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Monday, January 05, 2009

Stimulate the Economy by Mending Our Safety Nets

Lots of talk this week about the proposed stimulus. One high priority ought to be the most vulnerable members of our society. The safety net created in the 1930s to protect Americans from extreme poverty is in tatters. Now that we’re in the worst downturn since the Depression, that safety net needs mending. This should be a key part of any stimulus plan.

Unemployment insurance, for example, was created in 1935, when most people who lost jobs had held those full time positions for some years. But most people who are losing jobs now have not been in them all that long. Typically, the last ones hired are the first fired. And many job losers have only worked part time.

Either way, they don’t qualify for unemployment benefits. In fact, fewer than 40 percent of people now losing their jobs qualify. So a necessary step toward mending our safety net is to get unemployment benefits to everyone who loses a job. And if it's a part-time job, partial benefits.

Or take welfare. Remember it? It was also started in the depths of the Depression. We officially abolished it in 1996, during the strongest job-creating recovery in memory. We substituted a new law that gives people a maximum of 60 months in their lifetimes to get aid for themsleves and their kids. Over the last dozen years, as more and more people hit that 60 month limit, the nation's welfare rolls naturally declined -- even though the percent of families in poverty stayed roughly the same, just under 10 percent.

But now that we're in a Mini-Depression, many more families are moving toward poverty. So that 60 month limit should be lifted, at least until the economy turns up again.

Food stamps are another strand of the safety net. As of September, 2008, a record 31.5 million Americans were receiving them. That's roughly 10.3 percent of the population, each receiving $100 per month per family member. These numbers can be expected to rise considerably in 2009 and 2010. The current economic emergency is putting many more Americans at risk. Food stamp allocations should be increased.

Finally, let's make the Child Tax Credit fully refundable. Right now, it's not fully refundable to low-income families who don't pay enough income taxes to qualify. As a result, an estimated 10.6 million children were ineligible for it in 2007, and an additional 11 million received less than the full amount.

Giving American families more economic security during this meltdown isn't just fair. It's also good policy, because the money they get to buy goods and services keeps other people in jobs. In fact, strengthening our national safety net is one of the fastest and most direct ways to stimulate the economy.

And, after all, if executives and directors on Wall Street and in Detroit deserve a safety net, why should American families be left out in the cold?

82 Comments:

Blogger David said...

I couldn't agree more. I'm glad that you continue to advocate the expandion of other essential social systems, as you did back in "Shall We Call It a Depression Now?", when you advocated spending stimulus dollars on "elder care, hospital, child care, welfare, and countless other services". Elderly and other special needs groups are being stressed particularly hard now, as was said elsewhere in "Policy for Financial Crisis Should Target Those Most in Need".

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SawdustTX said...

While I certainly agree, I just wonder where the money will come from to fund all of this. The tax base is dwindling and we can't print and borrow and print and borrow money forever.

Oh wait! We could stop funding the Pentagon! I wonder how many people you could feed with what it costs to build an aircraft carrier (that we don't need)?

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You point out the classic economic argument among societies:
How much government spending goes into making plows and how much goes into making swords?
Our military forces are now really an extended social network for many poor wanting to work.
Most of our military personnel did not join the armed forces because they want to kill people or because they are afraid that commies will come over to America to kill them. Most of our military joined because there are no jobs in America and the government will take care of them over their entire lifetimes.
All they have to do is sit in a foxhole and keep their head down for a 2 year stint and Uncle Sam will watch over them until they die.
The republican NeoCons are a war machine and have allowed corporations to pull jobs out of America while giving the rich tax breaks for their investments into these corporations.
Most Americans don’t want the handouts, given that there are only a few other choices such as the minimum wage service jobs, keeping a few out of poverty.
WE NEED JOBS… NOT MORE SOCIAL SYSTEMS MANAGING HANDOUTS.
Anonymous DWP

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Seve said...

apparently we can print money like mad for wall street & auto bailouts but not regular people?

at a minimum people might simply sleep better knowing the have SOME floor to fall on before the dirt floor.

and i agree - decrease military spending!

i switched jobs from another aerospace company about 6 months ago. i couldn't stand working on products that to me had no "real" market (besides military) and i contend no "real" military threat either.

skipping the details, we were funded several million to develop products that would make you go "huh?" when you understand what they are trying to do with these new products.

to me this is money spent on a zero return investment even if i did have a job from it.

that same few million on busses would surly help better if the intent is simply a jobs program.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Seve said...

money spent on "swords" is well spent. money spent on some weird schemes of keeping the swords clean and pretty for many years, then only produce enough for say 0.00001% of the swords in th emilitary isn't money well spent.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

I'd indeed like to see bridges repaired so they don't fail, but I'd say NO to building more roads that only the road builders benefit from.

Better, the government should subsidize ALL employers to the tune of 50% of ALL "new" employee's wages. That way only needed jobs will be added, and everywhere rather than to a few high-rollers.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for raising your voice on these matters when it seems there's no lobby for regular ole citizens--as opposed to rich CEOs.

Hope that you add mention of the self-employed who also are not eligible for unemployment benefits. Many people talk about small businesses, but I wonder what percentage of those are actually self-employed individuals like myself who create our own income streams.

Applied for positions after got a PhD, but there seems to be an age-ism thing going against older folks making a career change. I've been doing freelance work after working for peanuts as an adjunct professor!

My main client ran into trouble in the third quarter and all work dried up in the fourth. I had savings to last me the last 3 months, but am scraping the barrel right now. Have been sending out resumes right and left but doesn't seem to do much good.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Under The Radar said...

Mr Reich - Food Stamps and Jobless Benefits, in my way of thinking, are different category. The Jobless benefits are under unemployment Insurance. Bought and Paid For. The food Stamps - seems like people can do some kind of work for them, pick up trash, something, but no free lunch.

The military - the budget cuts are already here, in the form of the easiest way to cut overhead - personnel. And it's coming in the way of decreasing much needed training, and personnel numbers (eventually). The maintenance costs of keeping the swords shiny won't go away. And keeping your head down for 2 years, doesn't mean Uncle Sam watches over you, not even a little. Just means you have to learn something else.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Comrades,

Click here and discover the quantitative facts regarding the latest lies from your Messiah.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

Folks, please excuse SBVOR. He doesn't think the economy is bad at all, and Bush's tax cuts really did add jobs.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger ajbowles said...

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Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger ajbowles said...

I disagree with improving welfare benefits; it needs to be further regulated. The State of Minnesota has just discovered that more than half of welfare funds are being spent out of state - with a hand full of purchases occurring in the state of Hawaii (the average airfare to Hawaii is around $800). If one seeks welfare, it should be spent in state and only apply to specific services (not vacations to Hawaii).

