocks and mutual funds. The next 40% owned 15%. The next 9% owned 41%, and the top 1% owned 43%. That doesn't look like a "democratized" market to me. (Keep in mind that less than 40% of households owned stock worth $5,000 or more.)

One more set of numbers, this time about the minimum wage:

The living wage is the amount needed to bring a family of four to the federal line of poverty.

In 1968, the living wage was $1.71 and the minimum wage was %1.60, which means the minimum wage was 94% of the living wage. By 1979, the living wage was $3.56 and the minimum wage was $2.90; min. wage was 81% of the living wage. By 2003, the living wage was $9.04 and the minimum wage was $5.15, or 57% of the living wage. Just looking at that little sliver of economic data, it's no wonder that folks have had to deplete their savings and put the most basic of necessities on credit. That's just one reason why I think that people are insane who think that the economy will hum happily along once it is "corrected." What wealth ordinary Americans have is in their homes and in their savings. Oops, they lost their homes and savings? And jobs?

Let us all hope that Obama surrounds himself with a few Robert Reich's. Otherwise, we're doomed for good.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Angry:

You are one impressive lady. Knew you were joking, as was I. I revere almost nothing and no one in this life other than humor.

Was basically familiar with the numbers you posted and revisiting them only increases the desire for a drink.

NY is not alone in milking smokers and drinkers for more tax revenue. Conservatives have made state politicians, even democrats, so gun shy about raising taxes that they go after those sin taxes because there is less resistence. Next up on choices are sales taxes. Surely fair because everyone pays them, right? God forbid the idea of raising income taxes, especially the higher rates should ever be mentioned on the floor of a state legislature.

I remember the days when you could buy cigarettes from a vending machine and I said that if cigarettes ever go to fifty cents a pack I'm quitting. Then it was seventy-five cents, then a dollar. At that point the vending machines disappeared and seemed to take my price resistance with them.

Do agree with your condemnation of taking more money from the Indian nations. It's an old American habit that apparently dies hard. Of course they do have all that wealth resulting from the monies we gave them for their land. 3 or 400 years later and we still can't come to grips with viewing them decently. In many respects we are a disgusting culture.

I truly admire Dr. Reich and enjoy his blog posts and all the commentary but if you look over his posts of the last few months I'm not sure he has any idea of what will cure our ills going forward. Although he states many things as assertions, I seem to see invisible question marks throughout.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous MikeR said...

"What we most lack, or are in danger of losing, are the things we use in common – clean air, clean water, public parks, good schools, and public transportation, as well as social safety nets to catch those of us who fall. "

Do we really have a lack of clean air in this country? If anything it has gotten cleaner. Remember that hole in the ozone layer? Gone! Perhaps if we get more money into the hands of politicians like Charely Rangel or Blago the clown, we can finally get more publich parks.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous BMW said...

Tough Times Never Last but Tough People Do was the name of a book written by American televangelist, Robert Schuller (founder of the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, California, and the Hour of Power program), to help Americans cope with the early 80’s recession. It was published around 1983.

It’s much easier to understand and of greater value to the masses then anything J. Keynes wrote.

I mean no disrespect to the legend History writters made -but if you actual read J. M. Keynes own words you have probably fallen asleep before you'll ever figure out his point. Thank god for Cliffords Notes.

Lets just say Winston Churchill who I could understand had a clear understanding of Keynes.

Winston Churchill was quoted as saying: "If you put two economists in a room, you get two opinions, unless one of them is Lord Keynes, in which case you get three opinions."

Still Dr. Reich's combination of J. Keynes Economics, T. Veblen -The Theory of the Leisure Class and J. Galbraith's - The Affluent Society wrapped in a "Think Green" Theme blog is brillant.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger M.G. said...

If the only logic we have is the one of a dead economist, economists are not in a good shape. Is your friend now a Nobel Prize?
If we could only forget Keynes and died economists for some time we would be better off and more forward-looking.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous silverfox said...

Art:

In your latest comment you conclude by saying of Robert ,you are "not sure he has any idea what will cure our ills going forward", and refer to the "invisible questions ..throughout" his postings.

Here we are in total agreement. Robert Reich , along with a few millions others eager to solve the financial crisis, rush forward with cures before obtaining a thorough understanding of what the actual illness is. I suspect the result of an education that focused too much on economics and too little on history, particularly the social and political history of the past couple of hundred years.
Too many of us are like computers programed to solve a complex problem but also programed to reject the correct answer because it may be politically difficult to achieve. So we go round and round and round forever, argueing who has the most correct of all the incorrect answers.

At some point in time we will have to face the fact that a balance is needed between wealth production and wealth distribution in ways that prevent the disintegration of society as we presently know it. America will not tolerate ten or twenty million permanently unemployed and poverty stricken folks. Passivity and fatalism are not American traits. In other words, we need to do whatever is necessary to have less really very rich people and less really very poor people. But not likely the very rich people will go along with that, so that answer is the one the computer must reject.
I am not a believer in socialism, it relies too much on placing blind trust in a new breed of masters. But we do need to reinvent free market capitalism in a more democratic way that eliminates the unacceptable excesses and perhaps even promotes a more modest set of aspirations and values for our citizens. But first we need to get past the blame game, disabuse ourselves of dreams of ancient political beliefs of benign leaders, and strive to understand the hard core functions of our modern world and what is wrong with it.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous Donna Conroy, Director said...