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Seve said...

here's a big red tape nightmare, but Ajbowle's comment would have been controlled the way our college did their food line in the dorms.

we had a choice of 5-2, 5-3, 7-2, 7-3 meal plans. we had simple bar code reader cards that slipped into a reader to confirm we didn't eat all day and all week with only a 5-2 meal plan.

something similar could be used at grocery stores for food stamp use. out of state use doesn't work. perhaps even WAY upstate if my home isn't less than 2 hours from there.

they could be refillable cards like gift cards.

damn i wish i was in the gift card business or i could lobby this idea!

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jack Lohman said...

I agree, AJ. Work-for-welfare. Sweep streets, shovel snow, work in non-profit nursing homes. Do something, just work. I heard just yesterday that the average unemployed person spends just 40 minutes per day looking for a job.

But as well, the best bailout of all would be a Medicare-for-all system that would save every employer $6500 per year per employee. If taxpayers are going to bail out anybody, it should be the health care system.

See "Medicare-for-all is best corporate bailout…" at
http://tinyurl.com/9d6bx9

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

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Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Steve said...

why split hairs over how bad it is? when the boat is sinking, who cares exactly how much water we're sitting in?

pass out the life vests. this one will be a wet one!

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger dasht said...

Where's the structural reform, Dr. Reich?

A fine example would be healthcare. We obviously need a safety net for healthcare that covers everyone, better. Yet, we can not afford that unless the administrative overheads of healthcare are lowered -- people in the various health-related professions need changes in their job descriptions all up and down the line, with many administrators redefined as "redundant".

The hard question seems to me to be not whether we should repair our safety nets (of course we should) but rather how we can bring about structural reform in basic, life-essential industries to make the safety-net affordable. What's the logistical plan, here, for rapid reform of the healthcare industry?

Similar questions can be asked of food and shelter and basic transportation.

We're not missing a will to help people in need. What we're missing is affordable ways to provide. People are naturally (and arguably quite rightly) resistant to going all out to restore welfare, etc., when the cost basis of basic needs is so high. We need to fix that cost basis.

-t

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can mend our safety nets by one obvious means that doesn't require a single penny.

If you cease and desist the importation of millions of new immigrants you might leave a few jobs for the rest of us.

One million new immigrants means one million American jobs lost.

The strategy of 'saturate the labor market' used by the right wing seems to be a concept all but lost in the economic arguments put forth today.

Since people are working to more advanced ages, we will see less attrition due to retirement. With the massive layoffs, I also see no need for additional 'labor 'stimulus'.

-Just my two cents

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be good to see some statistical data on the number of self employed in the US today.

Like many people I went the self employed route in the 90's and it worked quite well until I had serious health problems. Even with excellent health insurance my personal finances and business were all but wiped out.

So with little savings and not much in the way of new business I'm economic road kill. Sadly I think I'm not an exception. The new administration must look at this situation.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Steve, I agree. The boat is clearly sinking. The nation continues to be depleted of its manufacturing base. Communities here in Florida are riddled with empty, foreclosed homes. My nephew lost his job, his home, his car, his health insurance, and it's a pattern being repeated all across the country. Over 500,000 families every year go bankrupt due to health related problems, and half of them have health insurance (that was insufficient to cover their needs). Jobs are being lost at a pace of 100,000s per month. Debt is skyrocketing. State budgets are busted, and states are selling off pubic infrastructures to multi-national corps to raise much needed capital. Despite all these problems, and many others, we still find ostriches running around declaring everything is fine. These people are mostly disaffected Republicans.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The State of Minnesota has just discovered that more than half of welfare funds are being spent out of state - with a hand full of purchases occurring in the state of Hawaii (the average airfare to Hawaii is around $800). If one seeks welfare, it should be spent in state and only apply to specific services (not vacations to Hawaii). AJBOWLES

____

Absolute nonsese.

Food Stamps come in the form of a debit card that ONLY works in the state where it is issued as the store's registers have to tie into the state's records.

AFDC or whatever it is called these days is in the form of CASH. Most states use paper checks, a few may use the debit card. On a debit a charge will show up with the name and location of a business. Ever hear of 'buying online' or 'ordering over the phone'? A lot of Ebay sellers have their own credit card system and one calls them up and reads of the card number.

Heating and cooling assistance as well as rent assistance is paid directly to the provider.

Try again with the neo-con wacky right-wing 'welfare queen with a Cadillac and steak for dinner' lies.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Steve said...

"Cease and desist the importation of millions of new immigrants"

- Boy that one would be great, but VERY hard to see politicians pull off! There are a lot of votes to be gained by immigrant voters!

i mentioned in another blog reply of two electrical engineers brought in from india for 1/2 the price each of one USA engineer. the owners claimed he couldn't find any USA engineers.

yeah, not for half price!

And lets not get side tracked by that stretch of highway in south Arizona where the Mexico border is a simple 3 minute walk thru a little sandy pass…

Recent newspapers talk about also allowing illegal’s to get in state college rates. Meanwhile, there also is word that many HOME GROWN students will get bounced from their college acceptance because the schools can get more cash from out of state students...

But then out of state students yell UNFAIR to even PAY out of state fees yet allow an illegal in state rates?!?!!?!

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous silverfox said...

In the longer term it is necessary to establish policies that ensure a greater sharing of GDP growth among all participants in the economy. Currently, under the Reagan era 'supply side era trickle down' economics, the preponderance of all GDP growth is captured by a very small percentage of the population, those who might be defined as the very rich and/or very powerful, leaving the vast bulk of the consumer economy to be driven along by ever increasing amounts of personal and business debt by those not in a position to demand and receive a share of the GDP growth.

Massive Federal stimulus will temporarily drive the economy, but as soon as the stimulus stops, the economy will again consist of a majority of working middle class people with very little cash and the returning need for debt, while again all GDP growth will continue to accrue to the minority.

An initial step might be to index the minimun wage to some percentage of a mix of GDP growth and inflation, as determined annually by the BLS. This would create a 'bottom up' pressure to ensure some universal sharing of GDP growth throughout the entire economy.

A second and perhaps more significant but politically difficult policy is the use Federal Taxation policies to discourge corporations from rewarding top management with excessive compensation packages, while at the same time restoring to some degree the post WWII income tax rates on the highest income earners. The tax codes might impose regressive tax deductions as compensation goes up, so at some point there is no permitted deduction for compensation above some level, say, $5 millions a year. This way investors will have to accept that their managements' compensation comes directly out of a company's profit. They may still award higher financial rewards, but they must be able to justify those expenditures to the stockholders.

A collateral benefit of high Federal tax rates is it's dis-incentive to constantly attempt to raise personal income. In these circumstances greed ceases to be rewarded and other motivators soon take precedent.

At the same time the excessive reliance on debt can be discouraged by putting caps on the amounts of interest a lender can charge, thereby eliminating the potential to price in risk and forcing a more conservative approach to lending.

Such policies might appear radical, but fit in nicely with National goals previously established with the Employment Act of 1946 and the Full Employment and Balanced Growth Act of 1978.

There must be a rational balance to the functioning of a free market capitalist system that also must conform with the requirements of a secure and stable democracy. That will require we accept limits on the degrees of poverty and the degrees of personal wealth that the country can tolerate if we are to survive long into the future.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Under The Radar said...

Hawaii and Benefits - Main Industry is Tourism - I guess that's an Interstae Loophole for Benefits, save some cash, buy a ticket.
GREAT IDEA for the swipe card. GREAT IDEA about working for Unempolyment Benefits AND food stamps. NO FREE LUNCHES.
Health Care - Rep and Dems HAVE to get together - could be the number one and fastest growing problem in the country and being overlooked, because of overwhelming short term monetary difficulties. Health Care will deteriorate to the point where it may overtake our other problems within a year or two. REALLY tough problem.
So - since we have so much unused office space - 10 % nationwide,not to mention foreclosed homes- and people that need to be retrained, and homeless old people, and people on unemployment, that need to work, and don't need a free lunch, we combine the whole thing ?
Improve Housing for Homeless Old Folks, who have lost their homes, need Medical care, Train new nurses, and Train with the old Nurses ? Those that can't pass the basic entrance exam for the Nurse's test can sweep, or mow, or paint, or do the wiring, or whatever else they are already skilled to do, not to mention Security Guards.
Points - we need to take care of our elders. We need to take care of our fellows, we don't need gimmees, and we need to rebuild. And we need to see beyond the immediate horizon, for the next problem, not the 50 meter target.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Oldhistorian69 said...

I am glad for Dr. Reich's backing for a stronger and broader safetynet. I also agree with the writer who was noting the problem with the self-employed or independent business person who is faced with closing their business. I have the impression that an overly business friendly environment favored reducing and even eliminating programs because they weren't needed or were abused.
If a program is good and has money in it expect that someone will abuse it. Banks are still being robbed not counting the inside mismanagement. Work to reduce and counter the abuse to keep the program. We need thesed programs even in good times, let alone in hard times.
Government should work for the people, not merely for corporate interests and for the rich. Even some of the formerly affluent are hurting now.
We found to money to fight an unnecessary war with no relation to any vital American interest. The economy and the American people are a vital national interest right here inside the country.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger George Mattingly said...

Great column, Dr. Reich. Mending the social safety net is so much more important than the tax cuts being proposed as part of the fiscal stimulus. It seems that instead of listening to economists, our lame Democrats are listening to Mitch McConnell and John Airhead Boehner. In fact the Dems are bending over backwards to give them exactly what they want -- tax cuts. Which will either be used to pay down debts or be spent on more cheap crap from China at Wal-Mart. If Obama is concerned (as he should be) about making sure the stimulus has immediate effect, he should fund bankrupt state and local governments which will otherwise be laying off workers, closing schools, shutting down infrastructure projects, and slashing health care programs. Everyone should immediately protest the plan to devote 40% of the stimulus to tax cuts. Pandering to the Republican morons who dug this deep hole will not accomplish anything.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Under The Radar said...

dasht said...
Where's the structural reform, Dr. Reich?

A fine example would be healthcare. We obviously need a safety net for healthcare that covers everyone, better. Yet, we can not afford that unless the administrative overheads of healthcare are lowered -- people in the various health-related professions need changes in their job descriptions all up and down the line, with many administrators redefined as "redundant".

I'm agreeing with you and Lauren. Health Care, Health Plans, and Health Plans, is the most talked about, and least "fixed"problem we have as a nation, and in the world, in my opinion. I don't believe there is a good answer. What I do believe very strongly, is that within the current economic crisis, with so many people out of work, with so much "bailout" and "stimulus" money available; is that Health Care Recovery should be in the top 3 priorities, way ahead of Autos and Banks.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Oldhistorian69 said...

Health care reform would benefit everybody, employed, self-employed, small business, as well as help the people of this nation maintain better health.
When the welfare system is addressed it needs to have incentives to work. It may have some now but it had none some years ago. After my father died at age 43 with 6 children and 5 of them under 18 we learned of the benefits a a portion of the safetynet. It made possible my younger siblings going to college and and having a basic minimum of resources. However, there was room built in for each person in the family to earn money up to a limit each month. People will work when it pays them to work but don't expect them to be altruistic about making a hundred dollars but coming up 25 dollars short after taxes are taken out of the pay. Poverty is a strong simulus for most people to work and earn.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Note: I have completely rewritten the post I first linked to in this thread.

The revised post explains why.

The essence of the post remains the same (neither Obama nor his minions in the so-called Mainstream Media being honest with the public as to the relative severity of the present conditions). The conditions are bad. But, they are NOT as bad as we are being led to believe.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous t jefferson said...

For the last thirty years everything was directed to the Corporations. People thought the Constitution was written for, of, and by the Corporation. We can send pallets of hundred dollar bills on transport planes to Iraq, send all our manufacturing work over seas, and tell the middle working class that the trickle down theory will saves us. Well it hasn't worked... its time to let the trickle up theory work for about the next thirty years. Time to redirect resources back to the dying middle class.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous t jefferson said...

ajbowles said...
I disagree with improving welfare benefits; it needs to be further regulated. The State of Minnesota has just discovered that more than half of welfare funds are being spent out of state

What makes you think that people receiving food stamps travel. Did you or the State consider maybe they were sold for cash and someone else cashed them in. Send a link of your source.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Who was misleading who?

Until a few months ago President Bush and John McCain and ALL REPUBLICANS were repeatedly saying he economy was in good condition.

In the meantime, for years, Dems, and most non-affiliated economists have been saying the economy was steadily tanking and was unsustainable.

Now Republicans want you to believe that things aren't as bad as the media says, although just weeks ago these same Republicans were saying the economy was sound.

Republicans can't be trusted with statistics or basic honesty, They're the ones who till recently said things were find and dandy. They lied. Get over it.

If you are less than fifty years old and can't figure out this is the worst economic situation in your lifetime, then you are either lying or stupid.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

silverfox said : A collateral benefit of high Federal tax rates is it's dis-incentive to constantly attempt to raise personal income.

Not sure I'm reading that correctly, but I think that means you think that a progressive tax system discourages people from wanting higher personal income. Is that what you said?

If so, then I'd like someone to tell me at which point in history, when a progressive tax system was in place, did people stop trying to become millionaires?

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Speechless said...

I remember when Bush sent out his original $600 tax bonus --back in his first or second year in office -- our family, with two kids and me as a stay at home mother, didn't make enough income to qualify for the rebate. Boy did that hurt. I hardly had money to buy shoes for their feet, or take them to the shore for the day, and those mean spirited republicans hadn't the decency to give me a share of the pie. It really made me feel alienated from "my" country, and at the same time, too ashamed to complain.

Now the kids are older, I work and we make enough that we're just fine. But back then, the social safety net, tattered though it was, helped me to be there for my kids, by offering the CHIP program for their health care.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Jack,

The economy is bad enough without distorting the facts.

Judging by current unemployment data, it could be reasonable to say that the economy is in the worst shape since 1993.

Judging by one reputable forecast for unemployment maxing out at 8.3%, the economy MAY BE, IF one judges ONLY by that ONE metric, in the worst shape since 1983.