The logic of your mind is a relief in today's world!

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Kraven said...

I'm afraid it's not as simple as a progressive income tax. Being honest, this mess began with the guns and butter idea after that, Nixon deflated the dollar by 10% took us off the gold standard and Reagan came up with 401k wiping out pension plans played with the unemployment numbers busting unions
funny booking to off from there.
Unemployment numbers only tell a small part the true figure
back in 1932 we didn't already have the entitlements we have today which we now can't afford
we didn't owe trillions
What we are now unavoidably headed towards will make the great depression look not really that great unless thing change drastically ( Obama) lowering mortgage interest rates (Federal mandate) to 3% instantly giving homeowners hundreds of dollars a month ( we are in serious trouble)
Treasury Sec'y O'Neil said the drop in the value of the dollar was a good thing (????????)
Our current President said
" Outsourcing was good for America"


see our problem

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger Esther said...

Yay for your post and its discussion of too muchness.

I would like to propose, in light of your comments in another post about popular mistrust that perhaps we are all overlooking something, and that is the impact of size: big banks, big corporations, big governments, The World Bank -- they have the power to wreak terrible things with decisions made by relatively few people.

What if we invested the huge amounts of money that are clearly necessary in light of our current economic mess in pilot projects at local levels so that we could all learn from them on the one hand and, on the other hand, the impact of the failure of one wouldn't be so huge? People's trust might be stronger in manageable, accountable projects run in their communities by people they can actually see. AND we would be spending the money and perhaps, just perhaps, developing greener ways of doing things.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Anonymous BMW said...

Donna Conroy

Thanks for tell America about the H-1B discrimination crimes.

I know a lot of American born IT workers young and old who have lost their job do to discrimination and the BS labor shortage cover story.

Tuesday, 16 December, 2008  
Blogger CrankyOleBroad said...

Angry - thank you for these numbers:

The stats I have for stocks and mutual funds are from 2001. The bottom 50% of households owned 1% of stocks and mutual funds. The next 40% owned 15%. The next 9% owned 41%, and the top 1% owned 43%. That doesn't look like a "democratized" market to me. (Keep in mind that less than 40% of households owned stock worth $5,000 or more.)


This is what makes me laugh when people say we are all stock owners through our pension plans.

That's like throwing me a bone and telling me it's steak.

Wednesday, 17 December, 2008  
Blogger Kitara Media said...

Bob,

This reversion to the mean has more to do with baby boomers retiring and stopping buying than purchasing power. The Average 60 Year old man, has a house, that should be fully furnished, mostly paid off and a car thats fully paid for... this is the engine of the post war boom, and that engine is finally disengaging the drive train and is starting to coast... I believe its really that simple.

Wednesday, 17 December, 2008  
Blogger devilfutility said...

"the rest of the world will not allow American consumers to continue to use up a quarter of the planet’s natural resources and generate an even larger share of its toxic wastes and pollutants."

What does that mean? how are they going to stop it? If you mean that they will catch up in wages or that our wages have decreased and won't come back that's fine. If you just mean that super smart European Mercedes Benz driving liberals are going to say to us dumb Americans that we are bad and can no longer keep consuming that is ridiculous. My guess is that producers will produce so long as someone consumes.

Thursday, 18 December, 2008  
Blogger socrates said...

The problem with capitalism is that it eventually reaches _in a finite area_, Malthusian limits.
And our planet is very finite, not mention fragile.
Contrary to corporate wishful thinking, there are "no ever expanding, infinite" goods/resources to be exploited. There are no "ever-expanding, infinite" number of markets/buyers of produced goods. That's the existential reality you and I inhabit.
Unless we generate an intelligent, thoughtful, humanistic _capitalism_ based on rewarding conservation and recycling, we will have reached an end of (capitalist) history.
Capitalism "works" in a large planet with limited populations and near-infinite resources in proportion to those limited populations.
Five hundred years ago proto-capitalist Europeans came up with a plan for the "New World": wipe out the Bronze Age natives who never had the science or initiative or necessity to invent gun powder or work iron, thereby extending human depredation of finite resources for a few hundred years in the American continent.
Naturally, science and technology can increase agricultural yields and make marginal land arable, but even these reach Malthusian limits. The parable of Jesus feeding the masses with fish and bread from a couple of baskets is good mythology, bad science, and even worse as an ideology. Yet, that seems to be the on-going promise (and unspoken premise) of our current market ideology, that "science will feed everyone, anytime."
Water and necessary resources are mal-distributed. Decisions for "wise-allocation" of resources are handed over to for-profit corporations.
Mr. Reich does not take his argument far enough. This is the end of corporate capitalism, who are we kidding?
The Wall Street parasites--who produce nothing tangible but are mere paper brokers and gamblers-- may have cornered "liquidity" but they have yet to corner anyone's ability to plant a victory garden and a few fruit trees in his front and back yard.
Consumer goods? OK, in an infinite, elastic planet where there's also plenty of discretionary income. Today there appears to be neither.
Most folks out there (the under and un-employed) are worried about jobs, cash ("liquidity," the _ultimate_ commodity) and how to put food on the table.
Mr. Reich, good start, though.

Thursday, 18 December, 2008  
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