But, any assertion that the economy is in the worst shape since World War II (much less, since The Great Depression) is NOT supported by ANY properly normalized metric from ANY reputable data source..

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Lauren,

Until very recently, GDP data was holding up pretty well. Even the latest GDP data are far from alarming.

GDP forecasts only turned decidedly negative once it was clear that we were facing perhaps the most Far Left federal government since the disastrous days of FDR. Prior to that, those forecasts were calling for continued positive GDP growth throughout 2008 and 2009.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We've got thousands of federal and state safety-net programs already. The Fed and Treasury can't issue new money and new debt fast enough to pay for them as it is and taxpayers are tapped out. Our gov't needs to cut spending immediately, by cutting all these pork services.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jordan said...

Laureen
The biggest reason for that discrepancy between reps and dems is thier environment. reps usually live in richer subdivissions and grew up in it so they barely see problems growing in other communities. Some precentage of dems acctually come from poor neighbourhoods, for example Obama. They are more aware of economic problems their old friends face. and they are only ones representing unions.
I do believe that most republicans believe their own words, but that shows how dettached they are from real problems most people face. They just follow the statistics they are given. how alse can they phatom the complexity of lower class life, when all of congressman and senators enjoy communist doctrine: 'take as much as you need' they vote salaries to each other as much as they need. They do not suffer from economic downturns. How they could know whats going on in real time.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jordan said...

Yes unemployment bennefits are paid and should be secured. I was eligible to pay unemployment benefits for 11 years, and now when i needed that money back, when i claimed it i was not eligeble to receive it. After paying into it for 11 years, ammounts to about $20,000 i can not receive nothing back when i really need it.

How about that?

I was paying double tax as self employed for 7 years, into medicare, SS and unemployment and then personal tax. What did i get for that? nothing. I am somewhat special case, but doesnt prove nothing. If i paid i should receive it back, not to be prevented by some paper misshandling.

This would not happen in a socialist country (socialist=society)

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger ajbowles said...

It is unfortunate that "Anonymous" could not have been more tactful when addressing my comment - as requested, I have provided a source below. A simple Google search brought up many different Twin Cities newspaper articles addressing the problem. Neo-Con? I think not. I voted for Franken. I support Welfare, food stamps, and any other program that will help out those in need, but I think it is too easy to abuse the system right now. I say that we have had enough people abuse the system (Madoff) and we need to begin regulations.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger ajbowles said...

Alas, I almost forgot to provide my source! Here it is:

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/pressrelease.asp?pressid=2671&party=2&memid=10757

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

People who borrow heavily using credit cards think for a time they are doing great. Their GDP data (how many TVs they own, or what kind of gaming system they have) seems good and solid. They sit back in their lazyboy recliners, bought with a fifth Visa charge line, swig beer, and use their cheap china-made iPhones to tell their friends that their GDP data is cooking!

But eventually the bill comes due and suddenly the truth dawns upon them: Waaaaahhhh! But my GDP data was good. I don't understand! What happened? I had four more checks in my checking book, so of course that meant I had more money. Waaaaahhhhh!

The same thing has happened to the country under these last three Reaganomic decades.

While Republicans try to use smoke and mirrors and fool you with short-term factoids--made to seem good TEMPORARILY because of heavy borrow and spend policies--some people who aren't the daily guests of the corporate media are screaming and warning about the manufacturing base of the country being siphoned off to third-world countries, or the build-up of national debt (even as Bush/Cheney claim deficit spending isn't a problem), or the imminent collapse of the housing markets, or that mileage standards of US cars need to be increased even if the auto CEOs are fighting it in court with the blessings of the GOP.

While some honest folks try to warn about the disasters to come, the same people who run up the credit cards instead are screaming about flag-burners, or men who want to marry men (holy moly batman), or they wait until their sixth year in absolute power of all levels of gvmt before complaining about--here it is--illegal immigrants!

The Republicans sift thru their blessed GDP data factoids but don't tell you how the CBO forecast, eight years ago when the Bush tax cut proposals first came to light, that multi-hundred-billion annual budget deficits would result, which of course happened right on schedule.

Why didn't the GOP understand two months ago the economy was in danger? Why did John McCain and Bush both say the economy was sound, then a few weeks later say the opposite and that the economy was in danger? Why did they repeatedly resist the notion that we were in a recession when most ordinary people could FEEL WE WERE in one. Were they just stupid or lying?

If Republicans are telling the truth, then why was the cost of the Iraq War hidden from us and kept off the official budgets? Oh my gosh! Slap myself in the face! Could that be a lie too? No, trudy, it can't be!

Remember the one about Obama paling around with terrorists? Another lie.

Obama the Muslim? Lie.

Obama the Kenyan? Lie.

Or how about when Palin said she fought against the bridge to nowhere, when in fact, she supported it. Yes, a lie.

WMD? Lie.

Yellow cake? Lie.

Iraq's nuclear capability? Lie.

Aluminum tubes? Lie.

We didn't out Plame. Lie.

John Kerry lying about his Vietnam record? Lie.

China drilling off of Florida? Lie.

SADDAM WAS INVOLVED WITH 911. LIE

So I ask, What kind of TRAITOR continues to act as appeasers for these lying thugs and think they know what's going on better than someone as distinguished and learned and thoughtful as Dr Reich? Some people on this blog aren't even qualified to tie his shoelaces.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Jordan, yes, that explains why some repubs are like that, but not all repubs. Many working class, non-wealthy, people are repubs too. They have been lied to and/or angered about many issues: taxes, gays, guns, blacks, immigrants, abortion.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous t jefferson said...

ajbowles
Thanks for the link. You are surrounded by four states and Canada. That could be part of the reason for out of state spending.As far as spending in Hawaii they must be selling stamps to but coats and long underwear instead of eating. The 126 Tansactions or different accounts used on the Island that could be your Government officials going there and scaming the system.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Jordan said...

Lauren
Yes, some of the reps are nothing else but con artists while others are complacent, fearing for their own status. But you can say the same about dems but off course in different precentage. Dems are somewhat better, but mostly complacent. Others like Kucinich who openly protests all thievery in government is met with all other fearfull for theirr positions. Now that they have majorities, are they going to support Kucinich in his openly egaliterian justice chaising persona?
I would say they are going to continue as usual. They get luled in the system with their complacency.
But good thing is, dems are more fearfull of public, so it is up to us to make them do the right thing.
Another difference betweent dems and reps is in passion difference in who they fight for. Reps are usually fighting for their own bennefit from corporate lobbyists while dems are fighting mostly to benefit underclassed and defensless. Well i do not have to tell you what passion difference is when you act for yourself comparing to when you fight for someone else.

On the other hand lets take globalisation as it played a role in todays bad situation of unions and lowest class deterioation. It is clearly explained in 'Supercapitalisam'. What if dems cheat us into building a NAFTA superhighway from Mexico border to Canada under infrastructure stimulus package? It would be too late to stop it once it was legislated. It was in plans for last 20 years and infrastructure stimulus public approval would be a perfect screen for further globalisation.
2 years ago mexican trucks could not pass 25 miles from the border, they had to unload. I know i lived in Tucson. US border side is littered with warehouses needed to store products comming from Latin america by trucks. Guess what, that changed 2 years ago. Now truckers can drive trough US with no control. It was legislated under democrat watch.
Lauren please be aware. Even tough dems are much better then reps, but how much. I love George Carlins: "It is the speed with which politician fall on the floor once lobbyist enter the room, that separates dems from reps." The speed, not the fact that they all fall.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
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Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Lauren,

1) IF you care about substantiated facts from credible sources, click here and here to learn about Iraq, WMD and the various other equally important rationales listed among the 23 “whereas” clauses found on the Congressional authorization for use of force in Iraq.

In particular, click here and learn about the Yellowcake story which the New York Times forgot to tell you about.

I have all the goods on Plame, Wilson, Niger and yellowcake. I need only convert it for my current blog. Maybe someday.

2) President Bush NEVER alleged Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. I defy you to provide ANY evidence to the contrary. However, PBS and The New York Times DID publish such allegations. And, despite both sources now disavowing their story, NOBODY has EVER proven the allegations offered in this story to be incorrect.

The rest of your unsubstantiated (as always) assertions I just don’t care to take the time to bust (but I easily could).

So, will you examine the evidence? I’m betting you won’t.

P.S.) Funny how Mr. Reich allows you to call me a “TRAITOR”, yet has censored me at least twice in this thread (apparently for the crime of expressing my opinion). Unlike those who agree with Mr. Reich, I guess I’ll have to limit my posts to substantiated facts and skip the opinion part.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Blogger Bill said...

SBVOR,

You never skip your opinion.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Spencer said...

There are many comments on this blog talking about one of my favorite subjects: insourcing and outsourcing, and I am so pleased to see people finally waking up to this issue. For example:

"The strategy of 'saturate the labor market' used by the right wing ..."

Unfortunately, I have some bad news for you. Almost all politicians, both "right wing" AND "left wing" support shipping your jobs oversees, or the new & improved, politically correct version of H-1B programs where they bring the foreign labor market here to take your job via insourcing.

I spent a few hours this weekend gathering a list of all the politicians who support these policies here:
http://www.american-consensus.org/career_politicians/career_politicians.html. I was just getting started, by the time I'm thru researching I'm sure I'll have the entire congress and all the governors as well.

There is absolutely no question that most republicans support these traitorous policies, but I'm afraid nearly all democrats do as well, including our new savior, Obama. So there actually is no hope here - our only shot was to get Dr. Reich as president and we missed that one. Why he is not the labor secretary again is beyond me - we need him there now more than ever. Let me guess - he couldn't be bought like Obama was... he is simply too good a man to be a career politician. Dr. Reich, the only Clinton appointee that got away... ;-)

People, the deck is severely stacked against you with these corrupt "public servants" - ALL of them. So my advice would be to stop attacking each other and put your energy into attacking their support for these policies. DO NOT ASSUME that liberals are on your side!

You want change? Well you didn't get it with your beach hunk, at least not anyone in office who really gives a hoot about your future. From what I can tell Obama is just as sold out as Bush was.

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Angry Citizen said...

Dr. Reich,

I sure hope that you have Obama's ear, or at least have access to someone on his economic team (I'd imagine that you have some sort of collegial relationship with Christina Romer).

While it only makes sense to include provisions that will quickly stimulate the economy and lessen financial devastation, we all know that our leadership has a tendency to neglect doing things that make sense. As things stand, our friend, Paul Krugman is fretting about Republicans bringing on GD2 by dragging their feet on a stimulus package. It's not too difficult to imagine the variety of flavors that their opposition to expanding the social safety net could take. Already, Republican strategists are out in the media touting their line about giving government "handouts" to those who belong to the 40% who do not pay income taxes. (I wish that just once, a Democrat would challenge that statistic by asking why 40% "don't pay," asking Republicans to cite the salient demographic characteristics of those who don't pay, citing our regressive system of state and local taxation, or citing any number of structural reasons why more people don't pay the taxes that Republicans think they should.) If Obama were to recommend your suggestions of increasing the safety net tomorrow, the amount of screaming foul about entitlements by the GOP and their talking heads would be unbearable for at least a week. But I suppose that if Obama is willing to consider your proposal, he should bring it up asap so that some form of a debate can happen soon. Better to bring it up for debate now than in a month or two.

Anonymous DWP,

I generally agree with most of your posts, but here, I don't entirely. You may not need a "handout"; I do not (currently) need a "handout". However, we all need the people who do need "handouts" to get them and get them quickly. Jobs are certainly very important. We need those, too. But more layoffs are on the horizon, and as we're seeing, layoffs in this economy beget more layoffs. Folks just can't keep their jobs when fewer and fewer consumers have the ability to support those jobs via consumption. As all of the unemployed wait for jobs to become available, they need to have something to sustain them and their families, and we need something to quickly serve as a firewall for more layoffs. Obama's infrastructure spending can not be that firewall fast enough. Some projects may be ready to go soon, but it doesn't look like enough of them will be . . . certainly not enough to create jobs at the pace that we're losing them. (Even if the projects were all set to begin in a couple months' time, not everybody can do construction work.) A lot of the people who got us into this mess have been rewarded for their greed, negligence, and criminality to the tune of trillions. Turning our backs on those who are suffering as a consequence is the worst thing that we could do. It will be interesting to see if we as a nation can understand that fast enough to save ourselves. (What a shame it would be for history to record that the US slipped into GD2 because they ignored their poor and unemployed.)

Monday, 05 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally think handouts (that is, welfare) should only be given to those unable to support themselves with a basic salary, such as the elderly or disabled. However it is tough times and a little help between now and when we can get some jobs created with a stimulus wouldn't hurt. I imagine the upcoming tax cut stimulus will have somewhat of that effect. I'd say it should be a graduated scale, though, with 200,000/yr getting nothing back,
$50,00/yr getting $500 back and 20,000/yr getting $1,000 back, for example.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Under The Radar said...

Lauren - I agree with a couple of your assertions - but basically, we should have went after UBL and AQ, and finished them, and truthfully followed the trail. Now maybe we can. Saddam was a very bad guy, doing bad things, wouldn't you agree to that ? I do believe we could have done it differently though. However - there are others worse out there.
here's something I saw a while back, look at Stock Market Data for March 4, 2003. Greenspan wrote an Article either then ot in Feb 03, talking about how great the Housing and Refi Market was (and look where that one went) and Mar 03 is when we invaded Iraq. The Market was in a trough, and took off, until this past fall. So, which came first ? Oil prices, Stocks, or War ? Also please remember the Depression lasted until 1954. So, when did this one really start ? I don't think it was last year, cause my first interest rate when RR was in, 1985, was 12.5.
Spencer and Jordan - I agree with the two of you and want to add: NAFTA thoughts. I watch Lou Dobbs regularly, and I'm reading Independents Day. The NAFTA corridor will open up business, to a degree that we cannot handle even in the best of times, let alone now. If your in the middle of the country, it will engulf you. The 3 million Job program will only cover the Delta loss for the past year (1m growth and 2m loss) and any new growth will only be sucked up by the Corridor. Reps and Dems, and the American People are finally beginning to realize this as a Natl Security threat, let alone a Jobs and Economic Threat. We need to not only get the Corridor shut down, but reverse the tide of Illegal Immigration, push the current Illegal Immigrants out, and I believe this alone would put Millions of Americans back to work. Current out of works, would do the jobs. As old historian said, poverty encourages a work ethic.
My top 3:
1. Slow the Stimulus
2. Reverse Illegal Immigration
3. Health Care

And Dr Reich - how about throwing your hat in the ring for Sec Commerce ?

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Luz, Adelia's Closet said...

I know the aerospace business is kinda important (?) but I just can't see why we spend billions to find what's in space when we have people in this country starving and without health insurance. IS it really that important to be the first country in the planet to spend the most and gather pictures and samples from outer space?

Cutting the space program would save plenty to put back into the society they are trying to save.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Under The Radar said...

I forgot to Add - to put this in perspective - less than 5,000 American lives lost in Iraq since 2003.
5,300 Mexican lives lost in Drug Cartel War in Mexico in 2008. And it is intensifying. And California, and and I believe Arizona, just opened their borders up further.
They invited this mess in. I do not understand that.
This is a growing problem, in a Country we are friends with, and we do need to help them, and we are. We need to continue to do so, but in the manner we decide with them leading. But not inviting a fight into our living room.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger CrankyOleBroad said...

Steve said:

i mentioned in another blog reply of two electrical engineers brought in from india for 1/2 the price each of one USA engineer. the owners claimed he couldn't find any USA engineers.

yeah, not for half price!


Yes, it floors me every time Mr. Bush mentions "jobs that Americans won't do"........(for less than a living wage)

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Jordan, I agree with you. But look at that laundry list of Republican offenses I eariler mentioned.

Dems didn't, for example, in any way directly or indirectly mislead the nation into believing Saddam was involved in 911. That's a treasonous offense in my opinion. LYING ABOUT WHO ATTACKED US ON 911. To this day, Cheney maintains Saddam was involved in 911 though the 911 panel investigated all charges into that and disavowed any connection.

There is a stark and disturbing difference between Dems and Republicans today, and that's why I am a Democrat right now.

I was once a Republican, voted for Reagan twice. But then I stopped drinking the koolaid. I started checking so-called facts and started parting the veils of the myths (for example, the myth that Reagan destroyed the USSR). I started debating right-wing extremists. I started understanding how controlled the GOP was by extremists and how willing they were to lie and deceive.

Reagan was not as corrupt as either Bush. But he is the one who brought in these dangerous people and installed a dangerous economic philosophy which has utterly devestated us.

I'd estimate that about 75% of sitting Repubs are corrupt to the bone and the most powerful 25% are outright Nazis. I'd estimate that about 20% of Democrats are corrupt to the bone and the most powerful 5% are outright thieves. Just a personal estimate. I'd pick a few bumbling thieves over a warren of Nazis any day.

I like Kucinich, but he's a bit left-wing extremist on certain policies for me. For example, while I would like to reign in the US military and their budget and their influence, I do not want to unilaterally disarm the way Kucinich does.

I'm not the smartest cookie in the world. But I am honest, and I've done as much research on the issues here as ANYONE. I've debated 100s of right-wing extremists over the last two decades. I've read their so-called objective articles and tried to follow their twisted logic and parried their boldfaced lies.

I get my facts and news from as many disparate sources as possible. I am human and may make mistakes in my fact- or opinion-statements, but they are honest mistakes, not ideologically-driven ones.

I continually challenge my beliefs and opinions. I ask if I am being unfair on any given issue. I continually fact-check things I see or hear. I don't need to click on some whacko's blog for barely a second to know whether he is in fact a whacko and using suspicious data or links to scurrilous and unsubstantiated stories designed to assassinate the character of political opponents rather than get at the truth.

You can hit the right-wingers with fact after objective fact, example after example of the truth, and still they will lie through their teeth. This is because these extremists are one-issue ideologues. There's ONE issue, maybe two, that arouses their ire so much that all fact and logic disappears from their poisoned brain. Gays, guns, minorities, taxes, abortion. Those are the most common for right-wingers, and that's all they care about. A lot of my family members are right-winger. I know how they think. I know how inconsistent and unfair they are with facts and logic, how unreachable they are because of the poison of certain SINGLE-ISSUES that has seeped into and clouded their judgements.

There are whackos on both extremes. For example, the 911 truthers are as whacko as the Clinton haters. You can look at a movie like Loose Change for one minute and start finding errors in facts and know they are twisting reality. Takes but a second.

Same with most right-wing blogs and AM talk-show hosts. Liars all of them. They can't put together a cogent reason to vote for a Republican without lying. That's because they are so corrupt and have sold us out so much that the truth is damning.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

«wonder what percentage of those are actually self-employed individuals like myself who create our own income streams.»

In "professional" trades, "self employed" is a common euphemism for "middle aged without a job".

«Applied for positions after got a PhD, but there seems to be an age-ism thing going against older folks making a career change.»

Exactly as expected. Why should a company hired a "professional" like that when they can hire a freshly graduated youngster in China or India for much less?

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

Under the Radar, I agree with killing the corridor. I have some hope that will be done under Obama, but we'll see. If he does kill it, this will be proof of the difference between Dems and Repubs. Under Repubs, the corridor will not be killed, this is obvious.

Re' outsourcing of jobs..... Yes, Dems have been guilty in causing this as well as Repubs. But Dem prez candidates have indicated during the election they finally see the light. Obama and Hillary both said they will fix trade agreements, whereas McCain said there's nothing wrong with such things as NAFTA. Dems have opposed the Columbia trade agreement whereas Repubs want it. Obama pledged to examine outsourcing issues while McCain said we will never get our jobs back again.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Lauren said...

spencer said:You want change? Well you didn't get it with your beach hunk, at least not anyone in office who really gives a hoot about your future. From what I can tell Obama is just as sold out as Bush was

Well, I disagree. To see ONE recent example of how Obama will represent change, look at his CIA director nominee. Yes, Leon Panetta has been nominated by Obama to lead the CIA! Imagine that! For once, we won't have a dyed-in-the-wool spook or hawk leading the CIA.

Does anyone understand how important a change this is?

Does anyone remember Eisenhower's warnings about the military-industrial complex, and do you now see how Panetta's appt is an abrupt challenge to that threat?

Democratic establishmentarians like the Feinstein's and Rockefeller's are screaming bloody murder over this appointment. This is great! These people need to be run out of town ASAP. They are part of the problem. They are trying to maintain the status quo. Their pockets are deeply lined by DOD-originated profits, and as such they don't people like Panetta threatening their livelihoods.

Another change: Obama's election itself has already advanced the timetable for the complete withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Bush and Gates won't use the word timetable, but until Obama came on the scene there was no talk of leaving Iraq anytime soon. Now, with the reality that Obama was elected, Bush and Gates suddenly announced we will be able to leave sooner than expected.

Another change: GITMO will be closed by Obama.

Another change: Reasonably priced and genuine heath care will within a year or two be available to every American who wants it. I, for example, because of a few pre-existing conditions, CAN NOT get health care right now even though I can't afford it.

Another change: The stem cell ban is going away.

Another change: Science will take a place on center stage, not in the dark wings or in the shadows.

Another change: re-regulation of the housing and financial markets is coming back.

Another change already in the offing since Obama's election: predatory credit card practices are being corrected.

Change is happening so fast I am DIZZY. Let's just hope it goes far enough, because frankly, the neo-cons in both parties have screwed things up so badly that we need lots of change (about three decades worth).

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Jordan said...

Lauren
Our future and Obama's totaly depends on if can take control of inteligence agencies. They controled elections last 20 years. It was eary to listen to those tapes McCain published that clearly showed they were produced by spys, both in SFrancisco: Obama aout clinging to guns and religion, and Biden about Foreign chalenge in first six months. The quality of the sound and importance of the matter is clear indication that was spying product.
Miraculusly, Obama also had some excelent inteligence knowlege so he could stay step ahead of every GOP step in campaign.
But it is not over and it wont be for a while. The Homeland security is another mess that needs to be corrected.

i totaly agree with you on precentages of rotten apples. I would like to see some prison birds in the future, otherwise they will continue to fight for preservation of status quo

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Sbvor:

Jesus! Your arguments are now predictated on what "forecasts" were? Forecasts! Forecasts?

You really do need to get a real life or a day job.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Use part of the stimulus to CPI adjust PBGC paid pensions. With no inflation protection, these pensions become almost worthless with the passage of time, and the retirees are generally too old to start earning a new pension.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous john Lawrence said...

Dr. Reich:

Excellent post! Great facts! Stuff I didn't know! Yes, the 60 month limit on welfare needs to be lifted and welfare enhanced as well as all the other excellent suggestions.

Whew, Lauren, you go girl! Such passion and intelligence!

George Mattingly:

I agree with you and Lauren. Devoting 40% of the proposed bailout to tax cuts is highly suspicious. Is that going to include FICA tax cuts as well? If not, it will do nothing to help the self-employed poor who pay both employee's and employer's share (15% total)of FICA taxes without possibility of writeoffs. For example, I have more than enough writeoffs to reduce my Federal income taxes to zero, but I can't use the additional writeoffs that I have to reduce my FICA taxes by one penny. In other words I have more writeoffs than I could use but I still have to pay the full measure of FICA taxes and at the 15% rate at that. AND I'm collecting social security and still working!

It seems that Obama's stimulus package, at least what I've seen of it so far, does little to help the poorest among us and does little for job creation. I'll have to withhold judgment until it's been finalized, but I don't think middle class tax cuts are the way to go at least not now. I expected massive investments in job creating infrastructure, green energy and mass transportation as well as in the safety net as Dr. Reich suggests. It seems that instead there is an effort to save the system as presently constituted. Well, I'll wait and see ... and withhold judgment ...

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a couple of corrections about the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- SNAP, the Program Formerly Known as Food Stamps.

It is true that the average benefit per person is about $100.00. However, benefits (which are issued to households, not individuals) vary depending on the need of the household. A household whose income is close to the poverty line and has relatively low expenses will get a smaller benefit, whereas a household with no income or income far below the poverty line will receive a larger benefit, up to about $150 per person.

Also, in 2007 (which is the last year we have data for), about 40 percent of participants worked or lived in a household where someone worked. A number of other participants are aged or disabled. Only a small minority receive traditional "welfare". Of course, now, I would expect the number on unemployment to be much higher than in 2007.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

John:

I might be tempted, with further information, to suggest that perhaps your business structure is inappropriate. There are ways to reduce your FICA (Self-Employment tax) liability.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous BMW said...

R.R.

Here’s were we get the money for those economic bridge benefits for the poorest of poor you speak of –and even give a few bones out to those a few steps up the food chain.

America is now spending over $710 Billion dollars annually on its Military Might.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

China and Russia COMBINED only spend around $110 Billion. Folks were out spending our former enemies combined budgets by over $600 Billion annually! If this was 1965 I might think out spending China and Russia had some merits. And I’m sure were doing a good job outspending A.Q. –they can’t even afford uniforms.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending

Keep every Military person employed. Keep all benefits and family housing. No need to cut people or benefits –cut projects –reduce projects –put projects on hold -lots of room to cut in $710 Billion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

At what point should America care more about its military might then it cares about the health of its Social Security System?

And at what point does American’s expect our government to exercise the same financial prudence with our Social Security Taxes that they expect of GM and UAW workers????

During a working American’s life time you and your employer pay tons of taxes for social security. Not one penny was every set aside in any retirement fund reserve. The government is free to spend the money on any war or pet military project they wish.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
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Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Art,

Yes, a portion of my economic assessment is always predicated on the forecast provided by credible economists.

What do you prefer? The hysteria mongering of so-called “journalists”? A Ouija Board would be more credible than that.

One of the most fundamental problems with so-called “Liberals” is that they naïvely take as Gospel far too much of what is fed to them by so-called “journalists”. Often, as is partially the case with our present economic conditions, what the so-called “journalists” feed to the unquestioning masses can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Tuesday, 06 January, 2009  
Anonymous Elgog Partynipple said...

I have thought for years that the policy of giving money to the wealthy was robbing the median income of working people. Now it seems the cat is out of the bag. Wealthy people were spending the "Trickle Down" money among themselves on CDO's and other fictional investments. In the mean time, median income has been on a downward spiral for 20 years. Leaving the consumer out of the consumer based economy is a recipe for disaster. All the "Trickle Down" money has now evaporated and no benefit has been realized for the economy or the average worker. They were robbed of their life savings in scams and fraud. Now there is no income for them to spend when we need it most. Wealthy people should help return wealth to the economy not squirrel it away on fictional investments that evaporate the wealth of our country.

Wednesday, 07 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

This comment from Elgog Partynipple is more proof that the central theme of this blog is class warfare.

Karl Marx would be proud.

Wednesday, 07 January, 2009  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Sbvor:

I see you're in peabrain mode again.

No doubt we all look at economic forecasts as indicators of where we are headed. In addition, there are many viable and well educated/experienced journalists out there who are worth listening to.

Your explicit comment about economic forecasts turning negative because of a looming Far Left government is part of that mental syndrome you suffer from.

Forecasts are forecasts. When forecasting something as large as our GDP you have to make a huge number of assumptions, including holding a lot of things constant unless you have evidence to the contrary. Experienced minds do it better but in essence it is simply a guess, often employing a SWAG method. They are, net, nothing more than predictions of what will happen if this and that happen or don't change.

The initial GDP report for 12/2007 was anemic at best. We got a bump in the first quarter of 2008, possibly driven by all the talk about a stimulus package. We saw a return to decent growth in the the 2nd quarter of 2008 but as experts analyzed it they began to understand that much of it was due to the stimulus plus increased exports from a declining dollar.

By the 3rd quarter of 2008 it was apparent that the stimulus had not had the hoped for effect and the dollar was rising again which portended lower exports so many of the crystal balls began to look cloudy.

Any changes in forecasts due to a concern about a new democratic government would have been centered on only one thing. Many prognoticators, especially of your ilk, would have seen a democratic regime as reversing Dumbya's tax cuts and that would cause them to see gloom and doom. Most of the more reliable ones began to see the unemployment numbers and declining sales in key industries and began to realize that things didn't look good.

Even your conservative buddies realized that their candidate was going to face a likely loss just because the economic future looked grim.

If you read more of the posts on here, instead of searching for keywords, you would realize that there are some pretty bright people here that read a helluva lot more than the MSM reports.

I, as perhaps opposed to many here, have followed some of your links, in the past, and believe me, your sources are no more objective than any others. Ideological sunglasses can blur the vision of the best of us. To that you are no exception.

Wednesday, 07 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Art,

The FACT is that, prior to 10/8/08, the forecast from The Conference Board called for continued positive GDP growth throughout 2008 and 2009.

The FACT is that, by 10/8/08, the polls were pretty clearly showing that we were about to see the most Far Left Federal government since the disastrous days of FDR.

The FACT is that many economists, investors, business people, etc. factored this political catastrophe into their forecasting, business planning, etc.

Hang on tight! It’s going to be a very rough ride into the land of past failures and follies!

Thursday, 08 January, 2009  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Sbvor:

The Fact is that the Conference Board, seemingly your only reference point, while made up of knowledgable folks, blew it with their unemployment forecasts back at mid-year. Why would we give too much credence to their GDP forecasts?

Now if you argue that all these educated, qualified folks altered their forecasts and more specifically their business plans, you seem to be saying that they were doing so based on "feelings" of what was to come.

I seem to remember you arguing quite the opposite a ways back.

In either case your cause and effect skills have not improved.

The ride will be rough because we are already into the "land of past failures and follies" of the last thrity years.

Thursday, 08 January, 2009  
Blogger SBVOR said...

Art,

1) I am not surprised that you are unable to distinguish between feelings and quantitative analysis.

2) It is undeniable that Democrats are primarily to blame for the current economic woes. And, it should come as no surprise (to the well informed) why so many Americans are unaware of that undeniable fact.

3) Anybody who has studied "FDR’s Folly" knows that Obama, Reich, et al are plunging headlong into precisely the same folly. This folly is absolutely certain to make the Democrat caused economic conditions more severe and more prolonged (just as it did under FDR).

4) In your last sentence, are you seriously arguing that the government policies of the 1970’s were a good thing?

5) Those who are willfully blind will blame Bush for every failing of Obama. The usual propagandists will reinforce that myth. And, a majority of the breathtakingly naïve and gullible general public will probably fall for the propaganda.

I reiterate…
Hang on tight! It’s going to be a very rough ride into the land of past failures and follies!

Thursday, 08 January, 2009  
Blogger Art A Layman said...

Sbvor:

Well, let's see, we've now established that you are not an economist nor a historian, at least of any merit. There must be something you're good at. Do you cook? Break dance?

We know that had some of the policies of the 1970's been followed we might now be getting oil from your hallowed oil shale.

I am familiar with your 2) premise but again your cause and effect skills are worse than nonexistent.

Thursday, 08 January, 2009  
Anonymous Toronto real estate said...

Why you don't propose benefits and free food for everybody? World would be so nice! :)
You just say "every unemployed should have benefits", "there should be free food" - may I remind your federal budget has some 8%GDP disastrous deficit? And generous Obama hasn't hardly started yet.
I understand the situation of jobless people, but there are nos simple solutions...
Best wishes
Julie

Thursday, 15 January, 2009  
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Sunday, 18 January, 2009  
Anonymous Harry Stevens said...

FORGET HAViNG THE IRS OR OTHER AGENCIES TAKE TOO LONG AGAIN TO ISSUE ECONOMIC STIMULUS CHECKS. SIMPLY SEND US ALL (WHETHER RICH OR POOR) FOOD STAMPS. SINCE WE ALL HAVE TO EAT, AND WE (richer folks) CAN THEN (after we buy food) TAKE THE EQUIVALENT IN MONEY (TO THOSE food STAMPS/VOUCHERS/DEBIT-CARDS WE ALL GET) AND BUY OTHER STUFF (LIKE COMPACT FLUORESCENT LIGHT BULBS, SOLAR ROOFTOP PANELS AND/OR GM HYBRID CARS). HOW ABOUT THAT?

Perhaps the ready mechanism of food stamps, if issued this one time to us all, could be key to resolving this entire economic crisis.

Sunday, 18 January, 2009  
Blogger USpace said...

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Unemployment insurance should be modernized, and adjusted for inflation, every few years. That only makes sense. If in some state $500/week was considered an appropriate maximum 10 years ago, it can't be considered one today.

The current Unemployment system is in many ways a deterrent to work.

Any on-the-books part-time pay reduces the Unemployment insurance for a person.

For example: If a person was making $1,000/week before losing their job, and now on employment they will get $500/week, they are short $500/week. The 'mini economy' around them shrinks; they spend less in their regular stores, bills get paid late, and later.

If they find some on-the-books temp work and earn $400/week, now the state will only pay them $100. So why pick up a little job or two if you'll just end up with the same $500 per week. Sure, you in effect 'save' the insurance for later, but people tend to just hold off until a close-enough-money full-time job comes along. So, they often end up using up their benefits and then having to settle.

Allow people to pick up a less paying job or part-time jobs to supplement their Unemployment Pay. Allow them to earn let's say 90% of their previous highest income, before getting payed less by the state.

Only for 6-9 months will they get any unemployment money, so when that time is up then they might be left with at least one or more decent PT jobs, if they haven't been able to get a comparable full-time job.

Heck, just send every citizen over 18 years-old $2,000 per month, whether they're working or not, and no matter how much they earn.
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the harder you work
the luckier you'll get
- keep working at it

getting a job is a job
you WILL get another one
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Tuesday, 20 January, 2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) should be a "temporary" safety net, not a permanent solution. 60 months or 5 years is more than enough time for someone to find a job, and is well beyond "temporary" for many. More time receiving benefits isn't going to motivate someone to get a job. Many are in favor of temporary safety nets, but let's not abuse and take advantage of the people's good will for those who simply will not work for themselves.

As expected, you liberals are using the financial crisis as an excuse to expand entitlements well beyond what is necessary or healthy for our country. This is a time for our economy to mend itself, not a time to expand your faulty ideology.

Monday, 26 January, 2009  
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